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Re: The IR 

Post#41 » by Def Swami » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:57 pm

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rcklsscognition wrote:Damn, paging the doctor, but depending on severity, that's a week + of ice and doing nothing.

Curious to hear more about it from Elfrid, but yes, depending on severity, could be anywhere from a few days to 2-3 weeks of rest, ice, NSAID's, and stretching exercises. They usually don't bring these guys back until they regain full range of motion in the hip and are completely free of pain.

Having 2 starters down to start training camp is rough.





Soooooo Doc, what the heck is a hip flexor exactly? :o :o

It's a group of muscles that help you you "flex" at your hip, not one particular muscle. Any of these muscles in your leg help you do the motion shown in the picture.
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You can split these muscles into groups:
Inner Hip Muscles: Psoas muscle and illiacus muscle
Anterior compartment of thigh: Quadriceps and sartorius (these also help extend the knee)
Gluteal Muscles: Tensor fasciae latae
Medial compartment of the thigh: Pectineus, adductors, and gracilis (these also help "adduct" the leg toward the body)

Here's a better look at the anatomy of all the muscles in your hip and leg that help flex at the hip:
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Re: The IR 

Post#42 » by rcklsscognition » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:02 pm

We did get an update that this is now officially a re-aggravation. Injury originally occurred last week.

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Re: The IR 

Post#43 » by Def Swami » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:05 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:We did get an update that this is now officially a re-aggravation. Injury originally occurred last week.

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Good looking out. Was waiting to hear an update today. That's somewhat encouraging news.
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Re: The IR 

Post#44 » by Def Swami » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:09 am

Gordon, who sat out the team's first four practice sessions of training camp because of a sprained ankle, participated in most of Thursday's evening practice because it was a non-contact practice.

"He's still a little hobbled with the ankle," Vogel said. "But [he looked] pretty good in some of the sets that we're going to be running for him. It was just good to see him out there."

Ibaka did not participate in either practice Thursday. Vogel said Ibaka is not injured, but the team wanted to manage some soreness in one of Ibaka's knees.

Payton, who has a strained left hip flexor, also did not practice.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-orlando-magic-news-0930-20160929-story.html

The Ibaka piece is new, but does not sound serious.
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Re: The IR 

Post#45 » by MagicStarwipe » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:31 am

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Gordon, who sat out the team's first four practice sessions of training camp because of a sprained ankle, participated in most of Thursday's evening practice because it was a non-contact practice.

"He's still a little hobbled with the ankle," Vogel said. "But [he looked] pretty good in some of the sets that we're going to be running for him. It was just good to see him out there."



Wow, we're actually going to be running sets for AG this season? Great that we finally have a coach who is serious about developing his players.
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Re: The IR 

Post#46 » by Bensational » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:33 am

Def, this is fantastic! What a great feature!
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Re: The IR 

Post#47 » by Def Swami » Fri Sep 30, 2016 8:13 pm

https://twitter.com/OMagicDaily/status/781933613009035264
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Aaron Gordon (ankle) did some non-contact work in the Magic's practice today. Elfrid Payton (hip flexor) did not practice.

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Serge Ibaka missed a 2nd day of practice to manage routine knee soreness today. Frank Vogel said there isn't an injury — just managing a vet
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Re: The IR 

Post#48 » by tooler » Sat Oct 1, 2016 2:56 pm

I feel like the proper way to do this thread is to photoshop the players' heads on top of the medical drawings.
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Re: The IR 

Post#49 » by Def Swami » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:39 pm

Elfrid Payton, Strained Left Hip Flexor

Elfrid Payton re-aggravated an injured left hip flexor on day 1 of training camp, September 27, 2016 while fighting through a screen during scrimmage; he missed the final 30 to 40 minutes of that practice. He said he initially sustained the injury a week prior and thought it had healed well enough. Since Tuesday, he has been held out of all practices and drills. He continues to be listed as “day to day.”

No defined timetable has been listed for his return, but it is fair to expect these injuries to heal within 1-3 weeks with rest, physical therapy exercises, and NSAID’s to reduce inflammation and pain. Athletic trainers test athletes’ range of motion in the hip and assess for pain daily. Until Payton regains full range of motion in the left hip and is without any pain, he’ll likely be held out of all practices and gameplay. It is encouraging to note that Payton acknowledged that he is feeling better.

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He was shown here working on his “White Chocolate” elbow passes with assistant coach Jay Hernandez this week.

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As previously mentioned, the hip flexors are a group of muscles that help “flex” the hip. With left hip flexor injuries, usually the psoas or illiacus is the strained muscle.

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These muscles can be split into groups based on their location and function:
Inner Hip Muscles: Psoas muscle and illiacus muscle
Anterior compartment of thigh: Quadriceps and sartorius (these also help extend the knee)
Gluteal Muscles: Tensor fasciae latae
Medial compartment of the thigh: Pectineus, adductors, and gracilis (these also help "adduct" the leg toward the body)

A study done at the American Hip Institute was published in the August 2013 Orthopedic Journal of Sports Medicine sought to assess the epidemiology of all hip related injuries in the NBA from 1988 to 2012. One of the more common risk factors for any muscle strain is a sudden increase in sustained use of the muscle. Interestingly, the study found that most hip injuries occur in training camp and preseason.

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As the authors express, it should give team athletic trainers something to really show caution toward as the season begins. It should be interesting to see what research comes out going forward on interventions to best prevent these injuries at the beginning of training camp and preseason.

The study also found that the average number of days a player with a hip injury missed was 6.3 with a standard deviation of +/- 10.2 days, essentially in accordance with Payton's expected return to play range of 1-3 weeks.

It’s unlikely we see Payton play in any exhibition games this week, but I think there is a good chance he’s ready to go for the first preseason home game against the San Antonio Spurs on October 12.

http://ojs.sagepub.com/content/1/3/2325967113499130.full
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Re: The IR 

Post#50 » by Def Swami » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:41 pm

tooler wrote:I feel like the proper way to do this thread is to photoshop the players' heads on top of the medical drawings.

Excellent idea. Done.
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Re: The IR 

Post#51 » by SOUL » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:41 pm

Elfrid looking good in that sports bra.
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Re: The IR 

Post#52 » by Def Swami » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:54 pm

I know Hennigan said that Gordon wouldn't miss any preseason games, but without any contact 5 on 5 during the week, I'd be surprised if he plays Monday.
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Re: The IR 

Post#53 » by JF5 » Sat Oct 1, 2016 10:57 pm

SOUL wrote:Elfrid looking good in that sports bra.


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Re: The IR 

Post#54 » by Dennis Reynolds » Sat Oct 1, 2016 11:01 pm

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SOUL wrote:Elfrid looking good in that sports bra.


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Re: The IR 

Post#55 » by Def Swami » Sun Oct 2, 2016 4:32 pm

To no one's surprise.
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INJURY REPORT for 10/3 at MEM:
Aaron Gordon (ankle), Jodie Meeks (foot) & Elfrid Payton (hip flexor) are all out.
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Re: The IR 

Post#56 » by Def Swami » Sun Oct 2, 2016 9:01 pm

Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Serge Ibaka did not practice today because of knee soreness—the 3rd practice day he's missed. Ibaka is day-to-day, Frank Vogel said

Something to keep an eye on. Seemed like it was nothing serious. Hasn't been ruled out for tomorrow's game.
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Re: The IR 

Post#57 » by OrlandoDream » Sun Oct 2, 2016 9:52 pm

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Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Serge Ibaka did not practice today because of knee soreness—the 3rd practice day he's missed. Ibaka is day-to-day, Frank Vogel said

Something to keep an eye on. Seemed like it was nothing serious. Hasn't been ruled out for tomorrow's game.

I think we will keep him out of tomorrow's game for precautionary purposes. Want to have him ready to go for when it counts.
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Re: The IR 

Post#58 » by Def Swami » Sun Oct 2, 2016 10:42 pm

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Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Serge Ibaka did not practice today because of knee soreness—the 3rd practice day he's missed. Ibaka is day-to-day, Frank Vogel said

Something to keep an eye on. Seemed like it was nothing serious. Hasn't been ruled out for tomorrow's game.

I think we will keep him out of tomorrow's game for precautionary purposes. Want to have him ready to go for when it counts.

Yeah, not too worried about Ibaka missing time since he's a vet and knows what's expected of him. More bummed for guys like Gordon and Payton who really need to hit the ground running this year.
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Re: The IR 

Post#59 » by Def Swami » Mon Oct 3, 2016 4:14 am

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Josh Robbins ‏@JoshuaBRobbins
Serge Ibaka did not practice today because of knee soreness—the 3rd practice day he's missed. Ibaka is day-to-day, Frank Vogel said

Something to keep an eye on. Seemed like it was nothing serious. Hasn't been ruled out for tomorrow's game.

Denton says it's unlikely we see Ibaka tomorrow night as well.
Gordon, who is being looked to for a break-out third season, has yet to practice fully after spraining his ankle before the start of camp. Payton strained a hip flexor early in camp and is still out. And Ibaka, the franchise’s draft-night acquisition in a trade with Oklahoma City, missed his fourth straight practice on Sunday with discomfort in his knee. All are most likely out for Monday’s game at FedEx Forum
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Re: The IR 

Post#60 » by SOUL » Mon Oct 3, 2016 9:10 am

There is a week long break after the Cavaliers game, no need to rush those three back until then, I think. Maybe Ibaka can get in some minutes at the Cleveland game.
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