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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg. Season"Ed.)

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Post#136 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:09 pm by Def Swami

Zmill wrote:Let me guess, you're one of those guys who called each RFA signing this offseason over paid (Curry, Holiday, Batum, Harden, etc. the list goes on).

Any RFA pg/wing with all-star upside is going to get 10+ mill in the new CBA. Any RFA big man with all-star upside is going to get the max. If you want talent, you have to pay for it. I think Evans will probably get 4 years 10-12 mill per (maybe a bit more even depends on what the number is though), and I would probably be down with that contract. I don't understand how fans want to build through the draft yet call every RFA signing overpaid. Kind of contradictory.

Oh and BTW this post was not directed to any single user in particular moreso just the group of users that literally called every RFA signing this summer overpaid.

I didn't have too much of a problem with the guys who got their deals over the summer. But, I would not pay Evans $10 mill+. That to me seems pretty risky considering he has shown steady decline in his game since his rookie year and absolutely no improvement shooting the ball. I don't mind taking a risk on Evans, but I wouldn't jeopardize the future or put all our eggs in Tyreke's basket because I don't think he can live up the caliber of guys who got their deals last year.
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Post#137 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:13 pm by BadMofoPimp

Same thing when the Pistons re-signed Stuckey to $8.5 mil for 3 years. Fortunately, it was only 3 years. At the time, he was the Point Guard that was more like a SG with no outside shot who took the ball to the hoop all the time. Ends up he is not effective as a SG and not a great facilitator to play PG as a Starter. But, he plays good defense at 6'5" and can score. So, now the Pistons have a $8.5 mil backup PG/SG. Sounds like Tyreke to me.
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Post#138 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:31 pm by Nyce_1

Bensational wrote:I'd be very welcome to giving Tyreke a shot. He may very well just need a new start and a new voice in JV.

The kid had raw skills, but he really hasn't been developed well at all. I don't understand how, since he's not a troublemaker. He could actually benefit from playing with JJ, IMO.


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Post#139 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:45 pm by Last Guardian

Can we end this trade Redick talk? It may very well happen but it is too depressing to think about. He should be Magic for life.
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Post#140 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:50 pm by RookieStar

Nyce_1 wrote:
Bensational wrote:I'd be very welcome to giving Tyreke a shot. He may very well just need a new start and a new voice in JV.

The kid had raw skills, but he really hasn't been developed well at all. I don't understand how, since he's not a troublemaker. He could actually benefit from playing with JJ, IMO.





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Post#141 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 5:56 pm by msmoore66

Last Guardian wrote:Can we end this trade Redick talk? It may very well happen but it is too depressing to think about. He should be Magic for life.


Agreed wholeheartedly.
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Post#142 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:01 pm by Zmill

Nyce_1 wrote:
Bensational wrote:I'd be very welcome to giving Tyreke a shot. He may very well just need a new start and a new voice in JV.

The kid had raw skills, but he really hasn't been developed well at all. I don't understand how, since he's not a troublemaker. He could actually benefit from playing with JJ, IMO.




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Post#143 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:19 pm by _DudeItsMagic_

John Hollinger just got hired by the Grizzlies for a front office position!
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Post#144 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX"Reg
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:25 pm by MagicTownBaller

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Post#145 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:25 pm by Cigamodnalro

_DudeItsMagic_ wrote:John Hollinger just got hired by the Grizzlies for a front office position!


Holy ****! Wish we could have brought him in. NBA is becoming more and more about the advanced statistics every day.
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Post#146 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:11 pm by Ballah

We need Nate Silver up in here.
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Post#147 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:12 pm by The Real Dalic

RookieStar wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
Bensational wrote:I'd be very welcome to giving Tyreke a shot. He may very well just need a new start and a new voice in JV.

The kid had raw skills, but he really hasn't been developed well at all. I don't understand how, since he's not a troublemaker. He could actually benefit from playing with JJ, IMO.





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Post#148 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:03 pm by Big Boss

Cigamodnalro wrote:
_DudeItsMagic_ wrote:John Hollinger just got hired by the Grizzlies for a front office position!


Holy ****! Wish we could have brought him in. NBA is becoming more and more about the advanced statistics every day.

Don't need him when Hennigan himself is a moneyball kind of GM
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Post#149 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:06 pm by KingRobb02

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Cigamodnalro wrote:
_DudeItsMagic_ wrote:John Hollinger just got hired by the Grizzlies for a front office position!


Holy ****! Wish we could have brought him in. NBA is becoming more and more about the advanced statistics every day.

Don't need him when Hennigan himself is a moneyball kind of GM

...as if having more smart guys around would have been a bad thing.
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Post#150 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:43 am by MagicFan32

I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him
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Post#151 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:45 am by tiderulz

Last Guardian wrote:Can we end this trade Redick talk? It may very well happen but it is too depressing to think about. He should be Magic for life.


what is it with JJ and some of you. Career 9 ppg player. turned himself into a good role player, not a star but a role player, doesnt defend well, is a great shooter and now good passer. And he should be "Magic for life"?

Is it because he is a good looking, white player that people look at and say, with another 3-4 inches that could be me? I just dont get it. I dont hate on the kid, but i just dont get it.
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Post#152 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:45 am by tiderulz

MagicFan32 wrote:I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him


a rookie head coach would be great for a head case player? Not so sure on that.
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Post#153 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:55 am by pogiro

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him


a rookie head coach would be great for a head case player? Not so sure on that.


Honest question. How is Tyreke Evans a head case player? I've never really heard anything specific going on with him, just a lot of people labeling him that way. He's one of the guys I wanted when Dwight was still here.
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Post#154 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:54 am by Cigamodnalro

pogiro wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan32 wrote:I would go all in for Tyreke, Sacramento is a HORRIBLE situation, the owners don't care about the team, they have no money and will be moved most likely. he needs a change, JV would be a great coach for him


a rookie head coach would be great for a head case player? Not so sure on that.


Honest question. How is Tyreke Evans a head case player? I've never really heard anything specific going on with him, just a lot of people labeling him that way. He's one of the guys I wanted when Dwight was still here.


I'm not sure he's a headcase, so much as he's just a kid. There is more out there than the driving incident though. He and Paul Westphal clashed repeatedly and nearly attacked each other on several occasions, most famously after a loss to the Jazz a while back. You'd have to dig a bit, but I'm sure there's stuff out there on it. In fairness, Tyreke has never really had a role defined, and criticized that publicly on multiple occasions. Westphal was terrible in that regard (Note that JV is not exactly the best at defining player roles himself). I don't think Tyreke is dangerous at all, and the riskiest part of bringing him in is what he does on the court, not off of it. He's been in the league for a while now, and his jump shot is still very far from where it needs to be for him to deserve the sort of contract he's going to be looking for next summer.
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Post#155 Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLIX&quo
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:09 am by trebone

He is not overly athletic, (Evans) and has rapidly declined since his rookie season, there is a chance he could return to that but unlikely after a few sub par seasons, at this point it is more realistic to see him as Beasley than Harden in terms of production. I actually liked the Stuckey reference because that is the type of player he is and you cant just take a chance at 10-12 million per especially on a rebuilding team such as ourselves for the HOPE that he regains it. A deal like that could set us back another 4 years of suckness.
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