Fantasy Trade Thread

[the_process]

Since the trade deadline, there have already been some star rumblings. Someone will shake free. Morey has to make the sale on his picks and pull the trigger.

[M2J]

Since the trade deadline, there have already been some star rumblings. Someone will shake free. Morey has to make the sale on his picks and pull the trigger.

Morey needs to show some player that it is a good choice and make them say they want to go to Philly.
However, their best option is to wait until after free agency and when some of these guys can be traded again next year. That way they can maintain depth. Trading a player into cap space with picks isn't ideal. They need to re-sign some of these guys... Maybe Tobi at a favorable deal... Only favorable for everyone really and focus on winning with them, but have the capital for a trade when it comes up.

Other teams may have stronger asset packages though. So, they may need to be patient. Plus, players are gonna want to be the guy that goes to LA

[76ciology]

Daryl Morey has several options to consider:

1.) It would be a no-brainer to use cap space to sign Paul George, OG, or Siakam.

2.) If this team goes far, he can opt to simply replace Roco, Batum, and Lowry, as these 3 guys may retire soon. Maybe upgrade Batum and Roco with Gordon Hayward, Derrick Jones, Jalen Smith, or Bruce Brown, Grayson Allen, Caleb Martin, Saddiq Bey, Toppin, Fontechio, Olynyk, Royce O’Neal, and Lowry with Tyus Jones.

3.) Explore using cap space and picks for a top-tier star. If a superstar like Giannis and Steph are options, maybe even explore putting Maxey on the table so we'll have an edge over other teams bidding for that superstar.

4.) If Tobias does not agree to a team-friendly deal, explore replacing him and Batum with Jalen Smith, Miles Bridges, or Bruce Brown while consider signing Gordon Hayward, Klay Thompson, or DeRozan. If Tobias agrees to a team-friendly deal, then consider replacing Batum and pairing Tobias with Jalen Smith, Bruce Brown, or Miles Bridges to round out the starting 5.

[MoeGreene]

Well reasoned.

Only one request though, please. Tobias is out like Fredo in any plan.

Daryl Morey has several options to consider:

1.) It would be a no-brainer to use cap space to sign Paul George, OG, or Siakam.

2.) If this team goes far, he can opt to simply replace Roco, Batum, and Lowry, as these 3 guys may retire soon. Maybe upgrade Batum and Roco with Gordon Hayward, Derrick Jones, Jalen Smith, or Bruce Brown, Grayson Allen, Caleb Martin, Saddiq Bey, Toppin, Fontechio, Olynyk, Royce O’Neal, and Lowry with Tyus Jones.

3.) Explore using cap space and picks for a top-tier star. If a superstar like Giannis and Steph are options, maybe even explore putting Maxey on the table so we'll have an edge over other teams bidding for that superstar.

4.) If Tobias does not agree to a team-friendly deal, explore replacing him and Batum with Jalen Smith, Miles Bridges, or Bruce Brown while consider signing Gordon Hayward, Klay Thompson, or DeRozan. If Tobias agrees to a team-friendly deal, then consider replacing Batum and pairing Tobias with Jalen Smith, Bruce Brown, or Miles Bridges to round out the starting 5.

[the_process]

Since the trade deadline, there have already been some star rumblings. Someone will shake free. Morey has to make the sale on his picks and pull the trigger.

Morey needs to show some player that it is a good choice and make them say they want to go to Philly.
However, their best option is to wait until after free agency and when some of these guys can be traded again next year. That way they can maintain depth. Trading a player into cap space with picks isn't ideal. They need to re-sign some of these guys... Maybe Tobi at a favorable deal... Only favorable for everyone really and focus on winning with them, but have the capital for a trade when it comes up.

Other teams may have stronger asset packages though. So, they may need to be patient. Plus, players are gonna want to be the guy that goes to LA

The only way the Sixers stay an over the cap team IMO is if a couple of guys agree to sign and trades.

[Magicman125]

Would you upset if this was our off-season?

S&T Melton, Better of ‘26 1st’s, LAC ‘28 1st , and ‘24 2nd for DeJounte Murray and De’Andre Hunter
Hawks get the 2 1st’s back they gave up for Murray and get Melton for a few million less than Murray. Being able to dump Hunter’s full contract for a 2nd without taking salary back is a bonus for them and their roster building

Sign 1 of Garry Harris Jr, Alec Burks, or Kris Dunn

Use MLE on 1 of Taurean Prince, Royce O’Neal, or Kyle Anderson

Retain Buddy via Bird Rights

Kyle Lowry stays for minimum


Murray
Maxey
Hield
Hunter
Embiid
Bench- Prince/O’Neal/Anderson, GHJ/Burks/Dunn, Reed, ‘24 1st, Lowry, + minimum contracts

My very rough estimate puts payroll below the 1st apron at around $175M

I'd worry about lack of size and wing defense. Hunter isn't great on that end despite having shown potential on that end, and is undersized against some 4s. Rebounding would be rough.

[M2J]

Since the trade deadline, there have already been some star rumblings. Someone will shake free. Morey has to make the sale on his picks and pull the trigger.

Morey needs to show some player that it is a good choice and make them say they want to go to Philly.
However, their best option is to wait until after free agency and when some of these guys can be traded again next year. That way they can maintain depth. Trading a player into cap space with picks isn't ideal. They need to re-sign some of these guys... Maybe Tobi at a favorable deal... Only favorable for everyone really and focus on winning with them, but have the capital for a trade when it comes up.

Other teams may have stronger asset packages though. So, they may need to be patient. Plus, players are gonna want to be the guy that goes to LA

The only way the Sixers stay an over the cap team IMO is if a couple of guys agree to sign and trades.

Unless they get a young all star that fits closer to Maxey's timeline, that would be dumb.

Best they could do is use the MLE to keep either Oubre or maybe Melton who has been injured and may need to take the 12.5 million MLE, and they better. Maybe convince Batum to stay.

Better to wait until next deadline or run it back with favorable deals on going with flexibility. This new cba favors that

[PhillyFan11]

Morey needs to show some player that it is a good choice and make them say they want to go to Philly.
However, their best option is to wait until after free agency and when some of these guys can be traded again next year. That way they can maintain depth. Trading a player into cap space with picks isn't ideal. They need to re-sign some of these guys... Maybe Tobi at a favorable deal... Only favorable for everyone really and focus on winning with them, but have the capital for a trade when it comes up.

Other teams may have stronger asset packages though. So, they may need to be patient. Plus, players are gonna want to be the guy that goes to LA

The only way the Sixers stay an over the cap team IMO is if a couple of guys agree to sign and trades.

Unless they get a young all star that fits closer to Maxey's timeline, that would be dumb.

Best they could do is use the MLE to keep either Oubre or maybe Melton who has been injured and may need to take the 12.5 million MLE, and they better. Maybe convince Batum to stay.

Better to wait until next deadline or run it back with favorable deals on going with flexibility. This new cba favors that

Nope. It’s now or never this off-season. Any hope of a championship window with Jo is rapidly closing. If Morey doesn’t go for it this off-season he might as well trade Jo…which isn’t happening

[M2J]

The only way the Sixers stay an over the cap team IMO is if a couple of guys agree to sign and trades.

Unless they get a young all star that fits closer to Maxey's timeline, that would be dumb.

Best they could do is use the MLE to keep either Oubre or maybe Melton who has been injured and may need to take the 12.5 million MLE, and they better. Maybe convince Batum to stay.

Better to wait until next deadline or run it back with favorable deals on going with flexibility. This new cba favors that

Nope. It’s now or never this off-season. Any hope of a championship window with Jo is rapidly closing. If Morey doesn’t go for it this off-season he might as well trade Jo…which isn’t happening

This roster healthy with the addition of Buddy,Cam and Kyle might be as deep and talented as any in the league. Time is now and they can keep it going until a trade becomes available. Only weakness is health and backup center which is only really a big issue if Joel isn't playing.

2 high quality, high volume movement shooters, and another quality vets in that regard in Batum and Lowry. Point of attack 3 and D guy in Melton with athleticism (Oubre kinda). Assassin

[phifans]

This whole "cap space" plan is just a joke.

Good luck to replace Tobi Hield Melton Oubre & Batum with no more than $60m and a Room MLE

[76ciology]

This whole "cap space" plan is just a joke.

Good luck to replace Tobi Hield Melton Oubre & Batum with no more than $60m and a Room MLE

Can we use our cap space to sign 1-2 new players and then re-sign some of the individuals you’ve mentioned?

Another approach is the "Bruce Brown" strategy, where we could sign multiple guys to a $20 million expiring contract and then trade them for depth. If a talent upgrade is necessary, we can attach a pick or the player we draft in 2024 to the deal.

There's a risk in every decision, but I believe it would be irresponsible for us to forgo our maximum potential by not being able to sign a player of max caliber or by trading away our maximum cap space along with all our picks.

While I don't find it particularly challenging to replace players like Tobias, Oubre, Melton, and Batum, given the abundance of talented non-allstar players out there, Morey has consistently demonstrated his ability to acquire $10-20 million per year type players for nominal costs. This is evidenced by how he was able to acquire players like Seth, Oubre, Hield, and the 2022 version of PJ Tucker year after year.

[M2J]

This whole "cap space" plan is just a joke.

Good luck to replace Tobi Hield Melton Oubre & Batum with no more than $60m and a Room MLE

Can we use our cap space to sign 1-2 new players and then re-sign some of the individuals you’ve mentioned?

Another approach is the "Bruce Brown" strategy, where we could sign multiple guys to a $20 million expiring contract and then trade them for depth. If a talent upgrade is necessary, we can attach a pick or the player we draft in 2024 to the deal.

There's a risk in every decision, but I believe it would be irresponsible for us to forgo our maximum potential by not being able to sign a player of max caliber or by trading away our maximum cap space along with all our picks.

While I don't find it particularly challenging to replace players like Tobias, Oubre, Melton, and Batum, given the abundance of talented non-allstar players out there, Morey has consistently demonstrated his ability to acquire $10-20 million per year type players for nominal costs. This is evidenced by how he was able to acquire players like Seth, Oubre, Hield, and the 2022 version of PJ Tucker year after year.

The Bruce Brown plan is exactly what I think they should do, with their current guys. Short term, tradable contracts with quality rotation players... They should do that with their own guys. Melton is that player, but him being young likely attracts more years.

The easy to build depth thought is just not real life. They were over the cap to be able to make those deals and trade for guys like Seth and it was with the old CBA under old rules. First of all Tucker was a bad signing done to keep Harden happy, Oubre was a great signing, but that kinda deal only happens to glamour teams or super teams.... Philly did have the MVP to sell and cap space to sell as Kelly has lost his bird rights. That's gone once Maxey is signed...but Oubre wanted to go to Miami, who was waiting on Lillard and he still may do that this summer or go to LA or NYC. if they use cap to build depth, you overpay typically and there is a lack of quality around the big 2.

They need to bring back the quality guys that they can this summer. Keep their picks and maintain the ability to be the most flexible and ready title contender with an MVP type player outside of OKC.

[eyeatoma]

It's not exactly that though, Embiid is special, he is an outlier in terms of how much his level drops from Regular Season to Playoffs, there is little to no precedent on how much an MVP caliber player reduces his level of play in playoffs so much. So in this circumstance, it is justified to trade him on the basis of him never being all that in playoffs, of course you are going to rebuild if you trade Embiid, but then again, our ceiling being always 2nd round is not much more enticing.
What usually happens is that you have a player that is limited in playoffs but his value is not all that high. With Embiid however, he is limited in playoffs but his value is still really high (when he is playing and healthy), that's the ultimate opportunity cost for someone who has the main goal to win a championship.

Minus a career ending injury (which I won't completely rule out as a possibility), his trade value isn't likely to change substantially in the next handful of years.

I don't think there's any precedent for trading an MVP is his prime without a trade demand attached... But it's not like teams can throw much more into deals than they have for superstars regardless of the situation. There's just a limit on what teams can actually trade, and they already hit those limits with guys like Rudy frickin Gobert.

Trading an MVP caliber player in his prime automatically means you are losing out on value because teams can't match that value.

I think OKC could come pretty damn close to matching MVP value right now.

Chet, Jalen Williams and picks is good but we'd still not be at the Celtics or Bucks level.

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[the_process]

Minus a career ending injury (which I won't completely rule out as a possibility), his trade value isn't likely to change substantially in the next handful of years.

I don't think there's any precedent for trading an MVP is his prime without a trade demand attached... But it's not like teams can throw much more into deals than they have for superstars regardless of the situation. There's just a limit on what teams can actually trade, and they already hit those limits with guys like Rudy frickin Gobert.

Trading an MVP caliber player in his prime automatically means you are losing out on value because teams can't match that value.

I think OKC could come pretty damn close to matching MVP value right now.

Chet, Jalen Williams and picks is good but we'd still not be at the Celtics or Bucks level.

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Chet, Jalen, Maxey, and a couple years of drafting and using exceptions to fill out the roster could be a pretty formidable team by 26-27.

[eyeatoma]

I think OKC could come pretty damn close to matching MVP value right now.

Chet, Jalen Williams and picks is good but we'd still not be at the Celtics or Bucks level.

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Chet, Jalen, Maxey, and a couple years of drafting and using exceptions to fill out the roster could be a pretty formidable team by 26-27.

Just not sure OKC would do it.

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[the_process]

Chet, Jalen Williams and picks is good but we'd still not be at the Celtics or Bucks level.

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Chet, Jalen, Maxey, and a couple years of drafting and using exceptions to fill out the roster could be a pretty formidable team by 26-27.

Just not sure OKC would do it.

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They might not. Still a conversation worth having IMO.

[eyeatoma]

Chet, Jalen, Maxey, and a couple years of drafting and using exceptions to fill out the roster could be a pretty formidable team by 26-27.

Just not sure OKC would do it.

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They might not. Still a conversation worth having IMO.

Sure, it would be one of the few packages I'd entertain.

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[Stanford]

Obviously you do that trade if offered.

[mjkvol]

I think OKC could come pretty damn close to matching MVP value right now.

Chet, Jalen Williams and picks is good but we'd still not be at the Celtics or Bucks level.

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Chet, Jalen, Maxey, and a couple years of drafting and using exceptions to fill out the roster could be a pretty formidable team by 26-27.

There's not a chance in hell Presti doesn't shoot that deal down immediately. He's way too smart.

From a Sixers standpoint, I'd fly Embiid out there myself, and I love the guy. But that's like a 'Process II' jump start.

[the_process]

Chet, Jalen Williams and picks is good but we'd still not be at the Celtics or Bucks level.

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Chet, Jalen, Maxey, and a couple years of drafting and using exceptions to fill out the roster could be a pretty formidable team by 26-27.

There's not a chance in hell Presti doesn't shoot that deal down immediately. He's way too smart.

From a Sixers standpoint, I'd fly Embiid out there myself, and I love the guy. But that's like a 'Process II' jump start.

I think if it was Chet and Jalen and just the Sixers pick back the Thunder might do it.

But is that enough for Jo?

Then the next question becomes would you take Chet or Jalen plus salary filler, and like 7 firsts?

It's all just a thought experiment for now. Not like we have anything else to do at the moment, this team is unwatchable until Jo gets back.