Sign beasley?

[Ryu]

I`d maybe sign Beas only if Nash and Hill stay. To be succesful he needs to be surrounded with veteran leaders, imo.

[rsavaj]

Look beyond the "omg 20 ppg!" and start exploring his advanced stats.

A lot of shine comes off the apple. There's a reason people aren't constantly calling Minny trying to get him.

[Stix]

Look beyond the "omg 20 ppg!" and start exploring his advanced stats.

A lot of shine comes off the apple. There's a reason people aren't constantly calling Minny trying to get him.

such as?

[rsavaj]

Look beyond the "omg 20 ppg!" and start exploring his advanced stats.

A lot of shine comes off the apple. There's a reason people aren't constantly calling Minny trying to get him.

such as?

He has this reputation of being a good scorer, but he's actually inefficient, and I'm not comparing him to the elite SFs. I'm comparing him to the average SF.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/180-michael-beasley

Beasley TS: 50.2%
Average SF: 53.1%

Beasley Wins Produced per 48: -0.014(ranked last on his team, by the way)
Average SF: .099

http://www.nerdnumbers.com/splits?team= ... F01%2F2012

Heck, he was last on his team of Points over Par: -.86

He put up a PER of 13. League average is 15.

His adjusted +/- numbers this year were at a -2.73, ahead of only Ridnour, Barea, Wayne Elington, and Wesley Johnson.

By every major advanced metric(PER, Wins Produced, Points Over Par, Adjusted +/-), Beasley is either below average or bad. I'm not saying he'll be bad forever, but lets not ignore reality. He has not been a productive NBA player.

Would I take a flyer on him? Sure, if it didn't cost us anything.

[Stix]

Are you taking this from last year's numbers?

Try looking at 2010-2011, where he actually averaged 32 mpg and a PER over 18. And he didnt have derrick williams hiking up his jock.

[Qwigglez]

I'd still take a chance on him, he is an elite threat, and a gym rat, constantly trying to improve. He's hit a couple of game winners, and he is a go-to guy in the stretch. With Nash around, his productivity will surely skyrocket.

[Cutter]

No to Easy Beas.

[rsavaj]

Are you taking this from last year's numbers?

Try looking at 2010-2011, where he actually averaged 32 mpg and a PER over 18. And he didnt have derrick williams hiking up his jock.

All right, lets look at his 2010-2011 stats.

First of all, I don't know where you got the 18 PER from. He had a 15.1 PER in 2010-2011, which is basically the league average: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lmi01.html

Let's look at his efficiency.

Beasley: 51% TS
Avg SF: 54% TS

Beasley Wins Produced per 48: -.100
Avg SF Wins Produced per 48: +.099

Unfortunately the points over par metric was only measured starting this season, so I can't look up his 2010-2011 PoP.

Adjusted +/- for 2010-2011 was -.06. That was somehow Minnesota's 3rd best mark, which says a lot more about how bad they were than it does about how "good" Beasley was(good being a relative term, because a negative adjusted plus/minus still means your team played better with you off the floor).

So PER, Adjusted +/-, TS% and WP48 show that he was a mediocre, inefficient player who did not have a positive impact on his squad. Just like he was this past season.

To be honest, I hadn't looked at these numbers in detail for quite some while until this thread, and even I'm surprised at how bad he is. I thought he was better than this, but he's been a pretty poor player ever since he was drafted.

Still, he's 23 years old, so he has plenty of time to turn it around. Like I said, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if it's a low-cost move.

[Stix]

All right, lets look at his 2010-2011 stats.

First of all, I don't know where you got the 18 PER from. He had a 15.1 PER in 2010-2011, which is basically the league average: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lmi01.html

Let's look at his efficiency.

Beasley: 51% TS
Avg SF: 54% TS

Beasley Wins Produced per 48: -.100
Avg SF Wins Produced per 48: +.099

Unfortunately the points over par metric was only measured starting this season, so I can't look up his 2010-2011 PoP.

Adjusted +/- for 2010-2011 was -.06. That was somehow Minnesota's 3rd best mark, which says a lot more about how bad they were than it does about how "good" Beasley was(good being a relative term, because a negative adjusted plus/minus still means your team played better with you off the floor).

So PER, Adjusted +/-, TS% and WP48 show that he was a mediocre, inefficient player who did not have a positive impact on his squad. Just like he was this past season.

To be honest, I hadn't looked at these numbers in detail for quite some while until this thread, and even I'm surprised at how bad he is. I thought he was better than this, but he's been a pretty poor player ever since he was drafted.

Still, he's 23 years old, so he has plenty of time to turn it around. Like I said, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if it's a low-cost move.

I am talking about player efficiency rating. In 2010, Beasley had a PER of over 18. It has since gone down due to him playing out of position and derrick williams taking time from him. I don;t know where you get 15.1 from, the only stat I see on that link that is 15.1 is his PPG from last year. Deflated also for reasons above.

His efficiency numbers are much better at the PF spot which is where we would play him. I don't have the stats, but I am sure you have those...

Also, you can't just pull random TEAM stats and compare them on an individual basis. The bottom line here is that dude can score and does it quite well. Wins produced man? really? We're talking about the f'king t'wolves here. Wins produced? On a sub .500 team? I can't even find that stat on the link you provide either.

[rsavaj]

All right, lets look at his 2010-2011 stats.

First of all, I don't know where you got the 18 PER from. He had a 15.1 PER in 2010-2011, which is basically the league average: http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lmi01.html

Let's look at his efficiency.

Beasley: 51% TS
Avg SF: 54% TS

Beasley Wins Produced per 48: -.100
Avg SF Wins Produced per 48: +.099

Unfortunately the points over par metric was only measured starting this season, so I can't look up his 2010-2011 PoP.

Adjusted +/- for 2010-2011 was -.06. That was somehow Minnesota's 3rd best mark, which says a lot more about how bad they were than it does about how "good" Beasley was(good being a relative term, because a negative adjusted plus/minus still means your team played better with you off the floor).

So PER, Adjusted +/-, TS% and WP48 show that he was a mediocre, inefficient player who did not have a positive impact on his squad. Just like he was this past season.

To be honest, I hadn't looked at these numbers in detail for quite some while until this thread, and even I'm surprised at how bad he is. I thought he was better than this, but he's been a pretty poor player ever since he was drafted.

Still, he's 23 years old, so he has plenty of time to turn it around. Like I said, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if it's a low-cost move.

I am talking about player efficiency rating. In 2010, Beasley had a PER of over 18. It has since gone down due to him playing out of position and derrick williams taking time from him. I don;t know where you get 15.1 from, the only stat I see on that link that is 15.1 is his PPG from last year. Deflated also for reasons above.

His efficiency numbers are much better at the PF spot which is where we would play him. I don't have the stats, but I am sure you have those...

Also, you can't just pull random TEAM stats and compare them on an individual basis. The bottom line here is that dude can score and does it quite well. Wins produced man? really? We're talking about the f'king t'wolves here. Wins produced? On a sub .500 team? I can't even find that stat on the link you provide either.

You make some good points, man, especially about wins produced and playing him at PF.

I found the Wins Produced stat on http://www.thenbageek.com/players/180-michael-beasley , under 2010-2011.

Regarding his efficiency, if you look at the basketballreference link under "Advanced", you'll see that his Player Efficiency Rating for 2010-2011(last season) was 15.5. I made a mistake and read it as 15.1

Beasley Player Efficiency Rating
08-09: 17.2
09-10: 16.1
10-11: 15.5
11-12: 13.0

That is a bit of an alarming trend. His raw ppg totals look nice, but his scoring efficiency(those TS numbers I posted) show him to inefficient. So he's a high-volume, low-percentage guy.

I do not doubt that he would play much better next to Nash, but I don't know if Nash will be here next season.

I wonder what it'll cost to acquire him.

[TASTIC]

I want nothing to do with him. Let a team like CHA who needs some scoring/youth sign him to $8 - $10m per...

[lilfishi22]

I agree we should stop looking at good character guys as a prequisite for potential signings but I also want us to stop looking at guys hoping Nash will make them better.

Nash's time as the "system" is over, we have to stop signing guys like Warrick, Redd, Brown and Frye because those guys are duds without Nash. We need some legit talent and/or youth with potential.

[JMac1]

Two things as far as Beasley....


1. Stats are for nerds. That Per crap is such garbage...oops HOT garbage!
2. Beggars can't be choosers!

He'd be the most talented guy on the team and fun to watch.


Edit Kerrsed..I need a new Sig...what up with that?

[Qwigglez]

I agree we should stop looking at good character guys as a prequisite for potential signings but I also want us to stop looking at guys hoping Nash will make them better.

Nash's time as the "system" is over, we have to stop signing guys like Warrick, Redd, Brown and Frye because those guys are duds without Nash. We need some legit talent and/or youth with potential.

Agreed.

[Kerrsed]

Edit Kerrsed..I need a new Sig...what up with that?

Whatcha want?

[JMac1]

Edit Kerrsed..I need a new Sig...what up with that?

Whatcha want?

My man...

You are much more creative than I at this....soooo surprise me. I know I want something with KJ tho.. thanks my brotha

[bwgood77]

Edit Kerrsed..I need a new Sig...what up with that?

Whatcha want?

My man...

You are much more creative than I at this....soooo surprise me. I know I want something with KJ tho.. thanks my brotha

Dunking over Hakeem!

[Stix]

I agree we should stop looking at good character guys as a prequisite for potential signings but I also want us to stop looking at guys hoping Nash will make them better.

Nash's time as the "system" is over, we have to stop signing guys like Warrick, Redd, Brown and Frye because those guys are duds without Nash. We need some legit talent and/or youth with potential.

Bease doesn't need Nash, this is exactly why we SHOULD sign him. It's important to do it now, while his value is still relatively low.

[lilfishi22]

I agree we should stop looking at good character guys as a prequisite for potential signings but I also want us to stop looking at guys hoping Nash will make them better.

Nash's time as the "system" is over, we have to stop signing guys like Warrick, Redd, Brown and Frye because those guys are duds without Nash. We need some legit talent and/or youth with potential.

Bease doesn't need Nash, this is exactly why we SHOULD sign him. It's important to do it now, while his value is still relatively low.

I'm all for signing Beasley. As someone has already mentioned, he'd easily be the most skilled and most exciting player on our roster after Nash.

[JMac1]

Dunking over Hakeem!

Yea....... Can you hook that up for me Kerrsed