2024 NBA Playoffs Round 1 Game 2: (5) Orlando Magic at (4) Cleveland Cavaliers - Cavs up 1-0

[The-Stallion70]

I have a memory like an elephant. I remember you wanting him years ago.

He's not the only one...

Me on 7/26/23

Hartenstein played really well with the Clippers when he was allowed to do a lot of the dribble hand off/high post passing fulcrum stuff that the Magic do with Carter offensively. And he's a plus defender.

I don't think the Knicks used him as well as they could have and he would be better served here.

Me on 12/28/22

Just go get Hartenstein from the Knicks.

Me on 12/6/22

I'd glad give them any of the expiring contracts (Ross, Bamba, Hampton) and a 2nd.

Hartenstein can really play and they're using him poorly.

Me on 10/4/22

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

Me on 7/29/22

Statistically, Hartenstein is way better than Bamba and was arguably the best backup center in the entire NBA last season.

I'd be 100% in favor of signing him.

Me on 4/22/24
Hartenstein is a bench player. Definition of mid. Prefer Claxton.

Our team needs to get deeper overall and adding Claxton could help in that regard but considering how much he'll cost he won't be worth it.

He's going to get offers above 100M this offseason, we shouldnt commit that kind of money to him.

[RookieStar]

I hope you're right.. but Weltman has already said he'd be okay with running it back. If the FO decides to stand pat this offseason, would you defend the move?

We know they will make moves. The question is, are the moves the one we want or not?

do we?

Yup... we signed Jingles, we signed that scrub we sent along with Vuc...

Also picking somebodies trash is also a move right? We picked up Moe, Goga and etc lol

[thelead]

Me on 4/22/24
Hartenstein is a bench player. Definition of mid. Prefer Claxton.

He's better than Claxton

Probably won't be significantly cheaper at this point though.

I don't care about the cap hit at this point. Sign him to $25+ mil plus... whatever it takes. I'm serious. Whatever number it takes.

[byeganyo]

I have a memory like an elephant. I remember you wanting him years ago.

He's not the only one...

Me on 7/26/23

Hartenstein played really well with the Clippers when he was allowed to do a lot of the dribble hand off/high post passing fulcrum stuff that the Magic do with Carter offensively. And he's a plus defender.

I don't think the Knicks used him as well as they could have and he would be better served here.

Me on 12/28/22

Just go get Hartenstein from the Knicks.

Me on 12/6/22

I'd glad give them any of the expiring contracts (Ross, Bamba, Hampton) and a 2nd.

Hartenstein can really play and they're using him poorly.

Me on 10/4/22

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

Me on 7/29/22

Statistically, Hartenstein is way better than Bamba and was arguably the best backup center in the entire NBA last season.

I'd be 100% in favor of signing him.

Me on 4/22/24
Hartenstein is a bench player. Definition of mid. Prefer Claxton.

Great timing, lol, you should watch players more before you judge them, Hartenstein was just a big part of one of the biggest nights in Knicks recent history...

[Howard Mass]

Back in 1997, The Magic had a bad first two games in Miami.

Then, Darrell Armstrong was put n and Penny Hardaway just took over.

Things looked bleak then down 2-0 and The Magic almost won that series.

The bad offensive starts are hurting this team but the offensive setup is pretty dreadful and this team misses what Markelle Fultz previously brought to them. Unfortunately, some injuries and his shot has regressed badly to the point that TOS he has might be back even worse than it was.

They need someone who can run the offense and not constantly have the forwards bringing up the ball.

I would really like to see Anthony Black get a shot here to help with this and some other players to give this team a spark.

It doesn't look good but it's far from over.

I want to believe... but that Magic team had a vets and veteran star player in Penny with multiple playoff runs in his back pocket.

It's going to be tough to rely on young guys to do something similar in their first playoff run.

I've seen Playoff Series take big shifts.

It is definitely a different team and this team will have to do much better offensively.

As always, we shall see.

[SOUL]

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Simple... but hard.

[RookieStar]

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Simple... but hard.

Hope that lights a fire on him. As th best player you gotta be more aggressive than what he has shown.

[Howard Mass]

To take a step back.. if we're one or two scorers/shooters from being favorites over a strong Cavs team (who dealt with injuries).. I also don't think we're as far away as people are acting with these losses.

We're essentially in the pre-Shard Magic era when Dwight was in the playoffs in his third year.

That lineup was:

Hill
Turk
Dwight
Battie
Nelson

With a crap bench. Things will change, we'll get better

I'm sure Hawks fans were sure they were going to take another step forward after the ECF and Kings fans probably thought they'd improve over last year as well

The FO actually has to make moves to improve. This may not be a 47 win team if the only improvement going into next year is from internal improvement. I want to believe. But this is also the same FO who rolled into the season with Fultz as a starting PG and doubled down again, while in the playoff race, with Fultz as their starting PG on a playoff team

You never know if this team is going to be fighting for the #2 seed in the last few weeks of the season again next year.

Exactly!

When this team went to The Finals in 1995 and 2009, many of us had the feeling they could get right back.

The thing is you have to make improvements to the roster as the teams below you will get hungrier and better.

Moves have to be made this summer to take that next step. If The Magic make no moves, it will drastically limit their progress.

[basketballRob]

The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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[The-Stallion70]

The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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Yea Allen killed us there

[basketballRob]

I want Goga/Black AND for Paolo and Franz to stop playing like dog doo. Both things can be true. The fan complaints are pretty legit.

It reeks of "my guys haven't had a chance to suck in this setting, so until they do, it's the reason we lose" when in all actuality, we may suck just as much if Franz/Paolo/our top 8 rotation guys **** the bed shooting, rebounding, etc.

AB and Goga can go 0-10 or 10-10 and if those guys suck, the outcome is the same.

It was a bad move when they benched Goga and AB when Fultz and Wendell came back. We're 30-27 when Wendell plays this year, and a 500 team is about the ceiling with him.


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[JF5]

The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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If you get an offensive rebound and you still miss the shot how does offensive rebounding matter then? Shooting 33% one game and then 36% the next will lead to losses 97-98% of the time regardless how good you're rebounding.

[basketballRob]

The Goga and Black stuff would make sense if the Magic were having defensive issues. But they're calling for guys who average 7-8 points between each other and Cleveland isn't even shooting too well.

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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If you get an offensive rebound and you still miss the shot does offensive rebounding matter then? Shooting 33% one game and then 36% the next will lead to losses 97-98% of the time regardless how good you're rebounding.

We have a better offensive rating with Goga than Wendell.

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[ORLMagicGirl15]

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Simple... but hard.

He's the only person I have ever seen that has two different blink rates. And it is very visible when he is annoyed by something. Impressive. But yeah, make shots dude.

[SOUL]

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Gee, it's too bad we couldn't have been a playoff team last year and a near 60 win team this year

[JF5]

Can't score if you can't rebound.

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If you get an offensive rebound and you still miss the shot does offensive rebounding matter then? Shooting 33% one game and then 36% the next will lead to losses 97-98% of the time regardless how good you're rebounding.

We have a better offensive rating with Goga than Wendell.

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LMAO... I want to give you a stat...

The Magic are 17-16 with Bitadze starting... I guess you can easily see the record they have with Wendell Starting given they've finished 12 games over 500.

But you conveniently leave that out...

[KillMonger]

Our offense is so putrid man I can't help but wonder how it looks if we went another way. Mose said he runs and read and react offense and he wants the guys to become decision makers but I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't be better to just run a regular offense and put paolo on rails with way more set actions.... Instead of him just trying to read everything and survey and just be more decisive

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[SOUL]

It's so funny seeing every team cope with losses. nuggets fans are dooming right now

[Knightro]

Our offense is so putrid man I can't help but wonder how it looks if we went another way. Mose said he runs and read and react offense and he wants the guys to become decision makers but I can't help but wonder if it wouldn't be better to just run a regular offense and put paolo on rails with way more set actions.... Instead of him just trying to read everything and survey and just be more decisive

It's difficult to consistently run set actions with no point guard.

[fateis007]

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