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Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1921 » by Magicman125 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:08 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:By looking at Hawks 2020-21 and Grizzlies 2021-22 season i think some of us have healhy scepticism about overachiving in one year by lot of things working in our favor, that aren't really sustainable long term, and creating false sense that team emerged, by mostly just ignoring weaknesses.

Hawks had crappy defense , had 41-31 record, had whole bunch of lottery picks playing better ( than they turned to be) , with several role players being unusually healthy or in career years. For example , Cam Reddish shot 65% for 3 vs Bucks in ECF and Hunter had great sophmore season, Capela & Bogdan had career years. Capela was 6th in DPOY and looked like top 8-ish C. Bogdan was 2,5% FG below 50-40-90 split and looked like top 10 SG. Oh and Gallinari had unusually healthy year and was probably best streach PF off bench.
Next year, things reverted to normality, and they got trashed in playoffs by Heat in round 1.


Memphis Grizzlies in 2021-22 had 4th best defense and 5th best offense. Whole roster was overachiving and mostly made out of young, hungry players. They passed first round. Lost to Warriors. No big deal. Future is bright.
Next year they have even better defense ( 2# ) but offense starts to slip ( 15). They win less games, go to playoffs, get outclassed in first round by 7th seeded Lakers. Not that they lost, they got trashed in 3 out of 6 games.



Right now we have Suggs having career year, Isaac having first healthy year since 2019, Harris first healthy year in past 4-5 years, Ingles is being big part of our offense at age of 36, Mortiz Wagner is having career year. We have very little to no injuries but Fultz, who's abstence is addition by substraction.
On top of that we are only middle pack team that has been healthy whole year long. Cavs, Knicks, Raptors, Bulls, Pacers, Hawks, Heat, 76ers all deal with way bigger problems. Some of them don't have top 3 players aveliable for near 50+ games.

Driving home conclusion, without taking lot of things in considiration would be dangerous and even dumb. Our record against teams over. 500 is telling. We built our record mostly by beating bad teams and being excellent at it.
Every year there is one team that leapfrogs in regular season, sucks itself into own hype ,and gets kicked in bu** next year. Don't be that team. Make hard decisions based on logic digging deep into weaknesses, not riding high horse thinking you arived.



To expand: the Magic is currently:

24-6 against sub500 teams and
15-22 against 500 teams.

But at least the Magic has the tie-breaker with the Knicks.


..


also have the tie-breaker w the pacers
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1922 » by GelbeWand09 » Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:12 pm

This one isnt so interesting for us (even so the Doncic & LeBron stuff is kinda funny :lol: ) but the comment is Magic related. Franz got the Fastest avg defensive speed for a 20+ PPG scorer in the NBA. Maybe explains his efficieny drop this year. He uses a ton of energy at the defensive side compared to other scorers.

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Post#1923 » by drsd » Sun Mar 17, 2024 2:36 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:This one isnt so interesting for us (even so the Doncic & LeBron stuff is kinda funny :lol: ) but the comment is Magic related. Franz got the Fastest avg defensive speed for a 20+ PPG scorer in the NBA. Maybe explains his efficieny drop this year. He uses a ton of energy at the defensive side compared to other scorers. But shows too, like i thought before, Franz just got great footwork on defense.

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Post#1924 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 17, 2024 5:09 pm

80% of our wins can be explained by 5 players. Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Cole, and JI are the main characters this season.

Cole is a curiosity to me. He's a microwave scorer and leader of one of the best benches in the NBA, but he's so inconsistent and inefficient. Still only 23 though.
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Post#1925 » by eyriq » Sun Mar 17, 2024 6:42 pm

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Post#1926 » by YosemiteSam » Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:52 am

If my math is correct, with the Nets loss to the Spurs, one more win by the Magic or loss by the Nets clinches at least the play in for the Magic. I know we have assumed we were safe there for some time, but we should recognize that at the start of the season making the play in was a stretch goal for most of us. Now it’s time to aim for clinching at least an 8th seed to guarantee a home elimination game.
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Post#1927 » by RichCollab » Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:54 am

YosemiteSam wrote:If my math is correct, with the Nets loss to the Spurs, one more win by the Magic or loss by the Nets clinches at least the play in for the Magic. I know we have assumed we were safe there for some time, but we should recognize that at the start of the season making the play in was a stretch goal for most of us. Now it’s time to aim for clinching at least an 8th seed to guarantee a home elimination game.


I don’t think playin was a stretch goal. It was the goal. It would have been a disappointment not to make it.
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Post#1928 » by D12VCMagic » Mon Mar 18, 2024 1:58 am

Hopefully we avoid the play in entirely, but locking ourselves ahead of 11 with time to go is still something to be proud of. Just not worth celebrating.
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Post#1929 » by eyriq » Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:03 am

Nothing to argue about tonight? Work night, anyway.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1930 » by pepe1991 » Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:16 am

RichCollab wrote:
YosemiteSam wrote:If my math is correct, with the Nets loss to the Spurs, one more win by the Magic or loss by the Nets clinches at least the play in for the Magic. I know we have assumed we were safe there for some time, but we should recognize that at the start of the season making the play in was a stretch goal for most of us. Now it’s time to aim for clinching at least an 8th seed to guarantee a home elimination game.


I don’t think playin was a stretch goal. It was the goal. It would have been a disappointment not to make it.


Given that 10 out of 15 & 20 out of 30 make it, it's actually much harder to miss it nowdays. Hawks will probably get to playin with solid 6-8 games below .500.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1931 » by drsd » Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:04 am

YosemiteSam wrote:If my math is correct, with the Nets loss to the Spurs, one more win by the Magic or loss by the Nets clinches at least the play in for the Magic. I know we have assumed we were safe there for some time, but we should recognize that at the start of the season making the play in was a stretch goal for most of us. Now it’s time to aim for clinching at least an 8th seed to guarantee a home elimination game.


This needs more hype!
(( regardless of the Magic goals, this is a major achievement for this team ))

And you are 100% correct. The Magic is 14 games up on the Nets, a wild thing in and of itself, with Brooklyn only having 14 more games to play. So: one Magic win or one Magic loss, and Orlando will see the postseason!

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Post#1932 » by fendilim » Mon Mar 18, 2024 8:08 am

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Post#1933 » by thelead » Mon Mar 18, 2024 2:25 pm

Would love to get to 50 wins. We’d have to go 10-4 the rest of the way. Doable but we have some tough opponents coming up soon (Clips, Kings, Pels x2, etc).
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Post#1934 » by eyriq » Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:37 pm

thelead wrote:Would love to get to 50 wins. We’d have to go 10-4 the rest of the way. Doable but we have some tough opponents coming up soon (Clips, Kings, Pels x2, etc).
The reasonable range is between 44-51 wins. There is about a 14.44% probability of winning 50 or more games, given ESPN's win probabilities are accurate. It's pretty crazy 50 wins is within reach. Most likely is that we finish with 46-49 wins. That is well above most fans expectations when we started the season.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread 

Post#1935 » by RookieStar » Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:57 pm

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thelead wrote:Would love to get to 50 wins. We’d have to go 10-4 the rest of the way. Doable but we have some tough opponents coming up soon (Clips, Kings, Pels x2, etc).
The reasonable range is between 44-51 wins. There is about a 14.44% probability of winning 50 or more games, given ESPN's win probabilities are accurate. It's pretty crazy 50 wins is within reach. Most likely is that we finish with 46-49 wins. That is well above most fans expectations when we started the season.


That was why I had us at 45 wins... safe answer. Its crazy though that we have a chance at 50.

However, to be safe, id rather NOT reach it in case it burns out our guys
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Post#1936 » by Bensational » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:23 pm

Could be a big night for us in the standings. IND v CLE, MIA v PHI, NYK v GSW. Fingers crossed we can get closer to that 4 seed.
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Post#1937 » by SOUL » Mon Mar 18, 2024 10:52 pm

Bensational wrote:Could be a big night for us in the standings. IND v CLE, MIA v PHI, NYK v GSW. Fingers crossed we can get closer to that 4 seed.


Depends on what people want though.

Cleveland losing makes it more probable to play CLE in the first round or us to move up higher, Indy losing gives us more buffer to not fall into play-ins.
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Post#1938 » by Bensational » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:13 pm

SOUL wrote:
Bensational wrote:Could be a big night for us in the standings. IND v CLE, MIA v PHI, NYK v GSW. Fingers crossed we can get closer to that 4 seed.


Depends on what people want though.

Cleveland losing makes it more probable to play CLE in the first round or us to move up higher, Indy losing gives us more buffer to not fall into play-ins.


I just want the team to show it can keep winning down the stretch regardless of who they might face in the playoffs. The main reason I’d like to see HCA seeding is to get more playoff games in Orlando, which will be good for the players and fans.
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Post#1939 » by RookieStar » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:55 pm

Bensational wrote:Could be a big night for us in the standings. IND v CLE, MIA v PHI, NYK v GSW. Fingers crossed we can get closer to that 4 seed.


Its pick your poison really

I want us to face CLE in the 1st round... so how do we do that?
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Post#1940 » by eyriq » Mon Mar 18, 2024 11:56 pm

Bensational wrote:Could be a big night for us in the standings. IND v CLE, MIA v PHI, NYK v GSW. Fingers crossed we can get closer to that 4 seed.
I'm rooting for GSW, IND, and PHI

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