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When will Booker hit 8,000 career points?

5th season
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6th season
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7th season
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1241 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:34 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:OK. The fact is that they pulled within 11 with a minute and a half to go. There are some remarkable things about this game.

1. It must take an incredible amount of stamina just to put up that many points in an NBA game.
2. He was double and triple teamed at times and still scored. That is the making of a superstar.
3. This type of game is important for a young star like Booker because it changes the way the player thinks. The confidence goes through the roof and makes them even more effective.
4. This also changes the way other teams, and especially the referees see a player. Booker will get more calls.
5. It was a fairly efficient game as well.


It was a very efficient game. Outside of the Suns' final trip down the court, where Booker missed two field goals, his performance almost did not have a "70-point" feel in my view, because he was scoring very much within the flow of the game. I have received this feeling, too, watching, say, Michael Jordan and Kevin Johnson post big scoring games as opposed to, say, Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson. With Bryant and Iverson, one often felt that they were throwing up anything and everything. With Jordan and K.J., I have sometimes been surprised to see 35 or 40 or 45 points on the board because everything was occurring within the flow of the game and without ostentatious moves or shots.

To me, the fact that Booker scored 70 is rather irrelevant. Of course, that fact is what the media and most people will focus on, but I am more interested in the nature of his performance. Sure, the fact that he reached 70 was something of a fluke—until the last two minutes, the atmosphere proved lackadaisical and Booker was playing on a D-League-caliber team with no offense outside of him or transition. Had Bledsoe been playing, Booker would not have scored 70.

But if Booker had checked out after scoring 45, I would have basically felt the same way about his performance. He was obviously very comfortable, and the whole game was clearly "slow" for him, meaning that he seemed to be seeing and processing everything in slow motion. Although he committed 5 turnovers, he delivered some outstanding passes and made some good defensive plays as well. Indeed, Booker actually produced a terrific all-around statistical line with 6 assists, 8 rebounds, 3 steals, and 1 blocked shot. In terms of his scoring, his fakes and quick stop-and-go and/or change-of-directions and/or in-and-out dribbles (either off the catch or a live dribble) were excellent. Booker said it best after the game when he stated that anyone who has ever played basketball can understand what happened—it was one of those games where he got into a great rhythm and everything clicked. And the experience is not exclusive to basketball, either.

Now for the bad news: over his last six games—including the 70-point performance in Boston—Booker is shooting .362 from the field in 23.0 attempts per game and .300 on threes in 6.7 attempts per game. Remove the 70-point performance, and Booker is shooting .296 from the field over that span (the other five games) and .276 on threes. So, obviously, the experience is not readily replicable or transferable—Booker possesses the skills and feel to have that experience, but when and if it happens is fairly random. Of course, in the four games before this most recent six-game stretch, Booker averaged 28.0 points on .506 field goal shooting and .438 three-point shooting. In the six games before that four-game stretch, he averaged 16.2 points on .413 field goal shooting, although he shot .414 on threes during that span.

So like a lot of shooting guards, Booker has run hot and cold. To me, he profiles as the kind of player who can push you over the top in a playoff game or two to swing a series yet who needs to be embedded in a solid overall team in order to enjoy that opportunity—much like Reggie Miller or Klay Thompson (Game Six at Oklahoma City in the Western Conference Finals last year), although Booker handles the ball better than Miller and Thompson.
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1242 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:51 pm

I kind of hate making premature comparisons, but found the similarities pretty crazy...here are some of the highlights of this article

by Christian Sihombing at ValleyoftheSuns.com

High School Comparisons

Devin Booker Senior Year stats:

32.8 points per game, 5.6 rebounds per game, 1.2 assists per game, McDonald’s All-American

Kobe Bryant Senior Year stats:

30.8 points per game, 12.0 rebounds per game, 4.0 assists per game, McDonald’s All-American

NBA Draft Comparisons

Devin Booker:

2015 NBA Draft’s 13th overall selection, 18-year old draftee (youngest in 2015 NBA Draft), 6’6″ 206 lbs.

Kobe Bryant:

1996 NBA Draft’s 13th overall selection, 17-year old draftee (youngest in 1996 NBA Draft), 6’6″ 199 lbs.

Rookie Year Comparisons

Devin Booker:

76 games played (51 starts), 42.3 field goal %, 13.8 points per game, 2.5 rebounds per game, 2.6 assists per game, 20+ point games (16), 30+ point games (6), Rookie High – 35 points

Kobe Bryant:

71 games played (6 starts), 41.7 field goal %, 7.6 points per game, 1.9 rebounds per game, 1.3 assists per game, 20+ point games (4), 30+ point games (0), Rookie High – 24 points

Playing against their idol:

December 17, 1997 : Bulls def. Lakers 104-83

Michael Jordan:

35 minutes, 12-22 field goals, 11-12 free throws, 36 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists

Kobe Bryant:

29 minutes, 12-20 field goals, 6-9 free throws, 33 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists

March 23, 2016 : Suns def. Lakers 119-107

Kobe Bryant:

28 minutes, 5-13 field goals, 4-4 free throws, 17 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists

Devin Booker:

41 minutes, 12-22 field goals, 3-4 free throws, 28 points, 3 rebounds, 7 assists

Stats To This Point In Their Careers

Devin Booker stats through 2nd season (as of April 27th):

148 games played (123 starts), 2604 points (17.6 per game), 416 rebounds (2.8 per game), 431 assists (2.9 per game)

20+ point game (56), 30+ point games (17), consecutive 20+ point games (16),

Career Highs in a game: Points (70), Field Goals Made (21), Field Goals Attempted (40), FT Made (24), FT Attempted (26), 3PM (6), 3PA (11), Assists (11), Rebounds (10), Blocks (2), Steals (4)

Kobe Bryant stats through 2nd season:

150 games played (7 starts), 1759 points (11.7 per game), 374 rebounds (2.5 per game), 290 assists (1.9 per game)

20+ point games (24), 30+ point games (2), consecutive 20+ point games (4)

Career Highs in a game: Points (33), Field Goals Made (12), Field Goals Attempted (21), FT Made (13), FT Attempted (14), 3PM (4), 3PA (7), Assists (7), Rebounds (8), Blocks (3), Steals (4)


http://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/03/27/comparison-devin-booker-vs-kobe-bryant/
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1243 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:32 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I kind of hate making premature comparisons, but found the similarities pretty crazy...here are some of the highlights of this article

by Christian Sihombing at ValleyoftheSuns.com

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/03/27/comparison-devin-booker-vs-kobe-bryant/


Well, as I have pointed out in the past, Kobe Bryant spent his first two seasons coming off the bench for a 55-60-win Laker team behind a young All-Star shooting guard in Eddie Jones and with a mid-twenties Shaquille O'Neal at center. In 1998, Bryant's second season, Los Angeles reached the Western Conference Finals.

I do not believe that Booker would have gone for 70 on that team ...
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1244 » by bwgood77 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:38 pm

GMATCallahan wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I kind of hate making premature comparisons, but found the similarities pretty crazy...here are some of the highlights of this article

by Christian Sihombing at ValleyoftheSuns.com

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/03/27/comparison-devin-booker-vs-kobe-bryant/


Well, as I have pointed out in the past, Kobe Bryant spent his first two seasons coming off the bench for a 55-60-win Laker team behind a young All-Star shooting guard in Eddie Jones and with a mid-twenties Shaquille O'Neal at center. In 1998, Bryant's second season, Los Angeles reached the Western Conference Finals.

I do not believe that Booker would have gone for 70 on that team ...


Oh me, neither, and as you said, if he was playing with Bledsoe, or even Warren for that matter, he wouldn't have gotten 70. Or if Chriss was making more shots. No one was doing anything else.
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1245 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:10 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Oh me, neither, and as you said, if he was playing with Bledsoe, or even Warren for that matter, he wouldn't have gotten 70. Or if Chriss was making more shots. No one was doing anything else.


... sort of curious that the Suns hardly seemed to try some Ulis-Chriss pick-and-rolls/pops. Obviously, once Booker got on a serious roll in the second half, Phoenix was going to keep feeding him, but an Ulis-Chriss two-man game is something that the Suns really need to explore in these final few contests.
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1246 » by GeraldsGreenery » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:32 am

Add Gambo to the list of Booker haters too. SMH

Started off his radio show today saying Bookers 70 was not even a top 25 performance of this season. What a **** joke man. Basically saying that since the Suns were never in the game and he didn't help them win its worthless. A 20 year old Booker was the only guy the Celtics game planned to stop. They didn't have to worry about anyone else and he still dropped 70 on them. No respect at all. MJ dropped 63 on Boston in a loss and that game is regarded as Legendary, yet Bookers 70 is just whatever. If Book played for the Knicks he would have a statue already being built, yet in PHX it's just a regular season loss.


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Post#1247 » by CoachJimCarrey » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:56 am

Mavs fan here... a few games ago we played a close came agains the Suns, and Booker had ice flowing through his veins making clutch shot after clutch shot to take the W. Then he turns around and puts up 70... at 20 freaking years old. I did a double take when I saw it on ESPN. Don't listen to the haters - you guys struck absolute gold with this guy, and he is going to be a beast. The future looks pretty bright for the Suns - especially with a top pick upcoming!

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Post#1248 » by NTB » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:20 am

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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1249 » by NTB » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:51 pm

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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1250 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:44 pm

GeraldsGreenery wrote:Add Gambo to the list of Booker haters too. SMH

Started off his radio show today saying Bookers 70 was not even a top 25 performance of this season. What a **** joke man. Basically saying that since the Suns were never in the game and he didn't help them win its worthless. A 20 year old Booker was the only guy the Celtics game planned to stop. They didn't have to worry about anyone else and he still dropped 70 on them. No respect at all. MJ dropped 63 on Boston in a loss and that game is regarded as Legendary, yet Bookers 70 is just whatever. If Book played for the Knicks he would have a statue already being built, yet in PHX it's just a regular season loss.


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... that was a playoff game and a double-overtime loss, and the 1986 Celtics have often been regarded as the greatest team of all time—hence the legendary status.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198604200BOS.html

Indeed, the 1986 Celtics finished first in the NBA in Defensive Rating (points allowed per possession), compared to the current Celtics' sixteenth-place Defensive Rating.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1986.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2017.html

That said, Booker's performance definitely constituted one of the best in the NBA this season. He proved relentless, poised, and precise—he made great reads in terms of when and where to move, and he really was not forcing matters. And as I noted earlier, he played a terrific all-around game, too.

I do believe that if the game had been more competitive, the Celtics would have applied some different defensive strategies—because the game was never close, Boston used very basic defensive coverage against Booker, and the atmosphere was never intense. However, Booker's sense of timing and change-of-speed/change-of-direction dribbles, along with his shot fakes and ball fakes, would have rendered him elusive and difficult to deal with regardless. Booker was patient yet moved quickly—a trademark of a masterful scoring performance.

And although the ball-hawking Avery Bradley was out, Booker still scored repeatedly on some highly adept and/or athletic individual defenders: Marcus Smart, Jae Crowder, and rookie Jaylen Brown.
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1251 » by GMATCallahan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:48 pm

CoachJimCarrey wrote:Mavs fan here... a few games ago we played a close came agains the Suns, and Booker had ice flowing through his veins making clutch shot after clutch shot to take the W. Then he turns around and puts up 70... at 20 freaking years old. I did a double take when I saw it on ESPN. Don't listen to the haters - you guys struck absolute gold with this guy, and he is going to be a beast. The future looks pretty bright for the Suns - especially with a top pick upcoming!

Oh, and long live Steve Nash!!!!


... depending on how the Suns use that pick and what kind of luck they receive ...
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1252 » by bigfoot » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:58 pm

Question I have about Booker is does he have the physical tools to play shutdown defense? At the NBA combine he had one of the fastest times for lane agility. Not sure how that might carry over to defense. Booker definitely needs to be a better defender next year.
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1253 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:30 pm

bigfoot wrote:Question I have about Booker is does he have the physical tools to play shutdown defense? At the NBA combine he had one of the fastest times for lane agility. Not sure how that might carry over to defense. Booker definitely needs to be a better defender next year.


He doesn't even have to be a shut down defender. Average would be ok. But he can be better than average.
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Post#1254 » by NTB » Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:28 am

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Post#1255 » by sunskerr » Wed Mar 29, 2017 10:52 am

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Very cool. I believe eFG% and TS% are good indicators of a player's offensive effectiveness, especially when they are positively correlated with volume. I have been critical of Booker's offense but this says he's doing just fine so far.

It would seem the issue then is either or a mixture of 1) does he take his own teammates out of the game or is poor at getting them involved and of course 2) his defense.
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Post#1256 » by NTB » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:40 pm



So Booker is an example in classes now, wow. Things are escalating quick after 70-point game.
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Post#1257 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:56 pm

That's an amazing cut through statistic about shooting % when under 21.

Hopefully he can follow the trajectory of the others in future years.

If he can improve his defense like Klay Thompson that'd be a bonus too.
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1258 » by sunsbum » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:52 am

I remember a long time ago a couple of fools on the general board compared Devin Booker to Monta Ellis and Matt Barnes.... Those were the good ole days, 96 whole hours ago.
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Post#1259 » by gaspar » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:01 pm

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Post#1260 » by sunsbum » Sat Apr 1, 2017 5:02 pm

People are obviously making the Kobe comparison on the offensive side. Booker will never be a great defender, just like he will never be a super athletic player. You can still be great in this league with average defense. Booker is already better than Brandon Roy.
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