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Audi wrote:Anyone else feel a need to eat crow about Suggs? Not because you were ever particularly low on him or said anything bad - in fact, you always supported him - but simply because you just didn't see such a massive leap in abilities coming?
MagicMatic wrote:The-Stallion70 wrote:JoshuaPotter wrote:
Offensively wishful thinking comparison? Yes.
But the Isaac / Suggs / Claxton potential pairing with two good to great F is our new fools gold era incoming.
Claxton is not really better than Wendell.
The correct answer to the question of "which player would make us a contender" is
-Healthy Lamelo Ball
-Haliburton
-Maybe Trae
Orlando doesn’t have the assets for any of the names you listed unless you are moving Paolo, Franz, or Suggs along with multiple picks.
thelead wrote:I have a memory like an elephant.
Audi wrote:Anyone else feel a need to eat crow about Suggs? Not because you were ever particularly low on him or said anything bad - in fact, you always supported him - but simply because you just didn't see such a massive leap in abilities coming?
eyriq wrote:This measured Claxton highly? I'm liking it more and more.
thelead wrote:I have a memory like an elephant.
) but he also isnt a great rebounder, very limited offensively, and is a poor FT shooter. I do like him, i just dont know if paying him double (or more) what WCJ makes is a great idea. On the other hand I love defense and we cant depend on Isaac being healthy, so it does make sense to sign him. I dont know i keep going back and forth about this.
The main things I like about him are that he's young, he's mobile and switchable, has good hands, anchors the interior defense with great instincts and defensive IQ, and is elite at defensive rebounding. I think he's an upgrade over Goga who fills a similar role.The-Stallion70 wrote:I don't get the love for Clax. It's like he's a fa who is available and theoretically can fit under the cap so eyriq is convincing himself that he's what we need. Even though he's not.
Claxton is a vertical spacing lob threat guy who can rebound and block shots but this is not the weakness of the team.
He's like what DeAndre Jordan was.
eyriq wrote:The main things I like about him are that he's young, he's mobile and switchable, has good hands, anchors the interior defense with great instincts and defensive IQ, and is elite at defensive rebounding. I think he's an upgrade over Goga who fills a similar role.The-Stallion70 wrote:I don't get the love for Clax. It's like he's a fa who is available and theoretically can fit under the cap so eyriq is convincing himself that he's what we need. Even though he's not.
Claxton is a vertical spacing lob threat guy who can rebound and block shots but this is not the weakness of the team.
He's like what DeAndre Jordan was.
eyriq wrote:The main things I like about him are that he's young, he's mobile and switchable, has good hands, anchors the interior defense with great instincts and defensive IQ, and is elite at defensive rebounding. I think he's an upgrade over Goga who fills a similar role.
Goga isn't as mobile and has worse hands. You do have a point though that Goga is an option.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:The main things I like about him are that he's young, he's mobile and switchable, has good hands, anchors the interior defense with great instincts and defensive IQ, and is elite at defensive rebounding. I think he's an upgrade over Goga who fills a similar role.
The problem with this logic is that Goga filled the role you're talking about for the Magic this year for just $2M.
It would cost somewhere between $20-$30M per season to ultimately get similar production from Claxton.
The upgrade in production doesn't seem to justify the cost.
eyriq wrote:Goga isn't as mobile and has worse hands. You do have a point though that Goga is an option.Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:The main things I like about him are that he's young, he's mobile and switchable, has good hands, anchors the interior defense with great instincts and defensive IQ, and is elite at defensive rebounding. I think he's an upgrade over Goga who fills a similar role.
The problem with this logic is that Goga filled the role you're talking about for the Magic this year for just $2M.
It would cost somewhere between $20-$30M per season to ultimately get similar production from Claxton.
The upgrade in production doesn't seem to justify the cost.
Knightro wrote:eyriq wrote:Goga isn't as mobile and has worse hands. You do have a point though that Goga is an option.Knightro wrote:
The problem with this logic is that Goga filled the role you're talking about for the Magic this year for just $2M.
It would cost somewhere between $20-$30M per season to ultimately get similar production from Claxton.
The upgrade in production doesn't seem to justify the cost.
The best version of Goga (+2.0 EPM this year) is not better than the best version of Claxton (+3.4 EPM last year), but I think you have to ask a couple of questions.
1. How likely is it that the Magic would get the best version of Claxton?
Every other year of Claxton's career has been worse than Goga this year according to EPM. Was his outstanding 22-23 season just an outlier or is that something the Magic could unlock on a more permanent basis?
2. Is the potential difference in production worth 4x-6x more in salary?
If the Magic could resign Goga for like 2 years, $10M, but it would cost 3 years, $70M for Claxton - is that price difference actually worth it for Orlando?
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Keeping it on the topic of Suggs.
thelead wrote:I have a memory like an elephant.
KillMonger wrote:when do we find out all defense teams? end of season
