2023-2024 Regular Season Game 65: Indiana Pacers (35-29) at Orlando Magic (37-27) - 6pm

[ibraheim718]

Wagner will be fine. His release is still too slow.. the mechanics of his shot just aren't very good. He's all arm when he shoots it. I would like to see some snap to his J also.

Catch pass, ball immediately to the right corner of his head above his eye.. immediately.. legs... snap. 500 repetitions a day. He can't do that during the season.. didn't do it during last off season. Next season he needs to dedicate himself to becoming a better shooter.

Team needs Suggs though. If they had him these past 2 games they're very different.

[DiplomaticMagic]

This team is going to get swept in the playoffs. Its a joke really.

That is if we make the playoffs, if we are the play-in, we'd probably lose.

This team lost every must win game this year and the effort has been just plain bad. I can imagine it being much worse in playoffs.

I mean realistically how far did you think this roster was going to go in a playoff scenario? For me when we made no moves at the deadline it squandered any hope of us maybe making some noise. This team as constructed just isn't viable for a series.... But for their growth they got to go through it, take the ass kicking to know they're not ready and what they need to do going forward

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Honestly i just wanted to make the actual playoffs, i never expected us to win a series. Especially after no trades at deadline like you said. But as we kept creeping up the standings, i thought maybe we could at least make noise or make it interesting.

Stupid but i was hoping we would win at least 2 games since the vuc led teams never did, but now i doubt we even win 1 game. A sweep would be pretty devastating.

[SOUL]

I feel like people go into seasons with low expectations and end them with high expectations lol.

We need Suggs back and just average guard play but we can easily still get in via playoffs. Everybody just needs to step it up.

[DaGawd]

knicks fan coming in peace.. but what the fk is wrong with franz??? he was one of the better players on my fantasy team for much of the season… now with fantasy playoffs starting he’s been a liability lately.. what gives!?

DaGawd is DaGawd. Did the Knicks trade Julius Randle at the deadline?

nope...and I've been seeing you post here often this season. ditched us for orlando huh?

[drsd]

Was there ever a game to rejuvenate the dunce cap poll???

Cole "Mr. Chucky McChuckerson" Anthony.
Caleb "Casper Invisibility" Houtsan
Anthony "I'm in the NBA?" Black
and
Gary "You want ME to start?!?!?!?" Harris


It is a joke. Orlando needs to revamp its guard rotation. G-Harris is not a starter quality and should be a rotational bench player. Black and Houstan are not rotational quality players. (Please stop with the "Black is the future" crap; PGs need to be able to dribble the ball. Kind of a key skill). Houstan is a deep rotational player, at best. And no team would aspire to have a player such as him; yeh he fills out a roster and is a good team-guy. But: so what. An G-Harris continues his "shoot only if I am 10-feet open" mindset to NBA ball.

None of this is OK.

I could write a paragraph on, If only the Magic had Fultz available, but I won't trigger pepe.

[SOUL]

Was there ever a game to rejuvenate the dunce cap poll???

Cole "Mr. Chucky McChuckerson" Anthony.
Caleb "Casper Invisibility" Houtsan
Anthony "I'm in the NBA?" Black
and
Gary "You want ME to start?!?!?!?" Harris


It is a joke. Orlando needs to revamp its guard rotation. G-Harris is not a starter quality and should be a rotational bench player. Black and Houstan are not rotational quality players. (Please stop with the "Black is the future" crap; PGs need to be able to dribble the ball. Kind of a key skill). Houstan is a deep rotational player, at best. And no team would aspire to have a player such as him; yeh he fills out a roster and is a good team-guy. But: so what. An G-Harris continues his "shoot only if I am 10-feet open" mindset to NBA ball.

None of this is OK.

I could write a paragraph on, If only the Magic had Fultz available, but I won't trigger pepe.

Replace Fultz with Suggs and this rant is great!

Also Paolo and Franz really set the tone for horrid play this game too. It has to start with them.

[pepe1991]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

[drsd]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

Amen brother.

Look this loss is on management for not having a meaningful guard rotation. With Mathurin out, the Magic should have had the better SG. But nope: G-Harris has another one of his "let's play 4 on 5" games. Yuck!

[pepe1991]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

Amen brother.

Look this loss is on management for not having a meaningful guard rotation. With Mathurin out, the Magic should have had the better SG. But nope: G-Harris has another one of his "let's play 4 on 5" games. Yuck!

Halftime up by 3, while Pacers shoot 1-11 for 3. I knew it will be hard to win. With 4 min to play in 3rd i figured game is over. Watched until the end but we were never really all that close.

T. J. McConnell outclassed all our guards.

[drsd]

Here's my box-score thought of the game:

It is not ok that Orlando's starting guards combined for only 5 FG attempts in a combined 50 minutes played. That is just wrong.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

We were expecting Franz average 3 point shooting that he’s had the last 2 years. We were not expecting a sniper. We just want Franz to be average by his standards.

[pepe1991]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

We were expecting Franz average 3 point shooting that he’s had the last 2 years. We were not expecting a sniper. We just want Franz to be average by his standards.

Players in year 3 sometimes do have dramatic dips or upticks , it's not that uncommon, it's just feels better when player in year 3 shoots much better than in past, but there is no reason to overreact.

Kuminga year 1 : 33,6% for 3, year 2- 37%, year 3 -30%.
Moody year 1: 36,4%, year 2 - 36%- year 3- 32,7%

Those are all still young players and lack consistancy, and shooting for vast majority of nba players, aside from ultra elite ones, is streaky.
For example Trey Murphey (again, 3rd year player) one month shot 29% for 3, one month 34% and guy literally just made feraking 32 -threee point shots in past 6 games on 49%

That crazy performances skyrocketed his percentage from 34% for a season to 38%.

Franz will be fine. Our offense sucks mostly because our guards are dreadful at most basic things.

[basketballRob]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

We were expecting Franz average 3 point shooting that he’s had the last 2 years. We were not expecting a sniper. We just want Franz to be average by his standards.

He's basically like his brother. Moe shoots 82% from the line and 32% from 3 for his career. Moe and Franz are currently the worst 3-pt shooters on the team.

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[pepe1991]

People just have unrealistic expetations from Franz ESPECIALLY about 3 point shooting. He was never projected to be some sniper 3 point shooter, he just had two very good ( league's average) seasons in terms of shooting.

His shooting motion is bit strange, he needs lot of time to load a shot and his arch is flat. He will probably rework some of mechanics over time but guy is 22-23 years old 20+ ppg player who has nice all around game.
Last month he averaged 21,5 ppg on 15 shots. That's efficient, even with bricks from 3.

We were expecting Franz average 3 point shooting that he’s had the last 2 years. We were not expecting a sniper. We just want Franz to be average by his standards.

He's basically like his brother. Moe shoots 82% from the line and 32% from 3 for his career. Moe and Franz are currently the worst 3-pt shooters on the team.

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They are not, but okey. Mortiz belogns in "our average shooters " where league's average shooters sit at 36%

[basketballRob]

We were expecting Franz average 3 point shooting that he’s had the last 2 years. We were not expecting a sniper. We just want Franz to be average by his standards.

He's basically like his brother. Moe shoots 82% from the line and 32% from 3 for his career. Moe and Franz are currently the worst 3-pt shooters on the team.

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They are not, but okey. Mortiz belogns in "our average shooters " where league's average shooters sit at 36%

Moritz is shooting less than 32% from 3. You can lump Cole into the worst shooters on the team.

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[pepe1991]

He's basically like his brother. Moe shoots 82% from the line and 32% from 3 for his career. Moe and Franz are currently the worst 3-pt shooters on the team.[/b]

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They are not, but okey. Mortiz belogns in "our average shooters " where league's average shooters sit at 36%

Moritz is shooting less than 32% from 3.

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Look at table, 31,9% for 3 makes him 9th best shooter on a team

[basketballRob]

They are not, but okey. Mortiz belogns in "our average shooters " where league's average shooters sit at 36%

Moritz is shooting less than 32% from 3.

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Look at table, 31,9% for 3 makes him 9th best shooter on a team

You are trying to compare him to end of the bench players that have only a few FGA.

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[pepe1991]

Moritz is shooting less than 32% from 3.

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Look at table, 31,9% for 3 makes him 9th best shooter on a team

You are trying to compare him to end of the bench players that have only a few FGA.

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Cole, Okeke, Fultz are rotation players.

[drsd]

I could write a paragraph on, If only the Magic had Fultz available, but I won't trigger pepe.

Replace Fultz with Suggs and this rant is great!

But that doesn't trigger pepe. So what's the point

[SOUL]

All our guys are either low volume or cant shoot. Suggs is the only one I trust that it goes in semi-regularly which is crazy to say from 2 years ago