Welcome to Orlando #12 PG Elfrid Payton

Post #41 » by **SOUL** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:50 am

i honestly dont care about 2nd round picks when we have a **** of young players already

dsg2021 · Post #42 » by **dsg2021** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 2:53 am

Super happy with these two!

The Payton trade shocked me a little. Saric seemed like a great down the road asset, then the Magic flipped him with two picks. One pick is a 2nd though. The other, the Philly pick the Magic own is returning to Philly, and it was pretty well protected so not a huge loss (top 11/8/two 2nds).
I loved it though, it shows the faith and high the Magic have in Payton. He is our starting PG (Jameer as Captain/Mentor) and it feels eerily similar to MCW's 11th selection turning out to be huge in the end. And there is so much upside potential so it can all shine even bigger for the 20 yr old a couple seasons or so down the road too.

Here is a good quotable analysis excerpt from ESPN Insider/Ford,
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/re ... rid-payton

"May 23 Update: The most impressive workout I've seen this draft season came from Payton on Thursday. He has the least exposure of any of the prospects here -- but has as much or more talent as anyone on the floor.

Payton had a big year, averaging 19.2 points, 5.9 assists, 2.3 steals and an incredible 8.9 free throws per game -- good for second in the country. Very few players possess his combination of size, quickness, defensive toughness and ability to get to the rim. I've had more than one NBA scout compare him to a young Gary Payton, and I think the comparison is a really good one.

The biggest knock on Payton has been his shooting. He shot just 26 percent from 3-point range this season on 14-for-54 shooting and just 24 percent from 2-point jumpers. He's been working on his jump shot since arriving in L.A. in early April and it looks much better. He was hitting NBA 3s with ease in the workout and his shooting mechanics look much more consistent. His shot isn't broken, though he'll obviously have to show he can hit these in game settings.

To that end, Payton participated in very competitive 3-on-3 sessions and was not only getting to the rim at will, he was hitting those shots in the context of live action. Payton is a "lights-on" player whose intensity quickens when in actual live settings. He was dominant on both ends in workouts, exploding to the hole, finishing above the rim and playing stifling defense. On multiple occasions he blocked James Young's shot -- the same James Young that measured with a 7-foot wingspan at the combine last week.

After Marcus Smart, I'm not sure there's a better floor leader and defender in the draft than Payton. His quickness and ability to get to the rim are special and may actually make him a better long-term prospect than Smart. And he just turned 20 in February, making him a year younger than most juniors.

While he's currently projected by ESPN.com as a mid-first-round pick, I believe he deserves to get a close look in the lottery from the Lakers, Kings, Hornets and Magic. After seeing both Payton and Tyler Ennis live, I like both, but I think Payton has more long-term potential because of his quickness and defensive abilities. The Kings especially seem like a good fit -- especially if Smart is off the board. Payton provides size, defense, a pure point guard mentality, high character -- all the things they are looking for in a point."

bigdogdylan5 · Post #43 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:14 am

Max Power wrote:Congrats fellow Magic fans, we'll have a team of dunkers with our best shooter being our starting center. Not a good look. Who's the proposed top pick next year? I can probably live with Gordon, but this Payton has Jeryll Sasser written all over him.

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Cry more bro

KillMonger · Post #44 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:17 am

Max Power wrote:Congrats fellow Magic fans, we'll have a team of dunkers with our best shooter being our starting center. Not a good look. Who's the proposed top pick next year? I can probably live with Gordon, but this Payton has Jeryll Sasser written all over him.

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arkknight1988 · Post #45 » by **arkknight1988** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:18 am

Hilltop wrote:I'm putting my faith in Hennigan here but man, that offense will be equal parts exciting and ugly. Maybe more of the latter. That team will be running a lot and putting together some nice highlights but not having a single guy who can shoot is bad news.

Fournier can shoot, he will play a bunch of minutes to space the floor for dipo/Payton

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Post #46 » by **Hilltop** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:25 am

arkknight1988 wrote:
Hilltop wrote:I'm putting my faith in Hennigan here but man, that offense will be equal parts exciting and ugly. Maybe more of the latter. That team will be running a lot and putting together some nice highlights but not having a single guy who can shoot is bad news.

Fournier can shoot, he will play a bunch of minutes to space the floor for dipo/Payton

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Ah yeah, I forgot Fournier.

TBH, I do expect improvements in Oladipo's shooting and overall efficiency next season. If he can hover around 43-44% FG I'll be happy. Payton and Gordon will probably have a rough start.

AdamTheGreek · Post #47 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:38 am

Great interview with Elfrid Payton. He like Gordon is super excited to be coming here. He and Aaron really like each other:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkFmcmDVPPU[/youtube]

Post #48 » by **SD2042** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:39 am

I'll admit that I wasn't expecting Payton to be the PG Henny would pick. Henny has a solid track record so far with these trades. If Payton is expected to be the difference make at the PG position. I can only hope and pray this guy has the skills and the determination to do well in the NBA.

RookieStar · Post #49 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:28 am

MoMM wrote:I think we overpaid for Payton (Saric + 1st in 2017 + 2nd in 2015), but I hope i will be wrong.

Are you sure this is the trade? That is a lot....

bigpimpatl · Post #50 » by **bigpimpatl** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:33 am

RookieStar wrote:
MoMM wrote:I think we overpaid for Payton (Saric + 1st in 2017 + 2nd in 2015), but I hope i will be wrong.

Are you sure this is the trade? That is a lot....

yes that is the trade. Let that sink in. To pick the guy two spots higher, we gave up a future 1st (which, as of now, had a good chance of being ours), and a 2nd round pick (no protections) from 2015.

Post #51 » by **Def Swami** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:33 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/479019408572956672[/tweet]

JF5 · Post #52 » by **JF5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:35 am

Big Boss wrote:
Max Power wrote:Congrats fellow Magic fans, we'll have a team of dunkers with our best shooter being our starting center. Not a good look. Who's the proposed top pick next year? I can probably live with Gordon, but this Payton has Jeryll Sasser written all over him.

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LMAO, love that GIF

I honestly am not too fearful of the offense. You got guys that can score that basketball. Its about finding cohesion which it looks like what this team has at all of their positions at this point.

JF5 · Post #53 » by **JF5** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:36 am

RookieStar wrote:
MoMM wrote:I think we overpaid for Payton (Saric + 1st in 2017 + 2nd in 2015), but I hope i will be wrong.

Are you sure this is the trade? That is a lot....

The 2017 Pick is top 10 protected I believe

RookieStar · Post #54 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:44 am

JF5 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
MoMM wrote:I think we overpaid for Payton (Saric + 1st in 2017 + 2nd in 2015), but I hope i will be wrong.

Are you sure this is the trade? That is a lot....

The 2017 Pick is top 10 protected I believe

Isn't the 2017 pick originally theirs?

Anyhoo... finally we got the tallish PG we all have been dreaming about. Hope he's not a Sassinator/Gaines type player.

RookieStar · Post #55 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:46 am

Def Swami wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Dame_Lillard/status/479019408572956672[/tweet]

Come to ORL Damien!!! So you can play with PAyton

magicman123 · Post #56 » by **magicman123** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:49 am

RookieStar wrote:
JF5 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Are you sure this is the trade? That is a lot....

The 2017 Pick is top 10 protected I believe

Isn't the 2017 pick originally theirs?

Anyhoo... finally we got the tallish PG we all have been dreaming about. Hope he's not a Sassinator/Gaines type player.

Yes we gave it back, which could of been a 2nd rd pick if I'm not mistaken, if he ends up being a starting PG it's well worth it

magic22s · Post #57 » by **magic22s** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:49 am

I like Elfrid Payton but I feel Philly robs us with its 1st rounder back.

IMO it's redemption from Howard-Bynum trades that we paid off.

Nyce_1 · Post #58 » by **Nyce_1** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:56 am

Kid can do everything....but shoot. I usually think most players can improve their shot, but wow, he needs some serious work. Hope he's willing work.

Payton/Oladipo/Fournier is a high-potential guard rotation. wow.

RookieStar · Post #59 » by **RookieStar** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:59 am

Nyce_1 wrote:Kid can do everything....but shoot. I usually think most players can improve their shot, but wow, he needs some serious work. Hope he's willing work.

Payton/Oladipo/Fournier is a high-potential guard rotation. wow.

Hmmmmm...

Reverse_Angle · Post #60 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:01 am

My fav #12 prospect, but the price appears to be steep. I think he is going to be here long term.