Draft night over. Okafor/Noel still here. What now?

Post #19 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:35 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:How about something around a Len/Knight for Noel swap?

I think Sixers fans would maybe consider that if it was Okafor and not Noel.

I personally probably wouldn't do it because of Knight's injury history.

Well Suns might rather have Okafor but the problem is Noel and Len's rookie deals end at the same time. I like Noel's defensive stuff too, and Suns lack defense. Most Suns fans prefer Okafor though...I'm sure our fans would vote a yes on that. It is crazy though you guys are so willing to give up a guy with that kind of post offense. I mean few guys in the league have that and he is how old?

LongLiveHinkie · Post #20 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:How about something around a Len/Knight for Noel swap?

I think Sixers fans would maybe consider that if it was Okafor and not Noel.

I personally probably wouldn't do it because of Knight's injury history.

Well Suns might rather have Okafor but the problem is Noel and Len's rookie deals end at the same time. I like Noel's defensive stuff too, and Suns lack defense. Most Suns fans prefer Okafor though...I'm sure our fans would vote a yes on that. It is crazy though you guys are so willing to give up a guy with that kind of post offense. I mean few guys in the league have that and he is how old?

I don't think Sixers fans dislike Okafor's game, because he has incredible low post skills and moves. Stuff you can't teach. Just a great knack of scoring. He will be a 20/10 guy for a long time. Although, some fans are turned off by his defense.

I just think he's a bad fit with this team. Brett Brown likes to get out and run, and especially now with Simmons, they are going to use him a lot like the Cavs use Lebron. Put the ball in his hands, spread it out, let him attack and surround him with shooters. Okafor's slow low post style will prevent them from running and clog the lanes. Also, I think a lot of Sixers fans drool over the potential of seeing Simmons attack the paint, then throw it up to Noel back door for an alley oop. I think in our particular situation Okafor is the odd man out. In the right situation though he will be a 10 year all-star.

That's why I'm shocked no teams wanted him. If I'm in this draft and I'm Boston sitting there at 3, he's certainly a better player than Jaylen Brown.

underpressure · Post #21 » by **underpressure** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:03 am

I would go all in for Butler. That means that I would not mind if we even sacrifice our LA pick or offer our very own (top 3 protected) lotto pick. He is an elite two-way player on a good contract who has not yet hit his prime.

If we get him for Noel/Okafor+LA pick+the likes of Covington/Grant, I would do it. This offer is IMO better what the Bulls had asked for during draft night.

Other than that, I am not sure if there is currently a market for both of our bigs. I thought Phoenix would have made perfect sense, yet there were no apparent rumors during draft night between us and the Suns. Knight for Noel/Okafor wouldn't be a good haul.

eagereyez · Post #22 » by **eagereyez** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:17 am

The "draft for BPA regardless of fit" philosophy will take a serious hit if Colangelo ends up trading Okafor for Knight. Could have just taken Winslow or Hezonja instead of Okafor, and ended up with a better prospect than Knight. Then again, for all we know Hinkie would have taken Porzingis if ownership didn't interfere with the process.

Post #23 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:20 am

As Skates mentioned - a lot of teams will attempt to do patchwork in free agency, those that can't may look to trade. At least we'll get to see how Okafor and Simmons look together in Summer League, that will be cool/interesting.

76ciology · Post #24 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:23 am

- explore Rubio and Bledsoe (if healthy)
- sign and trade
- trade for 2017 picks (hey, celts might be interested)
- go hard for rumored unhappy players like Hayward and eventually, John Wall.

Post #25 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:59 am

eagereyez wrote:The "draft for BPA regardless of fit" philosophy will take a serious hit if Colangelo ends up trading Okafor for Knight. Could have just taken Winslow or Hezonja instead of Okafor, and ended up with a better prospect than Knight. Then again, for all we know Hinkie would have taken Porzingis if ownership didn't interfere with the process.

Why not just Covington for Knight?

Did ownership really tell Hinkie not to draft Porzingis?

I don't understand why Okafor has such low value.

I know teams want to go fast, shoot 3s and have quick defenders, but you'd think some teams would be all over that elite post game.

ET Da Gawd · Post #26 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:06 am

Simmons Okafor debut in Summer League??

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lotto29 · Post #27 » by **lotto29** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:22 am

What now? Trade Okafor.

76ciology · Post #28 » by **76ciology** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:48 am

bwgood77 wrote:
eagereyez wrote:The "draft for BPA regardless of fit" philosophy will take a serious hit if Colangelo ends up trading Okafor for Knight. Could have just taken Winslow or Hezonja instead of Okafor, and ended up with a better prospect than Knight. Then again, for all we know Hinkie would have taken Porzingis if ownership didn't interfere with the process.

Why not just Covington for Knight?

Did ownership really tell Hinkie not to draft Porzingis?

I don't understand why Okafor has such low value.

I know teams want to go fast, shoot 3s and have quick defenders, but you'd think some teams would be all over that elite post game.

I think RoCo for Knight is a solid trade. I'm just not high on Knight personally. Knight needs to play heavy role on offense to compensate his deficiency with defense, while higher role on offense leads him to be a inefficient player (low FG% and high TO%). But for RoCo, I'd consider it. RoCo has one of the best contract in the league and is one of the best longest (7'2" wingspan) two way wing.

Personally, I do think Hinkie preferred Okafor. The way we draft guys, we draft them not based on how well they can fit with the modern NBA. Given the players has tools to improve, we draft guys who is the most talented at that position. For the same reason we drafted Simmons over Ingram, despite Ingram being a much better shooter and better in challenging shots. Knowing Hinkie and the FO, they don't give an F about player agents. It's not like Jah wanted to play for us prior to the draft. Most big prospects knew that there is a clear logjam at our frontcourt.

I just feel like the team is more optimistic than most teams in player development. We were patient with MCW's shooting. We waited for Noel's ACL. We waited for Embiid's foot to heal. I think with Jah, the FO view him as a long mobile C who is good at challenging shots (and he actually is). I also think FO think that Jah can improve his rebounding, just like Noel's offense, Simmons' shooting and Embiid's foot.

LloydFree · Post #29 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:28 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
eagereyez wrote:I'm still a bit surprised Boston turned down Noel, 24, 26, & Cov for Jaylen Brown. Considering who was taken with those two picks, that would have been an incredibly poor deal for the Sixers. The same offer was probably made to Phoenix and Minny. I guess the rest of the league values Noel a lot lower than this board.

Turns out that rumor was BS per Colangelo. It sounded like way too much, I think that was nonsense.

Too much? The 24, 26 and Covington is essentially nothing.

LloydFree · Post #30 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:33 am

I knew there wasn't a team out there that would give up the #3 or #4 pick for Okafor, but I let myself get caught up in the rumors. He has no value around the league.

51X3RF4N · Post #31 » by **51X3RF4N** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:39 am

Any chance to balance this roster should be considered. No idea what free agency will bring. If the Sixers go hard after Beal or Barnes, then maybe the return on a Noel or Okafor trade changes depending on need.

Maybe Noel for Beverly and 2017 1st? Don't think Houston is a good trade partner really.

Maybe Okafor to Spurs for Parker and Green and a pick?

Maybe Okafor or Noel to Miami for Winslow?

At the moment, do we think Luwawu is a starter in the NBA today or will he need time? Is he SG or SF? I feel like the Sixers still need to find 3 starters to be truly competitive.

Wilfried · Post #32 » by **Wilfried** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:46 am

51X3RF4N wrote:Any chance to balance this roster should be considered. No idea what free agency will bring. If the Sixers go hard after Beal or Barnes, then maybe the return on a Noel or Okafor trade changes depending on need.

Maybe Noel for Beverly and 2017 1st? Don't think Houston is a good trade partner really.

Maybe Okafor to Spurs for Parker and Green and a pick?

Maybe Okafor or Noel to Miami for Winslow?

At the moment, do we think Luwawu is a starter in the NBA today or will he need time? Is he SG or SF? I feel like the Sixers still need to find 3 starters to be truly competitive.

We will find them in the next drafts then.

Those trade proposals are all from Billy King, are they?

Post #33 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:47 am

sixers238 wrote:Swing Okafor for CJ McCollum

My guess is Portland doesn't do it,

Post #34 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:49 am

eagereyez wrote:I'm still a bit surprised Boston turned down Noel, 24, 26, & Cov for Jaylen Brown. Considering who was taken with those two picks, that would have been an incredibly poor deal for the Sixers. The same offer was probably made to Phoenix and Minny. I guess the rest of the league values Noel a lot lower than this board.

George Hill got the 12th pick. I guess the value of picks dropped dramatically after 7 or 8.

F-Stop · Post #35 » by **F-Stop** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:00 pm

Right now I think we still keep both, Embiid has to show he can log heavy minutes and not break down..

There will be plenty of oppurtunities to acquire talent with the small salary the 6ers curently hold..
As far as them playing together and being a bad fit I totally disagree.. When we put an adequate back court together I think they will mesh well.

Post #36 » by **sixers hoops** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:03 pm

Kobblehead wrote:First we have to identify teams that might need a big. Then see if they have desirable assets.

Miami: Justise Winslow, Josh Richardson
Boston: Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley
Charlotte: Kemba Walker
Chicago: Jimmy Butler
Washington: Otto Porter
Portland: C.J. McCollum
Los Angelos: D'Angelo Russell

It's a long shot to get any of these guys, unfortunately. Our best play might be to sit tight and hope that our increased team talent naturally pumps up the performances and value of our guys. Then we can re-visit the trade market at the deadline.

I keep hearing/reading from insiders that Russell's value in the Lakers locker room is very low. Apparently, he has an awful personality and is disliked by many. Not sure that I believe it, but it has been suggested that the Lakers are motivated to move him. However, now I'm kind of scared off by him.

Dell · Post #37 » by **Dell** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:08 pm

I would definitely be in on Russell.

The Nuggets took Murray at 7 and Beasley at 19. You might have to do it through a 3-way, but I would look into Gary Harris. Something with Boston could be possible too. I don't love Smart, but if you view him as a potential 6th man he becomes more palatable.

F-Stop · Post #38 » by **F-Stop** » Fri Jun 24, 2016 12:17 pm

absolutely no way do I want Russell.. Privacy is at a premium for these guys and although he mocks his actions in commercials .no thanks

Do you think Noel and Okafor will still be here opening night?