The Trade To End All Trades (ORL/LAL/HOU)

[OrlChamps2030]

In the unfortunate event that we are forced to trade Dwight: What do you guys think of this trade (trade machine is kind of hard to use when you do S&T's, TPE's, etc.):

LAL sends:
Gasol
Bynum
Lamar Odom TPE (in separate trade with HOU for pick)

LAL receives:
Ryan Anderson (S&T)
Dwight Howard
HOU pick

HOU sends:
Lowry
Pick (to LA for TPE)
Future Pick

HOU receives:
Gasol
Lamar Odom TPE

ORL sends:
Dwight Howard
Ryan Anderson (S&T)

ORL recieves:
Lowry
Bynum
Future Houston Pick

Some filler contracts may have to be thrown in.

Houston may have to give up another piece to LAL or ORL, but it's a fair trade for all parties involved IMO.

A package of Lowry/Bynum isn't the deepest package, but they are the 2 best players on the trade market ATM, IMO. IJS. TBH. LOL.

With us getting back Lowry and Bynum we'd have room for a big 2013 FA. (not including resigning Bynum w/ his bird rights) And if we rehire Otis Smith as GM we could use his creative financing . JK, but seriously we'd be in a nice cap situation with a new GM/Coach.

If anyone else has some input about a package similar to the one posted above (Involving Lowry/Bynum) feel free to post it.

[Truth24]

No thanks I don't want apart of any trade that send us Bynum, although Lowry would be a interesting piece. I would rather go straight rebuild mode rather than trading for a joke like Andrew Bynum.

[MagicMan89]

I believe Lowry would be great here, but im not sure I want another player who wants to pick his coach.

[BaunceyChillups]

Nah

[TheMagicOne]

I just cant see the Magic trading Howard without trading Hedo. Also I do not think losing Howard and Anderson is worth Bynum, Lowry and a pick. Seems like we lose out on that deal big time, especially if we cannot count on resigning Bynum.

[Bensational]

Someone throw that trade into the pits of Mt Doom...

[OrlChamps2030]

No thanks I don't want apart of any trade that send us Bynum, although Lowry would be a interesting piece. I would rather go straight rebuild mode rather than trading for a joke like Andrew Bynum.

Ouch.

As someone who trolled the Lakers franchise endlessly during the Bynum vs Dwight debates of 3 years ago: a lot has changed since then.

A healthy Bynum has the best offensive arsenal of any big man in the league. And his personal problems/attitude/headcase reminds me a lot of another 7 footer who played for both the Lakers and Magic too...

[Nanogeek]

The Magic would just trading one problem for another. Bynum has the same problems Howard has: (1) no leadership abilities, (2) horrible teammate, (3) no character, and (4) last year of a contract.

[Truth24]

No thanks I don't want apart of any trade that send us Bynum, although Lowry would be a interesting piece. I would rather go straight rebuild mode rather than trading for a joke like Andrew Bynum.

Ouch.

As someone who trolled the Lakers franchise endlessly during the Bynum vs Dwight debates of 3 years ago: a lot has changed since then.

A healthy Bynum has the best offensive arsenal of any big man in the league. And his personal problems/attitude/headcase reminds me a lot of another 7 footer who played for both the Lakers and Magic too...

I agree a healthy Bynum is with out a doubt the best offensive center in the league in terms of back to the basket moves and just post moves in general. That would be a great replacement for Howard but I just don't like anything outside about Bynum outside of his offensive talent.

If you are not feeding Bynum he starts to take plays off and will start to make dumb plays on defense. I know here he would be getting fed a lot but he isn't a first option and doesn't take well to being double teamed. I mean when JaVale McGee basically gave it to Bynum this post season I knew that any trade for Bynum imo would be garbage.

I also understand trades like this because no franchise wants to start over, but sometimes it is better to completely start over instead of building a solid team with no chance of a ship. I know it would be rough for a few years but if we put in place the right management it could be a lot quicker then we think. I would love to see some young talent on this team, to watch them grow and develop but to do it right this team. It great to get the one franchise piece like we did in Howard but you have to build around that. We did horrible here with bad draft picks and horrible trades/contracts. Hopefully we don't have to trade Howard and he stays for the long haul but if he does go I want to see full rebuild mode.

[OrlChamps2030]

I agree with everything you just said.

But on Bynum taking plays off: he is VERY young, he has room to grow mentally.

And on Full Rebuild Vs Solid Team: This trade could work both ways.. Lock up Bynum and we have a solid team for years (with Lowry)..don't like Bynum let him walk and we still have Lowry locked up for a few years going into the much coveted 2013 Free Agency with a lot of cap available

[Truth24]

I can see what your saying I guess this would be an okay deal if we were to get one of houstons young power forwards. I wouldn't mind seeing Patrick Patterson, Donatas Montiejunas, or Marcus Morris on this team.

[rcklsscognition]

If I'm building a team in the new CBA landscape I want ~10 mil in my center position Max. Not wasting anymore than that when a defensive center is all I need, a 8 and 10 Guy. If we have to move Dwight, I'd want a much cheaper center and another impact player or a pick where we could draft a wing or zPg

[AdamTheGreek]

No way we're giving away Ryno while also not throwing away a crappy contract or two. Pass.

[OrlChamps2030]

No way we're giving away Ryno while also not throwing away a crappy contract or two. Pass.

Isn't "giving away" Ryno getting rid of a "crappy contract""?

Sorry Eyriq...I kid, I kid

[eyriq]

Where Bynum|Gasol|Kobe failed surely Bynum|Lowry will succeed. Not.

Simmons money scale time:

Orlando outgoing: Dwight $2.00, Anderson 35¢ = $2.35/2

Lakers outgoing: Gasol $1.00 paper, Bynum $1.00 paper (You don't trade a TPE, you use it to absorb a contract) = $2.00/2

Houston outgoing: Lowry 50¢, #14 pick 25¢, future pick 25¢ = $1.00/3

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Orlando incoming: Bynum $1.00, Lowry 50¢, future Houston 25¢ = $1.75/3

Lakers incoming: Dwight $2.00, Anderson 35¢, #14 pick 25¢ = $2.60/3

Houston incoming: Gasol $1.00 =$1.00/1

Conclusion: Orlando spends $2.35 to get $1.75, LA wins the trade big, and Houston upgrades. Makes sense.

[OrlChamps2030]

Where Bynum|Gasol|Kobe failed surely Bynum|Lowry will succeed. Not.

Simmons money scale time:

Orlando outgoing: Dwight $2.00, Anderson 35¢ = $2.35/2

Lakers outgoing: Gasol $1.00 paper, Bynum $1.00 paper (You don't trade a TPE, you use it to absorb a contract) = $2.00/2

Houston outgoing: Lowry 50¢, #14 pick 25¢, future pick 25¢ = $1.00/3

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Orlando incoming: Bynum $1.00, Lowry 50¢, future Houston 25¢ = $1.75/3

Lakers incoming: Dwight $2.00, Anderson 35¢, #14 pick 25¢ = $2.60/3

Houston incoming: Gasol $1.00 =$1.00/1

Conclusion: Orlando spends $2.35 to get $1.75. Makes sense.

Dude... WHAT? Did you just watch Borat and threw in the NOT to make me laugh?

Kobe/Gasol/Bynum won the championship in 2010, .

Obviously these past 2 years it hasnt worked..bad matchups..new coach..etc

Gasol needs a change of scenery. I do not think that their past 2 playoff runs being short is due to a lack of talent from their Big 3, moreso just a bad fit with the new Coach.

Maybe you could fill me in, but I don't understand how comparing Kobe/Gasol/Bynum to Lowry/2013FA/Bynum is really even relevant unless you're saying Lowry would be our Kobe. Completely irrelevant, baseless, and a completely different situation. Come on dude, I've seen you make much better arguments then that.

Lakers could use TPE to absorb Scola or Martin.

And to Bill Simmons $ trade system:

Does that $2.00 Dwight pricetag take into account his decreased trade value? If not, 2.35:1.75 seems like a fair exchange.

[OrlChamps2030]

My response to deeming a trio that won a ring together as a failure:



Underachieved would have been a MUCH better word. Because if the Lakers run is a failure, our whole Franchise is a failure. Like, past failure. Beyond failure.

[eyriq]

Dude... WHAT? Did you just watch Borat and threw in the NOT to make me laugh?

Kobe/Gasol/Bynum won the championship in 2010, .

Obviously these past 2 years it hasnt worked..bad matchups..new coach..etc

Gasol needs a change of scenery. I do not think that their past 2 playoff runs being short is due to a lack of talent from their Big 3, moreso just a bad fit with the new Coach.

Maybe you could fill me in, but I don't understand how comparing Kobe/Gasol/Bynum to Lowry/2013FA/Bynum is really even relevant unless you're saying Lowry would be our Kobe. Come on dude, I've seen you make much better arguments then that.

Lakers could use TPE to absorb Scola or Martin.

And to Bill Simmons $ trade system:

Does that $2.00 Dwight pricetag take into account his decreased trade value? If not, 2.35:1.75 seems like a fair exchange.

Kobe was the best player on those championship teams while Bynum wasn't a core piece yet, getting inconsistent minutes and battling injury. It was the Kobe|Gasol show with great support from Odom and Ariza|Peace. The Kobe|Gasol|Bynum core doesn't have a very good track record you could say.

Which brings us to Bynum. He is not a sure thing as a "Best player on a champion" type guy, so if you are replacing Dwight with him you need a lot more value back than Lowry. Trading Dwight in your scenario does nothing to address adding a 3rd core piece, which any trade of Dwight would need to do by either moving Hedo or keeping Anderson while bringing in two stars to replace Dwight. In this scenario we neither trade Hedo or keep Anderson, and we are left with pretty much the same calculus for adding a 3rd core guy but with our 2 core guys being of far less overall talent.

[OrlChamps2030]

Dude... WHAT? Did you just watch Borat and threw in the NOT to make me laugh?

Kobe/Gasol/Bynum won the championship in 2010, .

Obviously these past 2 years it hasnt worked..bad matchups..new coach..etc

Gasol needs a change of scenery. I do not think that their past 2 playoff runs being short is due to a lack of talent from their Big 3, moreso just a bad fit with the new Coach.

Maybe you could fill me in, but I don't understand how comparing Kobe/Gasol/Bynum to Lowry/2013FA/Bynum is really even relevant unless you're saying Lowry would be our Kobe. Come on dude, I've seen you make much better arguments then that.

Lakers could use TPE to absorb Scola or Martin.

And to Bill Simmons $ trade system:

Does that $2.00 Dwight pricetag take into account his decreased trade value? If not, 2.35:1.75 seems like a fair exchange.

Kobe was the best player on those championship teams while Bynum wasn't a core piece yet, getting inconsistent minutes and battling injury. It was the Kobe|Gasol show with great support from Odom and Ariza|Peace. The Kobe|Gasol|Bynum core doesn't have a very good track record you could say.

Which brings us to Bynum. He is not a sure thing as a "Best player on a champion" type guy, so if you are replacing Dwight with him you need a lot more value back than Lowry. Trading Dwight in your scenario does nothing to address adding a 3rd core piece, which any trade of Dwight would need to do by either moving Hedo or keeping Anderson while bringing in two stars to replace Dwight. In this scenario we neither trade Hedo or keep Anderson, and we are left with pretty much the same calculus for adding a 3rd core guy but with our 2 core guys being of far less overall talent.

Kobe/Gasol/Bynum not fitting or fitting really doesn't have anything to do with Lowry/2013FA/Bynum. If you cannot see the difference between the two situations, sorry but I think you're just trolling me.

To your no 3rd piece: Lowry is on a smaller contract then Ryan will get.. We will have money to spend in 2013, even with we were to hypothetically resign Bynum.

I would be shocked if there was a trade package out there that would net us a single player better than Bynum or Lowry, let alone both.

And sorry to break it to ya, both Lowry and Bynum run circles around Ryno in terms of talent as a "core guy".

[bigdogdylan5]

I think this is by far the best haul and fair deal we can get for Howard i think Houston will do this and if we send like our pick plus a pick from houston the lakers will do it too then we will have so much money to throw at Harden if OKC matches we turn around and go after two of Ellis/Iggy/Smith thats assuming we dont resign Nelson or Anderson maybe Anderson could be S%T to sweeten the pot for LA instead of Scola no way to do that on trade machine though
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