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Audi wrote:ibraheim718 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
You are putting too much emphasis on what coaches are doing. Games are won in the front office. Not on the sidelines yelling to put your hands up on defense.
Nah.. I'm talking about 4 minutes in one game. His decision to ride Cole almost back fired. To think that Chicago had a shot to win that game is embarrassing.
What's the alternative you are suggesting? AB? Because I'm pretty sure Suggs was hobbled and Fultz is crippled.
Knightro wrote:Look no further than our old buddy Frank Vogel.
He has a good team in Indiana and he reaches the ECF.
He has a bad team in Orlando and goes 25-57.
He has a good team in Los Angeles and wins a championship.
He has a good team in Phoenix and they are 31-22.
Did he magically (no pun intended) just forget how to coach basketball in the two years he was with Orlando? Or did they simply have a lousy roster and that's why they lost so much more compared to every other spot he's ever been in?
Knightro wrote:Look no further than our old buddy Frank Vogel.
He has a good team in Indiana and he reaches the ECF.
He has a bad team in Orlando and goes 25-57.
He has a good team in Los Angeles and wins a championship.
He has a good team in Phoenix and they are 31-22.
Did he magically (no pun intended) just forget how to coach basketball in the two years he was with Orlando? Or did they simply have a lousy roster and that's why they lost so much more compared to every other spot he's ever been in?
ibraheim718 wrote:I counter with Doc Rivers.
I personally think Vogel is a decent coach.
So what's Doc Rivers excuse for going 1-11 in game 7's?
He's just unlucky and didn't have good players?
JF5 wrote:If anyone saw the end of the game. I think it's obvious why Goga doesn't play as much. That was great defense. But good lord that offense was just so bad with him on the court. You put him on a team like the Suns or Kings he'd look so much better.
shadrock wrote:JF5 wrote:If anyone saw the end of the game. I think it's obvious why Goga doesn't play as much. That was great defense. But good lord that offense was just so bad with him on the court. You put him on a team like the Suns or Kings he'd look so much better.
We dont need a ball dominant Center on offence. What we need is someone who screens hard, who can rebound well, and who can catch lobs. Goga does all this much better than WCJ.
shadrock wrote:JF5 wrote:If anyone saw the end of the game. I think it's obvious why Goga doesn't play as much. That was great defense. But good lord that offense was just so bad with him on the court. You put him on a team like the Suns or Kings he'd look so much better.
We dont need a ball dominant Center on offence. What we need is someone who screens hard, who can rebound well, and who can catch lobs. Goga does all this much better than WCJ.
JF5 wrote:shadrock wrote:JF5 wrote:If anyone saw the end of the game. I think it's obvious why Goga doesn't play as much. That was great defense. But good lord that offense was just so bad with him on the court. You put him on a team like the Suns or Kings he'd look so much better.
We dont need a ball dominant Center on offence. What we need is someone who screens hard, who can rebound well, and who can catch lobs. Goga does all this much better than WCJ.
Wendell shoots 7.7 shots a game.... Where does ball dominate come from? That's 5th on the team.
Why in these replies posters are so enamored with rolling struggle offenses? This team is 23rd in offensive rating and 25th and scoring and you want to compound that with guys who cannot generate any sort of offense except the occasional layup/putback shot or occasional spot up 3?
Statistically and the majority of the time there is a neglible difference defensively as the defense is still a top 5 regardless of Carter or Bitadze. The difference is offensively as at least Carter can stretch the floor, have the occasional midrange jumpshot, and post game. An actual offensive threat that other teams need to worry about when they double Paolo/Franz.
Yeah, our offense is a work in progress. Franz and Paolo will anchor it as high usage starters, and on the margins our 3rd option efficiency and floor spacing from 4th/5th options will make it easier for our starting lineup to play good offense. Improving the offensive fire power in the rotation will also be a critical path to improve the offense. We've got a long way to go.Bergmaniac wrote:JF5 wrote:shadrock wrote:
We dont need a ball dominant Center on offence. What we need is someone who screens hard, who can rebound well, and who can catch lobs. Goga does all this much better than WCJ.
Wendell shoots 7.7 shots a game.... Where does ball dominate come from? That's 5th on the team.
Why in these replies posters are so enamored with rolling struggle offenses? This team is 23rd in offensive rating and 25th and scoring and you want to compound that with guys who cannot generate any sort of offense except the occasional layup/putback shot or occasional spot up 3?
Statistically and the majority of the time there is a neglible difference defensively as the defense is still a top 5 regardless of Carter or Bitadze. The difference is offensively as at least Carter can stretch the floor, have the occasional midrange jumpshot, and post game. An actual offensive threat that other teams need to worry about when they double Paolo/Franz.
The offense has been quite bad the whole time Wendell has been in Orlando. His offensive rating numbers year by year are 100.4 (2020/21), 105.1 (2021/22), 110.5 (2022/23) and 109.6 (2023/24). These are Bottom 5 offense numbers every year. Not only his fault, obviously, and we were clearly tanking for a large portion of these seasons, but his solid individual numbers has never translated into a good offense or even a mediocre one by league standards. And in all but one of these seasons we had a higher offensive rating with him on the bench. Sure, he gives us a better spacing in theory, but most opponents still mostly ignore him on the three point line because he doesn't take many and his release is pretty slow. And what we gain from his spacing and made 3s we lose on the boards. The difference in offensive rebounding rate when he plays (26.8) compared to when he is on the bench (31.6) is quite big and explains why the offense is better this year when he sits even though we have a slightly higher TS% when he plays. And the difference in offensive rebounding rate is even bigger when Goga plays, the end result being that supposedly offensively deficient Goga has a much higher offensive rating than the offensive threat Carter.
Bergmaniac wrote:JF5 wrote:shadrock wrote:
We dont need a ball dominant Center on offence. What we need is someone who screens hard, who can rebound well, and who can catch lobs. Goga does all this much better than WCJ.
Wendell shoots 7.7 shots a game.... Where does ball dominate come from? That's 5th on the team.
Why in these replies posters are so enamored with rolling struggle offenses? This team is 23rd in offensive rating and 25th and scoring and you want to compound that with guys who cannot generate any sort of offense except the occasional layup/putback shot or occasional spot up 3?
Statistically and the majority of the time there is a neglible difference defensively as the defense is still a top 5 regardless of Carter or Bitadze. The difference is offensively as at least Carter can stretch the floor, have the occasional midrange jumpshot, and post game. An actual offensive threat that other teams need to worry about when they double Paolo/Franz.
The offense has been quite bad the whole time Wendell has been in Orlando. His offensive rating numbers year by year are 100.4 (2020/21), 105.1 (2021/22), 110.5 (2022/23) and 109.6 (2023/24). These are Bottom 5 offense numbers every year. Not only his fault, obviously, and we were clearly tanking for a large portion of these seasons, but his solid individual numbers has never translated into a good offense or even a mediocre one by league standards. And in all but one of these seasons we had a higher offensive rating with him on the bench. Sure, he gives us a better spacing in theory, but most opponents still mostly ignore him on the three point line because he doesn't take many and his release is pretty slow. And what we gain from his spacing and made 3s we lose on the boards. The difference in offensive rebounding rate when he plays (26.8) compared to when he is on the bench (31.6) is quite big and explains why the offense is better this year when he sits even though we have a slightly higher TS% when he plays. And the difference in offensive rebounding rate is even bigger when Goga plays, the end result being that supposedly offensively deficient Goga has a much higher offensive rating than the offensive threat Carter.
