2016 Official Speculation Thread 3

MagicFinsNoles1 · Post #1901 » by **MagicFinsNoles1** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:49 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Soooo Mavs supposedly have a meeting with Batum tomorrow. Along with Whiteside and Conley.

Cuban is still bitter about losing out on DJ...not to mention he's got a few years left to win with Dirk before it's full rebuild mode.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1902 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:49 pm

Fournier is no $22 million dollar player guys and if someone wants to pay him that I say let them.

arkknight1988 · Post #1903 » by **arkknight1988** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:49 pm

ZeusIsLoose wrote:I think Eric Gordon might be brought in to start and Evan stays at the 3. A Gordon off the bench at the 4 and log 30+ min at both the 3 and the 4

I don't like Evan at the 3 at all

Bigmagicfan82 · Post #1904 » by **Bigmagicfan82** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:49 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:With news that we aren't going after Conley it signals Elf is our starter. The Meeks trade and Crawford rumors must mean Evan or Mario will be starting at the 2 spot. With Ibaka at 4 and Vuc at 5 that leaves SF as our main question mark.

Can Gordon step in and start at sf or do we decide to throw big money at parsons, batum, barns and let Gordon play 30 minutes of the bench in both forward spots? I bet we sign a SF to start until Gordon is ready to take on that role in a year or two

My mom always said "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see" and that goes double for this time of year. Most of what you are hearing is BS and conjecture. The information is being leaked by someone with an agenda. Unless you hear that a deal has been reached don't believe it.

PennytoShaq · Post #1905 » by **PennytoShaq** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:50 pm

Eric gordon would allow us to start Aaron Gordon at 3, since he can drain 3's at an impressive rate. If the rumor is real of course.

Jameerthefear · Post #1906 » by **Jameerthefear** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:51 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Fournier is no $22 million dollar player guys and if someone wants to pay him that I say let them.

In this market he is.

Optimus_Steel · Post #1907 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:52 pm

Why do u guys put so much stock in Twitter rumors? The people that release info ussually have an agenda for releasing it.

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Orlwillbeback · Post #1908 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:52 pm

We may end up matching him but I think it would only be after seeking out other options first.

Like what Houston did by signing Trevor Ariza after Parsons signed that bloated offer sheet with Cuban.

Ariza at 8 million> Parsons at 15 million

OrlandO · Post #1909 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:53 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:
OrlandO wrote:We're not letting Fournier go after getting rid of dipo... he's too efficient and brings two skills we need - finishing and threes.

Yea but we can go out and get guys who bring a very similar skill set as Fournier for about half the cost.

That's smart if you ask me.

Who will we get to start at SG that would be as efficient from range and at the cup? Crawford or EG make us weaker...

OrlandO · Post #1910 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:54 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:We may end up matching him but I think it would only be after seeking out other options first.

Like what Houston did by signing Trevor Ariza after Parsons signed that bloated offer sheet with Cuban.

Ariza at 8 million> Parsons at 15 million

Only reason people soured so much on Parsons is due to injuries.

PennytoShaq · Post #1911 » by **PennytoShaq** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:58 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:We may end up matching him but I think it would only be after seeking out other options first.

Like what Houston did by signing Trevor Ariza after Parsons signed that bloated offer sheet with Cuban.

Ariza at 8 million> Parsons at 15 million

Wow, no. Parsons is a much better player than Ariza. The injury is what got him but when he is healthy, he was putting up 19 PPG for Dallas. Most Mavs fans would rather keep him they sign Conley. Just go read their blogs.

Parsons is so underrated here, yet people still mourn the loss of Tobias Harris. I don't get it.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #1912 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:58 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:
OrlandO wrote:We're not letting Fournier go after getting rid of dipo... he's too efficient and brings two skills we need - finishing and threes.

Yea but we can go out and get guys who bring a very similar skill set as Fournier for about half the cost.

That's smart if you ask me.

Please give a list of players that provide the same things for half the price. I'm very intrigued.

Orlando_Pride · Post #1913 » by **Orlando_Pride** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:02 pm

How awesome would it be for Clippers to trade Redick back to us. I would give a first and LAs first. Contract comes off the books next summer to resign everyone. Plus wouldn't need Fournier anymore and his crazy contract.

tiderulz · Post #1914 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:03 pm

Nightman wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
OTownHoopstar23 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16618861/trade-grades-detroit-pistons-orlando-magic-trade-jodie-meeks-nba (Requires ESPN Insider)

Pistons get B

Magic get B-

Somehow we lost a trade where we didn't give up anything.

"Orlando Magic: B-

Assuming the Magic didn't give up anything of real value, Meeks is a reasonable use of part of their $40-plus million in cap space. After dealing for Serge Ibaka, Orlando could no longer afford to max out two players while retaining Evan Fournier and was unlikely to get two such free agents. As such, the Magic probably would have been looking at using the money to fill out the bench anyway.

Given the thin market for shooting guards, I think it's possible that similar free agents such as Alan Anderson -- coming off his own season lost to injury -- could get as much money as Meeks along with multi-year commitments.

There's even some chance that Meeks could bounce back and prove a real value. He signed this contract two summers ago, when $6 million a year was still a lot for a reserve and earned it by shooting 40 percent from 3-point range as a member of the L.A. Lakers. Meeks hasn't been able to sustain that kind of accuracy -- his 3-point percentage dipped to 35 percent in 2014-15 -- but when he does, he's a quality backup or fringe starter.

Nonetheless, my big picture takeaway here remains how little value Orlando got in dealing Tobias Harris to the Pistons before the trade deadline. The Magic got only expiring contracts in return, while players with equivalent trade value, such as Thaddeus Young, have fetched first-round picks in the past week.

The idea of dealing Harris was to create more cap space, but Orlando has now used more than a third of that room on a journeyman shooting guard. So much for the dream of signing two max free agents."

except we did give up a pick. a 2nd, not an immense loss, but we did give up something

Isn't the pick pretty much gurenteed to be at the end of the 2nd round? Doesn't really carry any value, we just had to give up something for the trade.

doesnt matter. You help a rival, take a player and give them more cap space to go after someone like Horford, you should be compensated, not pay a pick to help them. If it was us giving a late second for Meeks and next years 1st, i would have zero problem with this.

Orlwillbeback · Post #1915 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:06 pm

Fournier and Parsons are obviously the better players but if you can get 80% of the player for 1/2 the cost you should do it because it's the smart business decision.

Fournier is a 14-15 PER player

Gordon is a 13.5 PER player.

If Fournier costs 22m a year and Gordon costs you 8-10 id take Gordon.

tiderulz · Post #1916 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:06 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:The Eric Gordon and Jamal Crawford talk make sense because they will cost a fraction of what it will cost to keep Fournier and they aren't that different as players.

one is 36 and about to run on fumes. The other is an undersized SG that hasnt been healthy in years.

Fournier has no health issues and was one of the best 3 pt shooters last year.

tiderulz · Post #1917 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:09 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Fournier and Parsons are obviously the better players but if you can get 80% of the player for 1/2 the cost you should do it because it's the smart business decision.

Fournier is a 14-15 PER player

Gordon is a 13.5 PER player.

If Fournier costs 22m a year and Gordon costs you 8-10 id take Gordon.

except Fournier can play time at SF. Gordon is undersized at SG to begin with and now less athletic after all his injuries.

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #1918 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:10 pm

Orlwillbeback wrote:Fournier and Parsons are obviously the better players but if you can get 80% of the player for 1/2 the cost you should do it because it's the smart business decision.

Fournier is a 14-15 PER player

Gordon is a 13.5 PER player.

If Fournier costs 22m a year and Gordon costs you 8-10 id take Gordon.

You are insane if you think Gordon will get anything less than maybe a mill or two, compared to whatever deal Fournier gets. They will end up with very similar deals.

PennytoShaq · Post #1919 » by **PennytoShaq** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:11 pm

Fournier is a 6'7 SG who is young, drains 3s and knows how to finish at the rim. That is exactly what we need at SG, plus we have an up and comer in Mario backing him up who could be even better and facilitate a trade in a year to two.

We need a 6'9 or 6'10 SF who can shoot the 3 and a PG who can do the same and we are looking good.

magicfan217 · Post #1920 » by **magicfan217** » Thu Jun 30, 2016 6:11 pm

I just can't get Fournier selfishly chucking all year out of my head. I actually really liked Evan 2 years ago...

My hope is that if we sign him back, he's actually more like the player we had two years ago.

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