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Max Power wrote:It’s a shame things have regressed with Markelle this season. Last year he looked to finally have cleared the hurdles of the shoulder issue and played great while providing this young team some leadership.
Bergmaniac wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Would like to see him in Utah for a season and see.
If Ainge wants Utah to tank next season, you may get your wish.He'd a be a great tank commander.
His jumpshot is completely gone (he used to be a good midrange shooter, now he just refuses to shoot from outside 12 feet and his jumpshot has a horrible hitch) and he just can't get to the line at all this season despite being an athletic slasher who takes 80% of his shots in the paint. He has taken 16 FTs in total in 21 games this season.
JazzUte88 wrote:Jiwol wrote:You obviously don't know too much about Magic basketball. MF is our best back court option and is setting himself up for extention this off-season. Our front office has his 3 year 36 million contact already prepared in a drawer. What's not to like about his game?
I’d love to see Fultz get more minutes! Just seems like he’s struggling with his shot lately again, if people remember he averaged 12/3/5 on a playoff team, not trying to be mean just being honest, it’s part of it I guess.
It’s a bit disappointing not seeing him score 12 a game like he usually has in Orlando.
Would like to see him in Utah for a season and see.
Bergmaniac wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Would like to see him in Utah for a season and see.
If Ainge wants Utah to tank next season, you may get your wish.
His jumpshot is completely gone (he used to be a good midrange shooter, now he just refuses to shoot from outside 12 feet and his jumpshot has a horrible hitch) and he just can't get to the line at all this season despite being an athletic slasher who takes 80% of his shots in the paint. He has taken 16 FTs in total in 21 games this season.
eyriq wrote:You are tenaciously pursuing this question across different threads and now here. He's damaged goods, injury prone, and injured. Same answer no matter how often you ask.
JazzUte88 wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Would like to see him in Utah for a season and see.
If Ainge wants Utah to tank next season, you may get your wish.
His jumpshot is completely gone (he used to be a good midrange shooter, now he just refuses to shoot from outside 12 feet and his jumpshot has a horrible hitch) and he just can't get to the line at all this season despite being an athletic slasher who takes 80% of his shots in the paint. He has taken 16 FTs in total in 21 games this season.
Fultz would be the best FA option to sign for a season while they’re developing players & maybe wanting another good draft pick while not blatantly tanking. Who knows if he could find his shot again with a new team probably not?
I’d rather have new old bad Fultz for 8-10 points a game over Kris Dunn still…….it’s a shame because when his 3 & outside jumper is decent he’s good for 12-15 a game.
p0peye wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:If Ainge wants Utah to tank next season, you may get your wish.
His jumpshot is completely gone (he used to be a good midrange shooter, now he just refuses to shoot from outside 12 feet and his jumpshot has a horrible hitch) and he just can't get to the line at all this season despite being an athletic slasher who takes 80% of his shots in the paint. He has taken 16 FTs in total in 21 games this season.
Fultz would be the best FA option to sign for a season while they’re developing players & maybe wanting another good draft pick while not blatantly tanking. Who knows if he could find his shot again with a new team probably not?
I’d rather have new old bad Fultz for 8-10 points a game over Kris Dunn still…….it’s a shame because when his 3 & outside jumper is decent he’s good for 12-15 a game.
Markelle will be a star in Utah, if you can get him. Hypothetically speaking if we plan to tank next season, we would have to deal him in sign and trade, what would Jazz offer?
JazzUte88 wrote:eyriq wrote:You are tenaciously pursuing this question across different threads and now here. He's damaged goods, injury prone, and injured. Same answer no matter how often you ask.
It’s one of the weirdest stories in sports because how well he has done other things & he’s the #1 pick that shows flashes of brilliance if he wasn’t picked that high. His shot is terrible some nights, it’s strange.
JazzUte88 wrote:p0peye wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:
Fultz would be the best FA option to sign for a season while they’re developing players & maybe wanting another good draft pick while not blatantly tanking. Who knows if he could find his shot again with a new team probably not?
I’d rather have new old bad Fultz for 8-10 points a game over Kris Dunn still…….it’s a shame because when his 3 & outside jumper is decent he’s good for 12-15 a game.
Markelle will be a star in Utah, if you can get him. Hypothetically speaking if we plan to tank next season, we would have to deal him in sign and trade, what would Jazz offer?
Utah will just sign him on a team friendly deal, Markelle Fultz is still a player I bet teams are interested in for 5-10 million, but not on expensive long term deals.
Maybe Utah can get him back to a 10-12 points per game point guard. He was averaging 11/3/4 before the knee injury.
JazzUte88 wrote:tiderulz wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:It’s pretty weird what’s going on with Fultz again.
He had a really good 2022-23 year averaging 14/4/6 on 51%/31% 3 last season.
Starts this 2023-24 season looking kinda average but still scoring 10-12 PPG, then gets knee tendinitis and/or TOS again, and we’ve seen he’s been kinda bad sometimes with his shot, it’s been a struggle to see.
8/4/4 player with a broken shot at best has relegated him to role player status instead of a decent PG.
What’s the deal in practice and warm ups? Has anyone followed what’s going on? Is this knee tendinitis or TOS again or both?
i dont know about you, but that isnt even close to a "really good" season to me
Fultz was decent last season. The rest of the team kinda sucked last year.
bigdogdylan5 wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Jiwol wrote:You obviously don't know too much about Magic basketball. MF is our best back court option and is setting himself up for extention this off-season. Our front office has his 3 year 36 million contact already prepared in a drawer. What's not to like about his game?
I’d love to see Fultz get more minutes! Just seems like he’s struggling with his shot lately again, if people remember he averaged 12/3/5 on a playoff team, not trying to be mean just being honest, it’s part of it I guess.
It’s a bit disappointing not seeing him score 12 a game like he usually has in Orlando.
Would like to see him in Utah for a season and see.
But it’s not struggling in the sense he is just off right? After his TOS surgery he changed his shot for lack of a better phrase take pressure off that area. He relied on his legs. So when his knee started flaring just a little the shot just went haywire. During shoot arounds he had the biggest hitch you could imagine. I have been to 5-6 games where he has played and I can’t watch him in shoot around it’s that bad…. I believe it was injuries but regardless if it’s injury or yips doesn’t matter the guy can’t and shouldn’t shoot. He could theoretically work if you have like 3 or 4 shooters in the 2-5 spots but I wouldn’t count on it. Everything else he does really well. That’s just not what this team wants to be. Our best action according to second spectrum is Franz iso. We want to run most of our stuff through Paolo long term. What we need from our PG is shooting with occasional ball handling relief for our two forwards. Fultz is the exact opposite then what we need.
We improved by +12 wins largely because of Paolo and Franz. Full stop. If you think Fultz was a key driver you are sadly mistaken.JazzUte88 wrote:tiderulz wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:It’s pretty weird what’s going on with Fultz again.
He had a really good 2022-23 year averaging 14/4/6 on 51%/31% 3 last season.
Starts this 2023-24 season looking kinda average but still scoring 10-12 PPG, then gets knee tendinitis and/or TOS again, and we’ve seen he’s been kinda bad sometimes with his shot, it’s been a struggle to see.
8/4/4 player with a broken shot at best has relegated him to role player status instead of a decent PG.
What’s the deal in practice and warm ups? Has anyone followed what’s going on? Is this knee tendinitis or TOS again or both?
i dont know about you, but that isnt even close to a "really good" season to me
Fultz was decent last season. The rest of the team kinda sucked last year.
I love youp0peye wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:If Ainge wants Utah to tank next season, you may get your wish.He'd a be a great tank commander.
His jumpshot is completely gone (he used to be a good midrange shooter, now he just refuses to shoot from outside 12 feet and his jumpshot has a horrible hitch) and he just can't get to the line at all this season despite being an athletic slasher who takes 80% of his shots in the paint. He has taken 16 FTs in total in 21 games this season.
Fultz would be the best FA option to sign for a season while they’re developing players & maybe wanting another good draft pick while not blatantly tanking. Who knows if he could find his shot again with a new team probably not?
I’d rather have new old bad Fultz for 8-10 points a game over Kris Dunn still…….it’s a shame because when his 3 & outside jumper is decent he’s good for 12-15 a game.
Markelle will be a star in Utah, if you can get him. Hypothetically speaking if we plan to tank next season, we would have to deal him in sign and trade, what would Jazz offer? As you correctly pointed out, 'Kelle is better than Dunn and Caruso, so for example you'd have to beat Bulls offer of Caruso + 1st round pick.
p0peye wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:Bergmaniac wrote:If Ainge wants Utah to tank next season, you may get your wish.
His jumpshot is completely gone (he used to be a good midrange shooter, now he just refuses to shoot from outside 12 feet and his jumpshot has a horrible hitch) and he just can't get to the line at all this season despite being an athletic slasher who takes 80% of his shots in the paint. He has taken 16 FTs in total in 21 games this season.
Fultz would be the best FA option to sign for a season while they’re developing players & maybe wanting another good draft pick while not blatantly tanking. Who knows if he could find his shot again with a new team probably not?
I’d rather have new old bad Fultz for 8-10 points a game over Kris Dunn still…….it’s a shame because when his 3 & outside jumper is decent he’s good for 12-15 a game.
Markelle will be a star in Utah, if you can get him. Hypothetically speaking if we plan to tank next season, we would have to deal him in sign and trade, what would Jazz offer? As you correctly pointed out, 'Kelle is better than Dunn and Caruso, so for example you'd have to beat Bulls offer of Caruso + 1st round pick.
Knightro wrote:Max Power wrote:It’s a shame things have regressed with Markelle this season. Last year he looked to finally have cleared the hurdles of the shoulder issue and played great while providing this young team some leadership.
This is a pretty big misnomer. He wasn't "great" last year by any means. He just wasn't horrible.
He was, by basically any metric, a below average starter.
drsd wrote:p0peye wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:
Fultz would be the best FA option to sign for a season while they’re developing players & maybe wanting another good draft pick while not blatantly tanking. Who knows if he could find his shot again with a new team probably not?
I’d rather have new old bad Fultz for 8-10 points a game over Kris Dunn still…….it’s a shame because when his 3 & outside jumper is decent he’s good for 12-15 a game.
Markelle will be a star in Utah, if you can get him. Hypothetically speaking if we plan to tank next season, we would have to deal him in sign and trade, what would Jazz offer? As you correctly pointed out, 'Kelle is better than Dunn and Caruso, so for example you'd have to beat Bulls offer of Caruso + 1st round pick.
Taylor Hendricks and his sub-9 PER stands out as a SnT option for Orlando. I can't think Fultz will command more than the ~6M per that this swap would generate in salary exchange. For Orlando, the Magic get Okeke's replacement in Hendricks. Why not? He's gotta be worth a look.
JoshuaPotter wrote:drsd wrote:p0peye wrote:
Markelle will be a star in Utah, if you can get him. Hypothetically speaking if we plan to tank next season, we would have to deal him in sign and trade, what would Jazz offer? As you correctly pointed out, 'Kelle is better than Dunn and Caruso, so for example you'd have to beat Bulls offer of Caruso + 1st round pick.
Taylor Hendricks and his sub-9 PER stands out as a SnT option for Orlando. I can't think Fultz will command more than the ~6M per that this swap would generate in salary exchange. For Orlando, the Magic get Okeke's replacement in Hendricks. Why not? He's gotta be worth a look.
Sign me up. I saw Taylor Hendricks as a potential Isaac clone years down the line. We do need a replacement for his minutes. So it works for me.
We also free up time for the ALL Anthony all the time PG play.
pepe1991 wrote:bigdogdylan5 wrote:JazzUte88 wrote:
I’d love to see Fultz get more minutes! Just seems like he’s struggling with his shot lately again, if people remember he averaged 12/3/5 on a playoff team, not trying to be mean just being honest, it’s part of it I guess.
It’s a bit disappointing not seeing him score 12 a game like he usually has in Orlando.
Would like to see him in Utah for a season and see.
But it’s not struggling in the sense he is just off right? After his TOS surgery he changed his shot for lack of a better phrase take pressure off that area. He relied on his legs. So when his knee started flaring just a little the shot just went haywire. During shoot arounds he had the biggest hitch you could imagine. I have been to 5-6 games where he has played and I can’t watch him in shoot around it’s that bad…. I believe it was injuries but regardless if it’s injury or yips doesn’t matter the guy can’t and shouldn’t shoot. He could theoretically work if you have like 3 or 4 shooters in the 2-5 spots but I wouldn’t count on it. Everything else he does really well. That’s just not what this team wants to be. Our best action according to second spectrum is Franz iso. We want to run most of our stuff through Paolo long term. What we need from our PG is shooting with occasional ball handling relief for our two forwards. Fultz is the exact opposite then what we need.
He never had TOS surgery tho.
Just did whole bunch of physical therapy
