Y'all are clowns who say bad stuff about Franz lol

[Bergmaniac]

Unpopular opinion, i still don't think Paolo surpassed Franz in terms of "best Magic player" label.

Paolo stuffs stat sheet and made it to allstar game, but Franz makes our offense somewhat funcional and is majort factor on defense given he is very mobile & agile for 6'10 person , by doing so , we don't allow missmatches.

Paolo is simply more popular due 1# selection, better all around counting numbers etc but we are 9-1 in games when Franz scores 28 or more points. In same time, among 10 best scoring performances of Paolo, we are are 5-5 in them.

Jury is still out on weather Paolo will be more efficient once we get actual funcional PG, or he will be more of a Randle type where guy puts some 25-12-5 but teams continue to play better without him due simply more fluidity & less 55% TS volumen he would occupy.

As for shooting... Goes without saying he needs to at least return to rookie- sophmore season

I agree.

Paolo is getting overrated due to being the number one option with the highest PPG on a subpar offensive team which wins mostly thanks to its defence.

Franz may have a smaller "bag" on offense but he is more disciplined and smart in his shot selection and as a result even in a year he's shooting terribly from 3 his efficiency is significantly higher than Paolo's on only slightly lower volume. Paolo probably still has had an overall advantage on offense due to his advantage in passing, clutch scoring and drawing more defensive attention, but the gap is really not that big. When Paolo is not on the court and Franz is playing we don't see any significant drop statistically.

And defensively Franz is just much better for now and a major reason we are so good on that end.

In impact stats Franz is way ahead of Paolo this year.

[tiderulz]

This is execlly why players complain about 65 games play to win awards.

thats such a small number though

You have to play 20 minutes in 65 games, not average 20 mpg.

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my point remains, 65 games is not a giant number to play

[tiderulz]

Unpopular opinion, i still don't think Paolo surpassed Franz in terms of "best Magic player" label.

Paolo stuffs stat sheet and made it to allstar game, but Franz makes our offense somewhat funcional and is majort factor on defense given he is very mobile & agile for 6'10 person , by doing so , we don't allow missmatches.

Paolo is simply more popular due 1# selection, better all around counting numbers etc but we are 9-1 in games when Franz scores 28 or more points. In same time, among 10 best scoring performances of Paolo, we are are 5-5 in them.

Jury is still out on weather Paolo will be more efficient once we get actual funcional PG, or he will be more of a Randle type where guy puts some 25-12-5 but teams continue to play better without him due simply more fluidity & less 55% TS volumen he would occupy.

As for shooting... Goes without saying he needs to at least return to rookie- sophmore season

i dont think either can carry a team, but i think Paolo has a bit more overall skill than Franz does. I think the team misses Paolo not in the lineup more than Franz, but with the talent on the team right now, it needs both of them

[tiderulz]

Unpopular opinion, i still don't think Paolo surpassed Franz in terms of "best Magic player" label.

Paolo stuffs stat sheet and made it to allstar game, but Franz makes our offense somewhat funcional and is majort factor on defense given he is very mobile & agile for 6'10 person , by doing so , we don't allow missmatches.

Paolo is simply more popular due 1# selection, better all around counting numbers etc but we are 9-1 in games when Franz scores 28 or more points. In same time, among 10 best scoring performances of Paolo, we are are 5-5 in them.

Jury is still out on weather Paolo will be more efficient once we get actual funcional PG, or he will be more of a Randle type where guy puts some 25-12-5 but teams continue to play better without him due simply more fluidity & less 55% TS volumen he would occupy.

As for shooting... Goes without saying he needs to at least return to rookie- sophmore season

I agree.

Paolo is getting overrated due to being the number one option with the highest PPG on a subpar offensive team which wins mostly thanks to its defence.

Franz may have a smaller "bag" on offense but he is more disciplined and smart in his shot selection and as a result even in a year he's shooting terribly from 3 his efficiency is significantly higher than Paolo's on only slightly lower volume. Paolo probably still has had an overall advantage on offense due to his advantage in passing, clutch scoring and drawing more defensive attention, but the gap is really not that big. When Paolo is not on the court and Franz is playing we don't see any significant drop statistically.

And defensively Franz is just much better for now and a major reason we are so good on that end.

In impact stats Franz is way ahead of Paolo this year.

Franz also isnt seeing most of the defensive attention too. Franz also a year older, played on more national teams and more used to coaching to play a role, also played pro in Germany before college for a couple of years.

I dont think Paolo is getting overrated.

[eyriq]

Anyone that doubts Paolo needs to go rewatch that second West Coast trip

[KillMonger]

Anyone that doubts Paolo needs to go rewatch that second West Coast trip

P5 proved he has it in him, just hasn't taken his leap yet.... For Tatum it was year 3 or 4.... Jaylen brown year 4....ant edwards this year his 4th year..... Its going to take a bit more time, you know he's going to put in the work

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[Skin]

Says the low iq poster

MagicMatic attacking a guy who has a different opinion. Nothing new here. He is the one saying Suggs is our second best player above Franz so I'd like to hear him defend his stance instead of attacking another poster.

When did I say this? lol

On any given night Suggs is our 2nd or 3rd best player. What does that have to do with Franz? I actually said all offseason and early in the season Franz is our best player.

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

[basketballRob]

MagicMatic attacking a guy who has a different opinion. Nothing new here. He is the one saying Suggs is our second best player above Franz so I'd like to hear him defend his stance instead of attacking another poster.

When did I say this? lol

On any given night Suggs is our 2nd or 3rd best player. What does that have to do with Franz? I actually said all offseason and early in the season Franz is our best player.

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

He can still be a Jrue Holiday or Chauncey Billups. Both were the 3rd star on championship teams.

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[Skin]

When did I say this? lol

On any given night Suggs is our 2nd or 3rd best player. What does that have to do with Franz? I actually said all offseason and early in the season Franz is our best player.

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

He can still be a Jrue Holiday or Chauncey Billups. Both were the 3rd star on championship teams.

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3rd is fair "on any given night".

[MagicMatic]

MagicMatic attacking a guy who has a different opinion. Nothing new here. He is the one saying Suggs is our second best player above Franz so I'd like to hear him defend his stance instead of attacking another poster.

When did I say this? lol

On any given night Suggs is our 2nd or 3rd best player. What does that have to do with Franz? I actually said all offseason and early in the season Franz is our best player.

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

Wow you are really coming after me on this one Skin “Dumb thoughts” like being upset I’m ranking players based on two-way impact. Spare me.

I mean.. Suggs for the last 5-10 games HAS been our best player MOST nights. Paolo has been trash and Franz has fallen off a cliff this season offensively.

I still think Franz is our BEST overall player. I said it before the season and I’m saying it now. Not sure what you want from me lol.

If I’m skeptical of anyone it’s Paolo. Does Jalen Suggs being good make you mad? Have any good crow recipes from those hot takes a season ago ? You and Stallion should make a cook book together.

[KillMonger]

Skeptical of Paolo in what sense? Was people skeptical of a 21 year old Dwight? "skeptical"? That's wild to me..... There is so many unknown factors and intangibles.... I'm at a loss

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[MagicMatic]

Skeptical of Paolo in what sense? Was people skeptical of a 21 year old Dwight? "skeptical"? That's wild to me..... There is so many unknown factors and intangibles.... I'm at a loss

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He’s good. I’m not saying he’s bad or a bust lol. Skeptical of him being a bonafide #1 option without needing an extremely specific roster behind him.

[KillMonger]

Skeptical of Paolo in what sense? Was people skeptical of a 21 year old Dwight? "skeptical"? That's wild to me..... There is so many unknown factors and intangibles.... I'm at a loss

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He’s good. I’m not saying he’s bad or a bust lol. Skeptical of him being a bonafide #1 option without needing an extremely specific roster behind him.

You do understand how nuanced that could be? For example Luka needs a specific roster, you know how many players came and went from Dallas just to see if they fit with him? I mean they shipped Brunson out of there.... Its hard for me to think of a #1 that doesn't need a roster that fits their playstyle and was like that early in their career..... I think it's too early, I'm sitting here laughing about the very idea of being skeptical about a player on the second year of their rookie deal.... But hey c'est la vie

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[eyriq]

Skeptical of Paolo in what sense? Was people skeptical of a 21 year old Dwight? "skeptical"? That's wild to me..... There is so many unknown factors and intangibles.... I'm at a loss

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He’s good. I’m not saying he’s bad or a bust lol. Skeptical of him being a bonafide #1 option without needing an extremely specific roster behind him.

You do understand how nuanced that could be? For example Luka needs a specific roster, you know how many players came and went from Dallas just to see if they fit with him? I mean they shipped Brunson out of there.... Its hard for me to think of a #1 that doesn't need a roster that fits their playstyle and was like that early in their career..... I think it's too early, I'm sitting here laughing about the very idea of being skeptical about a player on the second year of their rookie deal.... But hey c'est la vie

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I don't even want to validate the skepticism even though I respect the skeptics. His game is already advanced as a sophomore to the point that he could be a #2 on a playoff team. Swap him for Randle? KAT? Siakam? I don't think those offenses miss a beat. These are in their prime #2 options on playoff teams. Paolo is a sophomore and already in the B-Tier.

[Skin]

When did I say this? lol

On any given night Suggs is our 2nd or 3rd best player. What does that have to do with Franz? I actually said all offseason and early in the season Franz is our best player.

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

Wow you are really coming after me on this one Skin “Dumb thoughts” like being upset I’m ranking players based on two-way impact. Spare me.

I mean.. Suggs for the last 5-10 games HAS been our best player MOST nights. Paolo has been trash and Franz has fallen off a cliff this season offensively.

I still think Franz is our BEST overall player. I said it before the season and I’m saying it now. Not sure what you want from me lol.

If I’m skeptical of anyone it’s Paolo. Does Jalen Suggs being good make you mad? Have any good crow recipes from those hot takes a season ago ? You and Stallion should make a cook book together.

You make it easy to go after you because you love to attack people instead of debate topics. Posters like you make this place toxic because you keep getting away with it. I haven't posted here even close to the amount I used to. Just when I come back I see you still doing the same thing. Your act is old and tiring. Suggs is now ahead of Paolo? Waaat?!!! Hah

Not a hot take if it's still true. Suggs is a 6th man unless he has a star PG next him and he can settle into a solid role player role. Counting on him to be a #1 or #2 scoring option is hopeless. Give it up. If he's that then we're not winning a lit of games.

[MagicMatic]

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

Wow you are really coming after me on this one Skin “Dumb thoughts” like being upset I’m ranking players based on two-way impact. Spare me.

I mean.. Suggs for the last 5-10 games HAS been our best player MOST nights. Paolo has been trash and Franz has fallen off a cliff this season offensively.

I still think Franz is our BEST overall player. I said it before the season and I’m saying it now. Not sure what you want from me lol.

If I’m skeptical of anyone it’s Paolo. Does Jalen Suggs being good make you mad? Have any good crow recipes from those hot takes a season ago ? You and Stallion should make a cook book together.

You make it easy to go after you because you love to attack people instead of debate topics. Posters like you make this place toxic because you keep getting away with it. I haven't posted here even close to the amount I used to. Just when I come back I see you still doing the same thing. Your act is old and tiring. Suggs is now ahead of Paolo? Waaat?!!! Hah

Not a hot take if it's still true. Suggs is a 6th man unless he has a star PG next him and he can settle into a solid role player role. Counting on him to be a #1 or #2 scoring option is hopeless. Give it up. If he's that then we're not winning a lit of games.

Most of my posts these days are in game threads. I don’t think I’ve said anything that’s been a hot take at all.

Stick to the topic. I’m not going to debate people about Suggs. You either understand his value or don’t. It’s like being a twitter casual debating everyone’s top 10. Waste of time arguing with 10 year olds. You do understand that when I say something it requires context right? It’s not just some blanket statement without some kind of justification. You think Suggs is a sixth man for reasons in your head. Your sig has Jett Howard ahead of him. Lmao

Franz Wagner is the best player on this team and there are maybe 2-3 people that don’t like his game for whatever reason. That isn’t thread worthy lol.

As a matter of fact, I’ve never created a thread “calling out” people that I disagreed with once since I joined this forum. I reply to stupid comments.

Anyways.. I’m not sure why people are super down on Franz other than the fact that he hasn’t shot the ball well this season. He’s looked far more efficient than Paolo the last few weeks when he’s playing and everyone has claimed Paolo option #1 when in reality they are #1a and #1b. You just hope they develop their weaknesses considering they have been given their flowers early in their careers.

[fendilim]

MagicMatic attacking a guy who has a different opinion. Nothing new here. He is the one saying Suggs is our second best player above Franz so I'd like to hear him defend his stance instead of attacking another poster.

When did I say this? lol

On any given night Suggs is our 2nd or 3rd best player. What does that have to do with Franz? I actually said all offseason and early in the season Franz is our best player.

"On any given night" is a cop out... that's just another way of saying he's not consistently doing it so basically you shouldn't say it. That's like saying, "on any given night Cole Anthony is our best scorer" based of the fact that he lead our team in scoring against the Bucks. It's a dumb thought. Suggs never will be our second best player as long as Paolo and Franz are here.

Define best? Offense? Defense? Overall?


Cause there really are some ganes that Suggs did win us the game lol

[JF5]

Unpopular opinion, i still don't think Paolo surpassed Franz in terms of "best Magic player" label.

Paolo stuffs stat sheet and made it to allstar game, but Franz makes our offense somewhat funcional and is majort factor on defense given he is very mobile & agile for 6'10 person , by doing so , we don't allow missmatches.

Paolo is simply more popular due 1# selection, better all around counting numbers etc but we are 9-1 in games when Franz scores 28 or more points. In same time, among 10 best scoring performances of Paolo, we are are 5-5 in them.

Jury is still out on weather Paolo will be more efficient once we get actual funcional PG, or he will be more of a Randle type where guy puts some 25-12-5 but teams continue to play better without him due simply more fluidity & less 55% TS volumen he would occupy.

As for shooting... Goes without saying he needs to at least return to rookie- sophmore season

I agree.

Paolo is getting overrated due to being the number one option with the highest PPG on a subpar offensive team which wins mostly thanks to its defence.

Franz may have a smaller "bag" on offense but he is more disciplined and smart in his shot selection and as a result even in a year he's shooting terribly from 3 his efficiency is significantly higher than Paolo's on only slightly lower volume. Paolo probably still has had an overall advantage on offense due to his advantage in passing, clutch scoring and drawing more defensive attention, but the gap is really not that big. When Paolo is not on the court and Franz is playing we don't see any significant drop statistically.

And defensively Franz is just much better for now and a major reason we are so good on that end.

In impact stats Franz is way ahead of Paolo this year.

Paolo gets double teamed half the game while Franz has the occasional double teams ran at him.

I think that would indicate who is more impactful as a player since teams send all these body's in Paolo’s direction consistently.

Also to add it's not really helping his case that he's been terrible as a 3 point shooter, coupled with a lack of a midrange game whatsoever, and EXTREME tunnel vision once he gets to the rim.

Paolo is just better at all facets of the game offensively at the moment, outside of finishing really. Defensively Franz completely washes him.

As for Franz he was just slumping. Everyone goes through it...

[MagicMatic]

I’d also like to see some metric in ability to draw fouls between Paolo and Franz. For whatever reason (and maybe I’m completely wrong) it seems like Franz has had an easier time drawing them and getting to the line than Paolo recently.

[The-Stallion70]

I’d also like to see some metric in ability to draw fouls between Paolo and Franz. For whatever reason (and maybe I’m completely wrong) it seems like Franz has had an easier time drawing them and getting to the line than Paolo recently.

Just look at the fta in the **** boxscore there's your advanced metric