Skin wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Skin wrote:Happy to hear your reply! Glad you agree that Suggs is not in this caliber as a player. These are the types of players who I think would take us into true contender levels. I didn't even bother to list guys like SGA, Luka, PG, Beal, etc who are on contenders but are untouchable or out of our timeline. Suggs isn't even in the top half of the league in terms of starting SG value. You even admitted that we would have to add multiple 1sts to get there.
I did throw a couple of pet cats in there in Vassell and Sharpe. I would trade Suggs for Vassell in a snap and if POR would give us Sharpe AND MORE, hell yeah I'd take that offer too (but that would never happen).
But the bottom line is you helped to prove my point. Suggs is not at this level. He doesn't have that value. Maybe one day he'll get there, and I'll give him credit if he does... but he's not there right now. Believe it or not, I've come a long ways from where I used to be on him. His improved play has changed my opinion on him. I think he could be a starting SG for a contender, but he would not be the 3rd option on one. Certainly not our #2 option. If he was a starting SG on a contender then we would probably have to need a star at PG. A 4th option is pretty much a solid role player on any contender. That's where I see him.
Look how fast those goalposts moved!
The list was “ who can we trade him for? Is he good enough to get any of these guys?”
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Is Jalen Suggs better than any of these guys? And if not I’m proving my point for a guy I was 100% wrong about 1.5 seasons ago and now comparing him against multi time allstars && dudes 8 seasons into their careers.
I even gave you Vassell. I also don’t think he’s anywhere close to Suggs defensively. I watch the Spurs quite often. You willing to trade Suggs for fkn Sharpe tell me all I need to know about how you view defense or understand what he means to this teams identity to winning basketball games when he’s out.
I didn’t prove your point. You proved MY point. You are drawing ridiculous hypotheticals without basis of salary cap and deal framework saying Suggs doesn’t equal a list of allstars. Even Vassell is a year ahead of Suggs and their numbers were similar in year 3 even if you don’t adjust for defense.
And yeah, Franz has fallen off a cliff for us offensively in the last 6-8 games so it’s not as far fetched as you’d imagine to say Suggs is up there in level of importance. The team looks like **** when he’s not on the floor with the starters.
I got you so bad bro. You wanted to believe that Suggs was our 2nd best player a few posts ago and are already backtracking. You got mad when I said that Suggs wasn't a starting caliber SG on a true contender and when you proved me right, that he's not even in the top half of the league, instead of having a debate on the player you got all fussy trying to make this more a personal attack. I love posters like you who get all riled up so easily and turn to personal agendas instead of keeping to basketball talk when you start losing a debate. Trying to make a point about me being wrong in the past is too funny. I just said I don't care. I never claim to be perfect, but you trying to make it a thing just cracks me up. Besides, I've always been right in my opinion of him. Called out his weaknesses, noted his strengths, been honest about his value. Guys like you make it fun around here for sure. It's boring when people just feed 100% homerism into every post and stroke each other's egos while wearing Orlando Magic jersey's behind their keyboards. So thanks
Personal agendas? You are claiming Suggs is better suited as a sixth man and literally nobody here that has watched the last 20 games would agree with you unless they had an agenda.
How is it backtracking? You gave a list of players asking "who can we trade him for"? like it was even a good faith question and get mad when I say its a dumb question for paragraphs of reasons as to why. Then you say "HAHA GOTCHA" when I say you moved the goalposts in less than an hour of responding reframing the question to "who's better forget about all context, ages, contracts, and timeframes".
Suggs has been the second OR third best player in the last few weeks lol. Have you not been watching games? That isnt even a hot take bro.
Stop pretending to make arguments focusing on him as a reason as to why he's the prime target to upgrade because you lack the ability to think outside the box. What about point guard? What about Center? You literally came to a Jalen Suggs thread and said "I guess hes gotten better. I don't care if I was wrong, he'd win sixth man of the year if it were up to me" lmao. Like that isn't conceding that you were wrong then and wrong now.
Your previous argument was "we need a better shooter at SG to alleviate the fact that Fultz is a broken loser that cant shoot plzzz thx" and now that Suggs is shooting near 40% on volume your take is "hes a 6th man durrrr because he isnt Devin Booker in year 3 durrr" Spare me.
Hilarious to say I made anything about my previous post a personal attack... considering the post I'm currently responding to is anything but that exactly. See I can choose when to make things personal. I'll even add stupid pepe emoji's after every paragraph
, a tough skilled player like Ewing would be great in this Soft era
), he can't even attack drive on smaller player. Yet he knows how to angle himself in rolls and uses his hips. Nothing else. Literally, guy has 2 offensvie moves + solid passing vision and in today's nba it's unguardable. Now imagine if he isn't 6'9 -230 but 7 foot and 250. 
