Magic reach agreement with DJ Augustin

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I hated the trade but let's not forget the most important part of the trade:

The magic traded Tobias' minutes and are using it mostly on AG and Mario.

yeah. also, i cant say that for sure as i'm not in the FO, but Henningan probably was forced to make the Tobias trade by Skiles. still, it was a bummer to sell low on him

[Viper1500]

More has to come..


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[ralphie9898]

Liking the shooting depth we are adding. I wonder if CJ would be appealing to a team via teade? I dont see a need for Elf CJ and DJ.

yeah but If we go with him we lose the defense and athleticism that Payton provides. Is he any better than Jennings? I would say Jennings is a little better so not sure he adds that much shooting wise. Meeks adds shooting but how much playing time will he get as I think he will be behind Fournier and Hezonja. I am ok with this deal but it doesn't move the needle for me.

[LBPTarHeel27]

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Love when people over simplify a situation. You really get to see who the ignorant people in this world are.

How is that simplifying the situation, everyone claimed that the move of trading Harris was done to give us cap space, now that Hennigan has wasted that cap space on scrub players, this board once again jumps in to defend his horrible moves with bull responses.

I'm sorry but Augustin and Meeks are nowhere near worth Tobias, and that's all we got out of that trade

The only people upset are the ones that expected it to be spent on 2nd/3rd tier players who are making max money. Those same people tend to ignore the fact that the move was also, in large part, to give Mario & AG more burn and room to develop. If we have Harris, Ibaka, and Vuc on the team...those guys never see the floor. Especially Mario. Harris did nothing for this team...he was a ball stopped that slowed team growth. Is he talented? Very. He just was not a part of this team's future. I do think we could have gotten more but I don't think the trade was 100% Henny...considering the return, it sure looked a lot like a Martins/Skiles type of deal. That last bit is pure speculation but it is also logical.

[Skin]

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/748902137027964929[/tweet]

Love when people over simplify a situation. You really get to see who the ignorant people in this world are.

How is that simplifying the situation, everyone claimed that the move of trading Harris was done to give us cap space, now that Hennigan has wasted that cap space on scrub players, this board once again jumps in to defend his horrible moves with bull responses.

I'm sorry but Augustin and Meeks are nowhere near worth Tobias, and that's all we got out of that trade

Just because we had $40M in cap space doesn't mean we traded Tobias for Augustin and Meeks. We needed to make those kind of moves regardless of trading Tobias. The real point of trading Tobias was to balance out the roster, get guys to theoretically make a playoff push (with expiring contracts) and then be able to afford keeping Fournier.

The real fact of the matter is the Magic didn't have to sign Tobias in the first place based on what they ended up getting in the trade, but at least it was a reset and we didn't shoot ourselves in the foot by acquiring bad contracts. If they really wanted to be smart they would've either traded him at the deadline in 2015 or trade him on draft day 2016 to get a late 1st round pick.

[Jameerthefear]

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Love when people over simplify a situation. You really get to see who the ignorant people in this world are.

How is that simplifying the situation, everyone claimed that the move of trading Harris was done to give us cap space, now that Hennigan has wasted that cap space on scrub players, this board once again jumps in to defend his horrible moves with bull responses.

I'm sorry but Augustin and Meeks are nowhere near worth Tobias, and that's all we got out of that trade

The only people upset are the ones that expected it to be spent on 2nd/3rd tier players who are making max money. Those same people tend to ignore the fact that the move was also, in large part, to give Mario & AG more burn and room to develop. If we have Harris, Ibaka, and Vuc on the team...those guys never see the floor. Especially Mario. Harris did nothing for this team...he was a ball stopped that slowed team growth. Is he talented? Very. He just was not a part of this team's future. I do think we could have gotten more but I don't think the trade was 100% Henny...considering the return, it sure looked a lot like a Martins/Skiles type of deal. That last bit is pure speculation but it is also logical.

If you think Harris didn't fit in the future for this team, that's completely fine. But that contract was easily movable in this cap environment. Mozgov just got more guaranteed money than Harris. We let go of an asset for nothing.

[djhunkyherbs]

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[tweet]https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/748902137027964929[/tweet]

Love when people over simplify a situation. You really get to see who the ignorant people in this world are.

How is that simplifying the situation, everyone claimed that the move of trading Harris was done to give us cap space, now that Hennigan has wasted that cap space on scrub players, this board once again jumps in to defend his horrible moves with bull responses.

I'm sorry but Augustin and Meeks are nowhere near worth Tobias, and that's all we got out of that trade

It's oversimplifying for a few reasons.

1. The offseason is still less than 12 hours old. The Magic still have a lot of cap space and the potential to make moves, so we shouldn't be looking at the trade as Tobias for Meeks and Augustin.

2. It's not like the cap flexibility that the Magic got from the Harris deal had to be used immediately this offseason. Harris is signed for the next 3 years in Detroit, so his being gone gives the Magic more cap room this offseason, the next one, and the one after. This is important especially if the Magic want to re-sign Ibaka after this year.

3. Harris being gone allows more of an opportunity for Gordon and Hezonja to flourish. Let's hope they can use the opportunity to become the stars we want them to be.

If anyone is looking at the trade as Harris for Meeks/Augustin then of course it doesn't look good, but it really isn't that simple and it hopefully will allow the Magic to become a better team in the long run.




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[Skin]

We got a PG who we can keep in the end of tight games because he can hit his FTs! I'm happy.

[T-DOT KEEZY]

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I hated the trade but let's not forget the most important part of the trade:

The magic traded Tobias' minutes and are using it mostly on AG and Mario.

yeah. also, i cant say that for sure as i'm not in the FO, but Henningan probably was forced to make the Tobias trade by Skiles. still, it was a bummer to sell low on him

It was a poorly executed trade. We have to call a spade a spade.
If Hennigan was in fact "forced to make the trade by Skiles" then is Hennigan the man for this job??
You don't sell off talent to make minutes for unproven prospects. They need to EARN the time.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I hated the trade but let's not forget the most important part of the trade:

The magic traded Tobias' minutes and are using it mostly on AG and Mario.

yeah. also, i cant say that for sure as i'm not in the FO, but Henningan probably was forced to make the Tobias trade by Skiles. still, it was a bummer to sell low on him

It was a poorly executed trade. We have to call a spade a spade.
If Hennigan was in fact "forced to make the trade by Skiles" then is Hennigan the man for this job??
You don't sell off talent to make minutes for unproven prospects. They need to EARN the time.

Last year...Skiles = Martins, Martins = Skiles. Skiles + Martins = RDV.

[Fiddlesticks]

Rob Hennigan some times i think you are a great GM other times i am not so sure. I like DJ Aug but i hate 4 year deal, forces us to definitely trade CJ Watson who i thought was on a very good contract or have and pay way to many Point Guards. I like the idea behind the Harris and Ibaka trades although i think you got the worst of both of them. As a fan the fact that we are not Making "splash Moves" is a bit frustrating but i do think this is a playoff team finally. Curious to see what we do at SF or PF, should give us a good idea of where AG will be playing most of his minutes.

[OrlandoDream]

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That's an acceptable deal for a backup. With what Jeremy Lin got, I'll take it. Good signing. Now let's sign Fournicator and call it a day.

[Cammo101]

I like this deal.

[zerp]

We need 12 mil for 2 PG backup because your starter is atrocious. EP is a cancer

[ChosenSavior]

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Love when people over simplify a situation. You really get to see who the ignorant people in this world are.

How is that simplifying the situation, everyone claimed that the move of trading Harris was done to give us cap space, now that Hennigan has wasted that cap space on scrub players, this board once again jumps in to defend his horrible moves with bull responses.

I'm sorry but Augustin and Meeks are nowhere near worth Tobias, and that's all we got out of that trade

It's oversimplifying for a few reasons.

1. The offseason is still less than 12 hours old. The Magic still have a lot of cap space and the potential to make moves, so we shouldn't be looking at the trade as Tobias for Meeks and Augustin.

2. It's not like the cap flexibility that the Magic got from the Harris deal had to be used immediately this offseason. Harris is signed for the next 3 years in Detroit, so his being gone gives the Magic more cap room this offseason, the next one, and the one after. This is important especially if the Magic want to re-sign Ibaka after this year.

3. Harris being gone allows more of an opportunity for Gordon and Hezonja to flourish. Let's hope they can use the opportunity to become the stars we want them to be.

If anyone is looking at the trade as Harris for Meeks/Augustin then of course it doesn't look good, but it really isn't that simple and it hopefully will allow the Magic to become a better team in the long run.




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Showing love to this post. Well said.

[SOUL]

We need 12 mil for 2 PG backup because your starter is atrocious. EP is a cancer

Does he kill babies too?

[T-DOT KEEZY]

That's not bad!

HOPEFULLY OUR LIFELONG QUEST FOR A BACKUP POINT GUARD IS FINALLY OVER!

We actually already have a backup point guard. Elfrid Payton.
We need a starting caliber PG that can shoot it so that we can run a PNR offense successfully.
Hopefully some trades are on the hopper.

My Ticket rep is calling me literally daily to extend and I am not going to do it unless we get something better on the perimeter at SG or SF. Hennigan has tripled down on Elfrid Payton so we obviously are not getting an actual PG.

[T-DOT KEEZY]

Rob Hennigan some times i think you are a great GM other times i am not so sure. I like DJ Aug but i hate 4 year deal, forces us to definitely trade CJ Watson who i thought was on a very good contract or have and pay way to many Point Guards. I like the idea behind the Harris and Ibaka trades although i think you got the worst of both of them. As a fan the fact that we are not Making "splash Moves" is a bit frustrating but i do think this is a playoff team finally. Curious to see what we do at SF or PF, should give us a good idea of where AG will be playing most of his minutes.

With keeping Harris AND trading for Ibaka we are probably a better team today than we are without Harris.
Harris is young, versatile, and has a reasonable contract

[OrlandO]

That's not bad!

HOPEFULLY OUR LIFELONG QUEST FOR A BACKUP POINT GUARD IS FINALLY OVER!

We actually already have a backup point guard. Elfrid Payton.
We need a starting caliber PG that can shoot it so that we can run a PNR offense successfully.
Hopefully some trades are on the hopper.

My Ticket rep is calling me literally daily to extend and I am not going to do it unless we get something better on the perimeter at SG or SF. Hennigan has tripled down on Elfrid Payton so we obviously are not getting an actual PG.

didn't you say the same thing last year about not extending your tix?

[SOUL]

Same whiners every day.