Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[tiderulz]

He's one of the best defenders in the league as a rookie. He's starting quality for that alone.

One of the best defenders in the league feels like a stretch

There are plenty of guys with a better defensive EPM that aren’t starters.. most with better offensive EPM as well.. filter on DEF EPM and see:

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Maybe this next stretch of games boosts Black’s EPM?

If a rookie can give you starter level defense, actually above starter level. The defense is ranked 84th and there's 150 players starting. And if that player is the number six pick with upside through the roof, play the damn player. It's not that hard.

sorry, but i disagree. If you are chosen top-6, you should be able to be average. And his offense is not average. Now, a large part of that is role and usage, but he hasnt shown enough imo to have a bigger role yet.

[Fortune Teller]

Black should not have been the #6 pick, so playing him more to justify the bad investment doesn't make sense. The same arguments were made in favor of playing Mo Bamba for years.

The season is almost over and we still don't know what position Black is, but it doesn't bode well that Mosley doesn't think much of his PG skills. The Magic are 26th out of 30 teams in APG, so if Black could help us in that category, he presumably would.

[eyriq]

Black should not have been the #6 pick, so playing him more to justify the bad investment doesn't make sense. The same arguments were made in favor of playing Mo Bamba for years.

The season is almost over and we still don't know what position Black is, but it doesn't bode well that Mosley doesn't think much of his PG skills. The Magic are 26th out of 30 teams in APG, so if Black could help us in that category, he presumably would.

Disagreeing here. Black was pretty much seen as a top pick, especially for his point guard skills back in college. Yeah, transitioning to the NBA's a tough gig, especially on offense, but the dude's already showing solid defense against some tough opponents. Offense takes time, especially for point guards, and history's full of late bloomers who turned into legends.

As for the Magic's assist numbers, it's too simple to pin that on one rookie. Basketball's a team game, and those numbers reflect a lot more than just one player's contribution. Give Black some time. It's way too early to call him a bad pick based on a single rookie season. Defense matters, and he's delivering there. Let's see how he grows.

[basketballRob]

Black should not have been the #6 pick, so playing him more to justify the bad investment doesn't make sense. The same arguments were made in favor of playing Mo Bamba for years.

The season is almost over and we still don't know what position Black is, but it doesn't bode well that Mosley doesn't think much of his PG skills. The Magic are 26th out of 30 teams in APG, so if Black could help us in that category, he presumably would.

Black has played more than anyone expected. I didn't expect him to get any minutes this year. His good play is why he continued to get minutes. They stuck him in the starting lineup when we were short-handed, and we set a franchise record for consecutive wins.

I don't think Bamba started any games his first 3 years.

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[JoshuaPotter]

Black should not have been the #6 pick, so playing him more to justify the bad investment doesn't make sense. The same arguments were made in favor of playing Mo Bamba for years.

The season is almost over and we still don't know what position Black is, but it doesn't bode well that Mosley doesn't think much of his PG skills. The Magic are 26th out of 30 teams in APG, so if Black could help us in that category, he presumably would.

Sir. I am very very VERY tired.

Who was the 6th pick if not Black?

[JoshuaPotter]

Black should not have been the #6 pick, so playing him more to justify the bad investment doesn't make sense. The same arguments were made in favor of playing Mo Bamba for years.

The season is almost over and we still don't know what position Black is, but it doesn't bode well that Mosley doesn't think much of his PG skills. The Magic are 26th out of 30 teams in APG, so if Black could help us in that category, he presumably would.

Disagreeing here. Black was pretty much seen as a top pick, especially for his point guard skills back in college. Yeah, transitioning to the NBA's a tough gig, especially on offense, but the dude's already showing solid defense against some tough opponents. Offense takes time, especially for point guards, and history's full of late bloomers who turned into legends.

As for the Magic's assist numbers, it's too simple to pin that on one rookie. Basketball's a team game, and those numbers reflect a lot more than just one player's contribution. Give Black some time. It's way too early to call him a bad pick based on a single rookie season. Defense matters, and he's delivering there. Let's see how he grows.

Many peoples leader boards had the twins and then Black and then everyone else after Wemby / Scoot / Miller....where is this whimsical better player? I for one, between the twins and Black am happy with what we got.

The biggest issue with Black is in a perfect world he was collecting DNP-CD's until he literally outplays everyone else. Even Suggs to an extent.

edit : https://hoopsdistillery.com/2023-mockdraftcomp-vs-actual/

Of the 8 mocks listed, he was 5 out of 8 for the 6th pick....

He was projected as high as 4th once and as low as 8th 2x.

Unless hindsight being 20/20 is being deployed here, which isn't supposed to be the way you judge a pick so to speak this early on.

[eyriq]

Black should not have been the #6 pick, so playing him more to justify the bad investment doesn't make sense. The same arguments were made in favor of playing Mo Bamba for years.

The season is almost over and we still don't know what position Black is, but it doesn't bode well that Mosley doesn't think much of his PG skills. The Magic are 26th out of 30 teams in APG, so if Black could help us in that category, he presumably would.

Disagreeing here. Black was pretty much seen as a top pick, especially for his point guard skills back in college. Yeah, transitioning to the NBA's a tough gig, especially on offense, but the dude's already showing solid defense against some tough opponents. Offense takes time, especially for point guards, and history's full of late bloomers who turned into legends.

As for the Magic's assist numbers, it's too simple to pin that on one rookie. Basketball's a team game, and those numbers reflect a lot more than just one player's contribution. Give Black some time. It's way too early to call him a bad pick based on a single rookie season. Defense matters, and he's delivering there. Let's see how he grows.

Many peoples leader boards had the twins and then Black and then everyone else after Wemby / Scoot / Miller....where is this whimsical better player? I for one, between the twins and Black am happy with what we got.

The biggest issue with Black is in a perfect world he was collecting DNP-CD's until he literally outplays everyone else. Even Suggs to an extent.

edit : https://hoopsdistillery.com/2023-mockdraftcomp-vs-actual/

Of the 8 mocks listed, he was 5 out of 8 for the 6th pick....

He was projected as high as 4th once and as low as 8th 2x.

Unless hindsight being 20/20 is being deployed here, which isn't supposed to be the way you judge a pick so to speak this early on.

Yeah, it was always Wemby, Scoot, Miller, Amen, [Black, Ausar, Jarace].