Suggs’ extension

[JoshuaPotter]

We are about to get expensive, then.

I think we are going to have a similar moment to the Dipo vs Fornier moment we had.

Unless Black or Suggs separate themselves from each other and mirror each others strengths but don't become the 18-22ppg player we need. Then it is possible to keep both I think.

This is where keeping draft picks could pay off as they are an inexpensive way of acquiring talent. So when someone proposes say our 1st for the next 4 years plus the denver for "flavor player of the month" I get nervous.

Let's park the discussion about guys on rookie deals and clean up the house from unproductive 13-17M contracts we seem to have in abundance.

It's why I brought up Black + Suggs kinda having a similar development track so far and choosing between one vs paying one vs the other.

[eyriq]

I think we are going to have a similar moment to the Dipo vs Fornier moment we had.

Unless Black or Suggs separate themselves from each other and mirror each others strengths but don't become the 18-22ppg player we need. Then it is possible to keep both I think.

This is where keeping draft picks could pay off as they are an inexpensive way of acquiring talent. So when someone proposes say our 1st for the next 4 years plus the denver for "flavor player of the month" I get nervous.

Let's park the discussion about guys on rookie deals and clean up the house from unproductive 13-17M contracts we seem to have in abundance.

It's why I brought up Black + Suggs kinda having a similar development track so far and choosing between one vs paying one vs the other.

The Suggs vs AB debate will be a sad day

[JoshuaPotter]

Let's park the discussion about guys on rookie deals and clean up the house from unproductive 13-17M contracts we seem to have in abundance.

It's why I brought up Black + Suggs kinda having a similar development track so far and choosing between one vs paying one vs the other.

The Suggs vs AB debate will be a sad day

I prefer the AB vs Fultz debate.

[JoshuaPotter]

It really stood out to me watching the replay that Suggs + Blacks backcourt had Suggs bringing the ball up to initiate offense. I am hoping that it falls on Black soon. Well see.

[eyriq]

It's why I brought up Black + Suggs kinda having a similar development track so far and choosing between one vs paying one vs the other.

The Suggs vs AB debate will be a sad day

I prefer the AB vs Fultz debate.

Oh yeah, baby. Pure joy, that

[ogmagicfan]

As a Timberwolves fan, I don't see how Suggs can get any less than Jaden McDaniels. That seems to be about where he is as a player when Jaden signed his extension. Jaden is a low usage, elite defensive piece who can guard multiple positions at an All-Defensive level, can shoot and can attack people off the dribble out of a close out situation. Suggs doesn't have quite the defensive positional versatility but he makes up for it by being a tertiary playmaker and ball-handler.

If you think Suggs accepts $20 Million AAV, then you are either thinking he accepts a large underpayment or think he and his agent is dumb. Young players who have improved every year don't sign for that dollar amount.

I'd expect Suggs team to look at Jaden McDaniels contract and say that's the floor of the negotiation process.

McDaniels doesn't have the injury history/woes that Suggs has. Along with defensive wings being more valuable than defensive guards in the NBA because of versatality.

Also, I think yall overpaid on McDaniels. Kinda the same deal as the Spurs overpaying on Vassell.

[Colbinii]

As a Timberwolves fan, I don't see how Suggs can get any less than Jaden McDaniels. That seems to be about where he is as a player when Jaden signed his extension. Jaden is a low usage, elite defensive piece who can guard multiple positions at an All-Defensive level, can shoot and can attack people off the dribble out of a close out situation. Suggs doesn't have quite the defensive positional versatility but he makes up for it by being a tertiary playmaker and ball-handler.

If you think Suggs accepts $20 Million AAV, then you are either thinking he accepts a large underpayment or think he and his agent is dumb. Young players who have improved every year don't sign for that dollar amount.

I'd expect Suggs team to look at Jaden McDaniels contract and say that's the floor of the negotiation process.

McDaniels doesn't have the injury history/woes that Suggs has. Along with defensive wings being more valuable than defensive guards in the NBA because of versatality.

Also, I think yall overpaid on McDaniels. Kinda the same deal as the Spurs overpaying on Vassell.

I don't think either Vassell or McDaniels are overpaid. That's the market value since both signed for it.

I would like to see statistical analysis done comparing price per impact, but I think both Vassell and McDaniels offer something to their team in the ballpark of their salary.

[ogmagicfan]

As a Timberwolves fan, I don't see how Suggs can get any less than Jaden McDaniels. That seems to be about where he is as a player when Jaden signed his extension. Jaden is a low usage, elite defensive piece who can guard multiple positions at an All-Defensive level, can shoot and can attack people off the dribble out of a close out situation. Suggs doesn't have quite the defensive positional versatility but he makes up for it by being a tertiary playmaker and ball-handler.

If you think Suggs accepts $20 Million AAV, then you are either thinking he accepts a large underpayment or think he and his agent is dumb. Young players who have improved every year don't sign for that dollar amount.

I'd expect Suggs team to look at Jaden McDaniels contract and say that's the floor of the negotiation process.

McDaniels doesn't have the injury history/woes that Suggs has. Along with defensive wings being more valuable than defensive guards in the NBA because of versatality.

Also, I think yall overpaid on McDaniels. Kinda the same deal as the Spurs overpaying on Vassell.

I don't think either Vassell or McDaniels are overpaid. That's the market value since both signed for it.

I would like to see statistical analysis done comparing price per impact, but I think both Vassell and McDaniels offer something to their team in the ballpark of their salary.

I'n more inclined to believe McDaniels is overpaid than Vassell, Vassell honestly isn't that bad because he carries more of a load offensively.

McDaniels however, if there's no path for him to get increased offensive usage then I'd say it's an overpay to pay 25-30 mil for his offensive production. (His contract is actually lower than I thought, for some reason I thought it was 35 mil)

[basketballRob]

As a Timberwolves fan, I don't see how Suggs can get any less than Jaden McDaniels. That seems to be about where he is as a player when Jaden signed his extension. Jaden is a low usage, elite defensive piece who can guard multiple positions at an All-Defensive level, can shoot and can attack people off the dribble out of a close out situation. Suggs doesn't have quite the defensive positional versatility but he makes up for it by being a tertiary playmaker and ball-handler.

If you think Suggs accepts $20 Million AAV, then you are either thinking he accepts a large underpayment or think he and his agent is dumb. Young players who have improved every year don't sign for that dollar amount.

I'd expect Suggs team to look at Jaden McDaniels contract and say that's the floor of the negotiation process.

McDaniels doesn't have the injury history/woes that Suggs has. Along with defensive wings being more valuable than defensive guards in the NBA because of versatality.

Also, I think yall overpaid on McDaniels. Kinda the same deal as the Spurs overpaying on Vassell.

I don't think either Vassell or McDaniels are overpaid. That's the market value since both signed for it.

I would like to see statistical analysis done comparing price per impact, but I think both Vassell and McDaniels offer something to their team in the ballpark of their salary.

It depends on how healthy Suggs remains. Suggs has already missed 63 games in 2.5 seasons, so it's almost 1 out of 3 seasons. If Suggs was consistently healthy, it would help his case.

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[p0peye]

The Suggs vs AB debate will be a sad day

I prefer the AB vs Fultz debate.

Oh yeah, baby. Pure joy, that

Well, only if you think there is a debate to be had involving Fultz.

[The-Stallion70]

If Suggs gets a nine figure deal then Weltman should immediately be fired.

[eyriq]

Fultz supporters don't support Suggs? (Or Black) Is this a thing?

[RookieStar]

If Suggs gets a nine figure deal then Weltman should immediately be fired.

5yr/100m with team option on the last year? Im down.

[MagicMatic]

Fultz supporters don't support Suggs? (Or Black) Is this a thing?

It’s always been a thing.

No coincidence

[JoshuaPotter]

Fultz supporters don't support Suggs? (Or Black) Is this a thing?

It’s always been a thing.

No coincidence

Always has been

[eyriq]

Fultz supporters don't support Suggs? (Or Black) Is this a thing?

It’s always been a thing.

No coincidence

Suggs lacks aura

[The-Stallion70]

If Suggs gets a nine figure deal then Weltman should immediately be fired.

5yr/100m with team option on the last year? Im down.

McDaniels isnt really comparable, he is the best wing defender for the best defense in the league on a team that is 32-14. Mcdaniels is not injury prone, is 6-10 with a seven feet plus wingspan and can guard every position on the floor. Mcdaniels is basically Isaac if Isaac would stay healthy and that is STILL probably an overpay for a guy who averages 10 points.

Suggs is a wing-only defender who frequently overextends himself and ignores his own physical and athletic limitations on the court, leading to injury. Our team has the 5th ranked defense and is 2 games above .500.

Suggs doesn't have the physical tools of Mcdaniels and is not the same level of defender.

This doesn't surprise me to be having this debate with the same posters who thought Austin Reaves would get $100M+ in the offseason and instead ended up getting basically spot on what I thought his value was.

[MagicMatic]

Fultz supporters don't support Suggs? (Or Black) Is this a thing?

It’s always been a thing.

No coincidence

Suggs lacks aura

Suggs could shoot 40% from 3 for weeks and hold opposing guards to below their averages and he would be called out for being too injured in his first two seasons.

[Skin]

Suggs is gonna get $20M+.

Franz is gonna get $40M+

Paolo is gonna get $50M+

Cole's extension was such a blunder.

[Skin]

It’s always been a thing.

No coincidence

Suggs lacks aura

Suggs could shoot 40% from 3 for weeks and hold opposing guards to below their averages and he would be called out for being too injured in his first two seasons.

I would be thrilled if he did that for 3 games in a row, much less 3 weeks. You got nothing to worry about.