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Post#61 » by BCS » Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:45 am

KillMonger wrote:People in these twitter spaces are tweaking man....they're talking about running it back....bringing back fultz and others on team friendly deals.....i'm done with fultz
If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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Post#62 » by Skybox » Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:04 pm

OnlyFranz22 wrote:Quickley/Garland/Spida


Re: Pick your UFA target(s)...None of them are UFAs
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Post#63 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:20 pm

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KillMonger wrote:People in these twitter spaces are tweaking man....they're talking about running it back....bringing back fultz and others on team friendly deals.....i'm done with fultz
If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG
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Post#64 » by RookieStar » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:42 pm

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BCS wrote:
KillMonger wrote:People in these twitter spaces are tweaking man....they're talking about running it back....bringing back fultz and others on team friendly deals.....i'm done with fultz
If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG


BUUUTTTTT.... a Monk , Suggs backcourt would work as well especially with the playmaking of PB or Franz.

I mean, we all hear the spiel of "positionless basketball".. why can't an offguard and a shootingguard work together with 2 playmaking forwards?
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Post#65 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:07 pm

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BCS wrote:If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG


BUUUTTTTT.... a Monk , Suggs backcourt would work as well especially with the playmaking of PB or Franz.

I mean, we all hear the spiel of "positionless basketball".. why can't an offguard and a shootingguard work together with 2 playmaking forwards?

positionless basketball only works with star players.
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Post#66 » by RichCollab » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:12 pm

tiderulz wrote:
BCS wrote:
KillMonger wrote:People in these twitter spaces are tweaking man....they're talking about running it back....bringing back fultz and others on team friendly deals.....i'm done with fultz
If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG


Monk is enough of a passer. Paolo and Franz will still be the main play makers.
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Post#67 » by basketballRob » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:21 pm

Derozan, JV, Hartenstein, Melton, or trade for Simons, Bruce Brown, or Brogdon

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Post#68 » by RookieStar » Wed Feb 14, 2024 11:39 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG


BUUUTTTTT.... a Monk , Suggs backcourt would work as well especially with the playmaking of PB or Franz.

I mean, we all hear the spiel of "positionless basketball".. why can't an offguard and a shootingguard work together with 2 playmaking forwards?

positionless basketball only works with star players.


Well... we are hoping PB becomes that no?
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Post#69 » by CocoaFan » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:59 am

fendilim wrote:Personally, I’d love to see a 1+1 deal offered to Conley and let go of Harris. I think Conley provides more veteran leadership, similar to what he is providing to the Wolves now.

But Gary Trent might be who we will look at, imo.

Monk is ok, but I think character issues and doesn’t really fit the archetype of players weham has targetted lately. Undersized decision makers doesn’t seem to be a thing for this management. 6’4” and above two-way players seem to be their M. O. lately.

Looking at their historical acquisition, it seems like only Cole doesn’t have the positional size advantage.

Claxton is an interesting choice as well, but it might cost us a sum of money. With WCJ on a cheap contract, plus Moe off the bench, I’m not sure how we can find playing time for claxton for the salary he will likely get.

I think JI is retained, and Fultz will likely be let go. This is based on how Mosley brought out the death lineup lately. I don’t think there will be room for Fultz anymore.
What are the character issues you've heard about Monk? I kind of had the same impression but everything I've read about him online says he's a leader on the team and the guy they look to to get them going and plays with an edge.
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Post#70 » by CocoaFan » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am

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fendilim wrote:Personally, I’d love to see a 1+1 deal offered to Conley and let go of Harris. I think Conley provides more veteran leadership, similar to what he is providing to the Wolves now.

Monk is ok, but I think character issues and doesn’t really fit the archetype of players weham has targetted lately. Undersized decision makers doesn’t seem to be a thing for this management. 6’4” and above two-way players seem to be their M. O. lately.


These are my picks. Conley is perfect for us and what we need from that role in the short term. I like Monk as a reliable scoring punch off the bench if he’s happy to stay a 6th man.

Suggs/Monk
Conley/Black

That’s a quality backcourt that still has opportunities for our young guys.
I think Monk would start at PG and give way to Black if he can win the job late. Monk's improved his playmaking and is up to 5.3 assists in 26 minutes. Worst case Monk is a better backup than Cole and would be a 6th man of the year candidate.
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Post#71 » by Residual-Heat » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:22 am

Kentavious Caldwell Pope to replace Harris? Would we be able to get both KCP and Monk? Maybe also add CP3 on a 1 year contract?

CP3/Monk/Black
Suggs/KCP
Franz/Ingles/Howard
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Post#72 » by Skybox » Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:08 am

After watching Achiuwa get double digit OFFENSIVE rebs last night, I might want to look at inexpensive UFA Drummond. He’s not that old and has been reliable…he’s a legit all-timer in rebounding. I’d even consider moving WCJ to the bench (in a significant role at 5/4) or even moving him in a backcourt upgrade trade as he should have more value to another team than to ORL. If Isaac proves healthy…I’m getting him C minutes and even more likely to move WCJ.

I really like Kyle Anderson - if not crazy expensive…he’s like a bigger Ingles out there, essentially another PG in a PF body.

Biggest need is a backcourt scorer, preferably PG, but this is likely to better dealt with in a big trade…if we picked up Drummond and Slo-Mo, and Isaac remains ambulatory (and, therefore, on the payroll)…I’d definitely look to move WCJ, Cole, etc in conjunction with cap space & picks for the guard we need. My favorites (other than any BIG names that become available after unexpected playoff flameouts…Booker? Garland? Unlikely but…) are still Simons, Herro, Murray). If we’re strictly talking UFA’s…I guess Monk is the most potentially “ready for the spotlight” get out there.

Maybe the price for GTJ, Beasley, Kennard or Grayson Allen has dropped to the point where it’d make sense.

Drummond/Isaac/M. Wagner
Paolo/Anderson/Isaac
…is an interesting frontcourt without breaking the bank. Slo-Mo could even run with Paolo & Franz. His production is down this season, but he’s historically a rock-solid 2-way guy. Might welcome a new environment.
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Post#73 » by cedric76 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:58 pm

We need to think of P5 like lebron, p5 and Franz r our playmaker

P5+Franz+suggs can handle the ball

We just need a 2 way guard that can shoot the 3
Draft Carter
Sign monk
Trade Cole for a forward
Let chuma+fultz go
Offer Harris and goga a 1+1 deal

unleash Jett next seaon

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Post#74 » by KillMonger » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:15 pm

cedric76 wrote:We need to think of P5 like lebron, p5 and Franz r our playmaker

P5+Franz+suggs can handle the ball

We just need a 2 way guard that can shoot the 3

essentially we need a PG that can set the table like fultz can but can also be an offball threat unlike fultz....with paolo and franz taking on more of the playmaking load we need a PG that can catch and shoot, not catch and drive into an already crowed paint....looking at this free agent crop coming up? i'm hoping someone becomes available via trade most of the free agent guards not really exciting me but there are a few that fit the bare minimum of what we need out of the pg position for this team....
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Post#75 » by cedric76 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:41 pm

KillMonger wrote:
cedric76 wrote:We need to think of P5 like lebron, p5 and Franz r our playmaker

P5+Franz+suggs can handle the ball

We just need a 2 way guard that can shoot the 3

essentially we need a PG that can set the table like fultz can but can also be an offball threat unlike fultz....with paolo and franz taking on more of the playmaking load we need a PG that can catch and shoot, not catch and drive into an already crowed paint....looking at this free agent crop coming up? i'm hoping someone becomes available via trade most of the free agent guards not really exciting me but there are a few that fit the bare minimum of what we need out of the pg position for this team....


Someone like suggs;-)
Draft Carter
Sign monk
Trade Cole for a forward
Let chuma+fultz go
Offer Harris and goga a 1+1 deal

unleash Jett next seaon

Go Magic

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Monk, Jett, Harris
Franz, Jett, Houstan
Paolo, Moe, (Cole trade)
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Post#76 » by Bergmaniac » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:52 pm

cedric76 wrote:We need to think of P5 like lebron, p5 and Franz r our playmaker

P5+Franz+suggs can handle the ball

Neither of them is anywhere near LeBron's level as a playmaker and is unlikely to ever approach it. No knock on them, but LeBron is one of the greatest playmakers of all time and I don't see such potential in our guys.

And in the playoffs having more ballhandling is almost always better. So I would prefer a traditional PG who can shoot to a shooting guard. Paolo and Franz will still handle the ball a lot but I don't think relying just on them for ballhandling and playmaking is that good of an idea. A younger version of Mike Conley would have been a great fit for that role. Or a healthy Brogdon.
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Post#77 » by tiderulz » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:11 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
cedric76 wrote:We need to think of P5 like lebron, p5 and Franz r our playmaker

P5+Franz+suggs can handle the ball

Neither of them is anywhere near LeBron's level as a playmaker and is unlikely to ever approach it. No knock on them, but LeBron is one of the greatest playmakers of all time and I don't see such potential in our guys.

And in the playoffs having more ballhandling is almost always better. So I would prefer a traditional PG who can shoot to a shooting guard. Paolo and Franz will still handle the ball a lot but I don't think relying just on them for ballhandling and playmaking is that good of an idea. A younger version of Mike Conley would have been a great fit for that role. Or a healthy Brogdon.

plus, having more capable ball handlers only helps
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Post#78 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:22 pm

tiderulz wrote:
BCS wrote:
KillMonger wrote:People in these twitter spaces are tweaking man....they're talking about running it back....bringing back fultz and others on team friendly deals.....i'm done with fultz
If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG


Monk is actually putting up decent assist numbers this year.. quite similar to Simons, who a lot of people want to try at PG on this team. It’s possible Monk could work out as a PG here
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Post#79 » by fendilim » Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:49 pm

CocoaFan wrote:
fendilim wrote:Personally, I’d love to see a 1+1 deal offered to Conley and let go of Harris. I think Conley provides more veteran leadership, similar to what he is providing to the Wolves now.

But Gary Trent might be who we will look at, imo.

Monk is ok, but I think character issues and doesn’t really fit the archetype of players weham has targetted lately. Undersized decision makers doesn’t seem to be a thing for this management. 6’4” and above two-way players seem to be their M. O. lately.

Looking at their historical acquisition, it seems like only Cole doesn’t have the positional size advantage.

Claxton is an interesting choice as well, but it might cost us a sum of money. With WCJ on a cheap contract, plus Moe off the bench, I’m not sure how we can find playing time for claxton for the salary he will likely get.

I think JI is retained, and Fultz will likely be let go. This is based on how Mosley brought out the death lineup lately. I don’t think there will be room for Fultz anymore.
What are the character issues you've heard about Monk? I kind of had the same impression but everything I've read about him online says he's a leader on the team and the guy they look to to get them going and plays with an edge.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/hornets-malik-monk-suspended-indefinitely-for-violating-nbas-anti-drug-program/amp/
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Post#80 » by fendilim » Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:50 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
BCS wrote:If Fultz is unwilling to shoot and be aggressive, he unfortunately can't be the starter, that is a fact. Now, he is still better than Cole, so if we move away from Fultz we better be moving away from Cole and upgrading the backup PG.

I personally am ok with moving Cole and signing Fultz to be the backup for a reasonable price. I'd then sign Monk to add much needed more consistent scoring punch but also not a liability defensively. Either way, priority one is get rid of Fools Gold Cole.

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as you pointed out, we need upgrade at PG. Monk is not a PG


Monk is actually putting up decent assist numbers this year.. quite similar to Simons, who a lot of people want to try at PG on this team. It’s possible Monk could work out as a PG here

Monk would be a decent get, but ideally as a 6th man. We’ll have to move Cole, to accommodate Monk, imo.
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