Official Trade Thread: Part 6

[bwgood77]

Another thing we could consider if we wanted to pick up another pick is trading our future Minny pick (which would probably outside lotto in late teen maybe next year) for Dallas' pick this year. Dallas would probably be looking for something like that in return.

[jcsunsfan]

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U don't do that because if Noel works out, and u are Cleveland's GM, u get fired for life. Has anyone ever traded the #1 pick in the past? I'd guess not.

Yes, the number 1 pick has ben traded in the past. The Hawks traded the #1 to Boston who drafted Bill Russell, Boston traded the #1 (Joe Barry Carroll) for Robert Parish and #3 (Kevin McKale). Philly traded it (Brad Daughtery) for Roy Hinson. Those are the ones that come to mind where a team possessed the #1 pick and traded it before selecting a player. I am sure there have been others, but it is pretty rare and there was always a risk with the projected #1 pick; Russell was race - St Louis did not want a black player at the time, Philly - the owner thought BD was too soft, and Red Auerbach wanted nothing to do with Joe Barry Carroll because of rep of difficult to work with and lazy.

Think about it - the same situation exists here Noel - the question mark is whether he will fully recover from his injury and he is a 19 year old project.

Didn't Orlando do it with the Webber for Penny trade. I think Orlando got three additional picks as well as the better player. In most cases the trade of the pick turned out well. That Boston trade that netted Parish and McHale for the right to Joe Barely Cares Carroll was a robbery.

Moral of the story: teams usually have to overpay significantly to obtain the #1 pick through trade.

[Kerrsed]

Here's an interesting idea. I just read (http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/ ... r-t-wolves) how OJ Mayo is a major priority for the Wolves this year. Seems they really like him and would like to re-unite him with Love, not just because the desperately need a SG, but to also appease Love in hopes that he will be more inclined to stay. The problem is that Mayo is a UFA and will command a high dollar contract. Now where things get tricky is that Pekovic is also a FA this year and is looking at a $12M a year contract, which is in line with what other C's with similar production have received as of late.

My idea is to offer Gortat for Williams/#9.

That allows them to drop Williams $5M deal, the guaranteed money that the #9 pick would get, but also means that they wouldnt need to resign Pekovic as they would have Gortat instead for about $5M less (this year). All in all, its about a $13M savings that they can use on Mayo.

Rubio/Mayo/AK47/Love/Gortat

AK47'c contract is up after next season ($10M) as is a few other players, which would massively help them free up the capspace to resign Gortat (about $10M), so all they would need in 2014 is a starting SF, which could easily be obtained in the draft. The Wolves also still have 3 other 2013 picks (#26/52/59).

If we help them clear the money to sign Mayo this way, it would help ensure they dont leapfrog us to take Oladipo. If we managed to walk away from this draft with Oladipo and Shabazz, i would be ecstatic.

Dragic/Oladipo/Shabazz/DWilliams/?????

[bwgood77]

Kerssed - I like that idea, and also read something about Mayo to Minnesota on Pelton's espn chat idea. I'm not sure Minnesota would want to lose Pek, but your reasoning makes sense with Gortat making less (although they'd have to re-sign him the following offseason).

But we could obviously address the sg and center positions with the two picks and could see how a lineup of

Dragic
Oladipo/McLemore
Dudley
Williams
Len

could develop

[Kerrsed]

Kerssed - I like that idea, and also read something about Mayo to Minnesota on Pelton's espn chat idea. I'm not sure Minnesota would want to lose Pek, but your reasoning makes sense with Gortat making less (although they'd have to re-sign him the following offseason).

But we could obviously address the sg and center positions with the two picks and could see how a lineup of

Dragic
Oladipo/McLemore
Dudley
Williams
Len

could develop

Yes they would have to re-sign Gortat, but in 2014 they would have the money to do so, and i believe that Gortat will come cheaper than what Pekovic will get. Pek is 2 years younger, bigger, and stats are better (not just last years, but for his career). They are close to the same player, but Pek edges Gortat out in just about every category.

[DirtyDez]

I like that to Kerrsed, but when did Love & Mayo play together?

[Kerrsed]

I like that to Kerrsed, but when did Love & Mayo play together?

From what i understand, they became somewhat close after playing in the McDonalds all-american game together.

[nevetsov]

My idea is to offer Gortat for Williams/#9.

Make it happen, special K.

Could we sign Pek as well? That would be beastly.

[Frank Lee]

Wow!! Denver sure has a lot of long term money that are going to be dragging them down for years to come. Will Chandler and Miller through 14/15 at 6.7 and 4.6 ending....McGee and Gallo through the 15/16 season both ending at or near 12 mil each... and Lawason going through the 16/17 season ending above 13 mil. Thats a lot of coin man, they already are above the 70 mil mark for next year and at some poing need to pay Faried... are they really going to have the funds to extend Iggy!! They might be a target to help with money issues and stealing talent be it players or picks to take contracts.

Yup.... Something is going to have to give with them. Chandler for #30 + Tucker ?

[JMac1]

Wow!! Denver sure has a lot of long term money that are going to be dragging them down for years to come. Will Chandler and Miller through 14/15 at 6.7 and 4.6 ending....McGee and Gallo through the 15/16 season both ending at or near 12 mil each... and Lawason going through the 16/17 season ending above 13 mil. Thats a lot of coin man, they already are above the 70 mil mark for next year and at some poing need to pay Faried... are they really going to have the funds to extend Iggy!! They might be a target to help with money issues and stealing talent be it players or picks to take contracts.

Yup.... Something is going to have to give with them. Chandler for #30 + Tucker ?

No spending yet Frank... Let's see how our picks and players pan out before trading for a guy like Chandler. I don't want anybody coming in taking away time from the young guys.... That will allow them to grow and us to suck and still compete (players playing hard) at the same time.

[Howard Cosell]

Here's an interesting idea. I just read (http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/ ... r-t-wolves) how OJ Mayo is a major priority for the Wolves this year. Seems they really like him and would like to re-unite him with Love, not just because the desperately need a SG, but to also appease Love in hopes that he will be more inclined to stay. The problem is that Mayo is a UFA and will command a high dollar contract. Now where things get tricky is that Pekovic is also a FA this year and is looking at a $12M a year contract, which is in line with what other C's with similar production have received as of late.

My idea is to offer Gortat for Williams/#9.

That allows them to drop Williams $5M deal, the guaranteed money that the #9 pick would get, but also means that they wouldnt need to resign Pekovic as they would have Gortat instead for about $5M less (this year). All in all, its about a $13M savings that they can use on Mayo.

Rubio/Mayo/AK47/Love/Gortat

AK47'c contract is up after next season ($10M) as is a few other players, which would massively help them free up the capspace to resign Gortat (about $10M), so all they would need in 2014 is a starting SF, which could easily be obtained in the draft. The Wolves also still have 3 other 2013 picks (#26/52/59).

If we help them clear the money to sign Mayo this way, it would help ensure they dont leapfrog us to take Oladipo. If we managed to walk away from this draft with Oladipo and Shabazz, i would be ecstatic.

Dragic/Oladipo/Shabazz/DWilliams/?????

Minnesota passes on this deal for now. No need to save money on a deal like this when we don't even know if AK47 will take his option for 10 mil this next season. It sounds like he wont because he is interested in playing another 3 seasons and would rather opt out and make a little less next season for a longer guaranteed contract.

Pekovich is on the way up in value and as a player. Gortat..well....not so much. Twolves pass for now.

[BurningHeart]

I'd back up the Brinks Truck for Faried if the Nuggets couldn't afford to keep him.

He fits perfectly with my goal of having a guy down low to rebound all the misses and then have 3 or 4 **** players running and gunning.

[RunSunRun]

Another thing we could consider if we wanted to pick up another pick is trading our future Minny pick (which would probably outside lotto in late teen maybe next year) for Dallas' pick this year. Dallas would probably be looking for something like that in return.

Personally, I wouldn't trade that pick as Minnesota should be outside the lottery next year and as you note it should be in the mid to late teens. Lots of intriguing players coming out next year besides the Wiggins, it could be a pretty valuable pick for us.

[Kerrsed]

Q. Jonathan
Any thoughts on what PHX would want for Gortat?

I expect he’d carry pretty high value both now and as the trade deadline approaches – especially if a contender has a big man go down.

A. Derek Page
For a rebuilding team like Phoenix, a high first round pick (either this year or next) along with a decent young talent would be reasonable asking price. Marcin Gortat is a quality center in a league chocked-full of teams looking for quality big men. That sets the market value.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-derek-page-6813

Maybe his value isnt as low as we (along with every other teams posters here on RealGM) think!

Gortat for #9/Williams
Gortat for #10/Leonard
Gortat for #11/Moultrie
Gortat for #12/Lamb/PJ3
Gortat for #17/#18/2014 2nd round pick

[Revived]

Q. Jonathan
Any thoughts on what PHX would want for Gortat?

I expect he’d carry pretty high value both now and as the trade deadline approaches – especially if a contender has a big man go down.

A. Derek Page
For a rebuilding team like Phoenix, a high first round pick (either this year or next) along with a decent young talent would be reasonable asking price. Marcin Gortat is a quality center in a league chocked-full of teams looking for quality big men. That sets the market value.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-derek-page-6813

Maybe his value isnt as low as we (along with every other teams posters here on RealGM) think!

Gortat for #9/Williams
Gortat for #10/Leonard
Gortat for #11/Moultrie
Gortat for #12/Lamb/PJ3
Gortat for #17/#18/2014 2nd round pick

I wouldn't mind trading Gortat for young player with potential + a top 5 protected 2014 pick from some team either.

[sunskerr]

I wouldn't mind Gortat for any of those listed packages. He would really be great in Minnesota if Pekovic is not coming back. Hopefully we steal Pekovic in Free agency then (haha).

[Kerrsed]

I wouldn't mind Gortat for any of those listed packages. He would really be great in Minnesota if Pekovic is not coming back. Hopefully we steal Pekovic in Free agency then (haha).

Maybe we could throw a high dollar contract Peks way and the Wolves wont match.

If we did that, i dont know how open they would be to then trading with us, being that we stole their C and all.

[Qwigglez]

Q. Jonathan
Any thoughts on what PHX would want for Gortat?

I expect he’d carry pretty high value both now and as the trade deadline approaches – especially if a contender has a big man go down.

A. Derek Page
For a rebuilding team like Phoenix, a high first round pick (either this year or next) along with a decent young talent would be reasonable asking price. Marcin Gortat is a quality center in a league chocked-full of teams looking for quality big men. That sets the market value.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-derek-page-6813

Maybe his value isnt as low as we (along with every other teams posters here on RealGM) think!

Gortat for #9/Williams
Gortat for #10/Leonard
Gortat for #11/Moultrie
Gortat for #12/Lamb/PJ3
Gortat for #17/#18/2014 2nd round pick

I never understood why everyone thought his value was super low. His contract is the best bang for the buck for quality centers. I like the proposed trade Kerrsed of #9/Williams for Gortat, but we might have to add in PJ Tucker or one of our young guys (Morris twins/Marshall?). That trade would be an absolute godsend for us and would put us on the fast track towards a proper rebuild.

[BurningHeart]

I never understood why everyone thought his value was super low. His contract is the best bang for the buck for quality centers.

Because people are dumb and don't realize that good centers on insanely cheap contracts don't grow on trees.

[thamadkant]

Gortat's value is HIGHLY dependent on teams bidding against each other.

If there are no bids, or only 1 team making an offer.... then you simply dont get as much for him as you can.


Mavs , Thunder, Blazers, Wolves...

can all target Gortat, but they could also target Varejao, Deandre Jordan etc.


My hope..
Thunder realizes that Gortat is the missing piece to beat Grizzlies, Clippers, Spurs and ultimately Heat....

They cannot waste Westbrook and Durant's good years.

For Suns, if they have to take Perkin's contract.... Lamb, Jones and pick 12 must come back.. or any two as combination.


Just get it done!.... its clearly beneficial for both.