Suns Offseason Thread 4: Where's Terrence Williams?

[batsmasher]

What Ryan does here is really going to tell us what type of GM he is. To date he has been the 'asset manager' who cares only about a contract and not a fit, with the hope that some time in the future he can upgrade that value into a superstar. This was the pseudo-rebuilding phase, where winning wasn't really the main goal and Ryan was more interested in growing his assets, which sort of lends itself to the high tempo "free for all" offense Horny runs.

But now we're sort of at a crossroads because we've established a core and taken away some of the flexibility to "play with assets" in the process. Why is it such a big deal? Because taking out all the peripherals, Kieff is probably a top 10 value contract in the NBA. Kieff's contract was a key cog to this team's flexibility. He could have been a stepping stone to securing the 'disgruntled superstar'. Instead, he's just a stone, a useless stone like his brother.

Ryan the 'asset manager' has a problem. He's already done the hard work signing Kieff to a super extension. That all goes to waste if he gives in to Kieff. Unfortunately though, Ryan's already stepped out of the pseudo-tanking phase and into the pseudo play-off phase because he thought he had a core. Team chemistry is now a serious issue in getting this team to the playoffs, and Kieff's threats of turning poisonous on the locker room at least hold some weight.

If I were him I'd ask WWMCD? What would Mark Cuban do? He'd tell Kieff to STFU and remind him that he is the EMPLOYEE. You're not going to turn up and play? Fine, you can be suspended without pay. You're gonna try and mess up the locker room? Go ahead, Tyson Chandler will be waiting for you.

McD needs to prove himself and validate his leadership of the franchise. Show Kieff that he too, can play dirty (without getting felony charges in the process). Make the Morrii look like immature fools. It won't be too hard based on the events of the last 6 months.

PS: If you didn't want to get traded without consent Marcus, there's this thing called a no trade clause. Maybe you and Kieff could have hired yourselves an agent as good as your lawyer and then you wouldn't even be in this situation.

[thamadkant]

Okay, so now that it is "official", hopefully everyone is on the same page regarding Kieff.


As others and myself has stated it was only a matter of time before
(a) Markieff let's the public and Suns know he wants out,

(b) he'll do it in a douche way that he'll make us hate him... I said that on this thread a couple of weeks back.

The Kieff fans were way too optimistic and weren't looking at the simple and most logical scenario after the Marcua trade.


Also one more person to go... And everyone will either be drafted or traded for by McD...

He is cleaning house.

[batsmasher]

Also one more person to go... And everyone will either be drafted or traded for by McD...

He is cleaning house.

This excites me, a lot.

Then we can officially blame him for everything.

[thamadkant]

You have Bledsoe, Zoran & Goran Dragic, Marcus and Markieff Morris, and Gerald Green's agent that have said bad things about the Suns. Just not a good look for any free agents thinkin Phoenix.

Nope, not buying it.

Gerald Green's agent wanted money for Gerald. Sure he could of been traded for picks earlier in the season, but McD shouldn't make decisions BASED on player needs as priority... Team needs come first. Suns were battling for 8th spot (sadly, not going to go into that again) and Green's offense can come handy.


Regarding Bledsoe... Rich Paul is a douche bag agent who thinks all his clients are max players.


Goran Dragic wanted to be treated like Steph Curry, he also wanted the max. McD and the FO publicly stated they will give him the max if he commits.... Instead publicly demands a trade a day before deadline. He wanted to be paid and to be the man... When McD and the coaching staff was trying a way to make Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas work together, sacrifice some individualism for the team... Dragic wanted to be man.

Morris twins were signed at FAIR value considering they have huge gaps in their games. This is a business, you get paid millions of dollars to be able to cope with being traded when a situation that benefits the team arises. It's happened to players better than the Morris twins and it will happen to other players in the future... It's business.
The twins took it personally because they weren't told... Lol. Considering the situation where Suns were secretly trying to sign Chandler and make a run for Aldridge, as well as McD being very secretive in his transactions and they can come out of the left field... Marcus and Markieff are not MVPs or All stars to be "catered" for.... They are employees paid millions of dollars to be part of the process and the business.

McD... As far as I'm aware has gotten rid of players he didn't bring in.
Thomas and Plumlee were acquired to be shipped off for better assets and arguably McD got it done.

[Revived]

I don't understand how some of you say Brandon Knight is overpaid. If he took 2.5 more shots per game he'd have the same stats as Kyrie Irving except with more boards (and more turnovers, worst FG%). Anyway, I just think Knight gets a lot of unfair hate because of... well this video sums it up.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1--j4fi4U[/youtube]

Calm down, so I post once in the past 10 pages of this thread that Knoght got more money from us than he would anywhere else and its "a lot of unfair hate"?

I haven't seen anyone else post anything bad about his contract recently. I haven't posted anything bad about his contract recently either.

As for most of the NBA fans (non Suns fans) thinking he's hella overpaid and that he sucks, it's because he has a lot of Javale McGee type moments. It's either stupid decisions or him getting ankles broken by Kyrie. There's a reason why the Bucks fans celebrated as if they just won the title when they traded Knight. Too bad for them their stuck with MCW instead now

[Mr Puddles]

I don't understand how some of you say Brandon Knight is overpaid. If he took 2.5 more shots per game he'd have the same stats as Kyrie Irving except with more boards (and more turnovers, worst FG%). Anyway, I just think Knight gets a lot of unfair hate because of... well this video sums it up.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1--j4fi4U[/youtube]

Especially the backlash after that missed lay-up against the Nets was unwarranted in my opinion. Knight stealing the ball prevented a potential game winner by brooklyn. Sure he missed an open lay-up with the clock winding down and sprinting coast-to-coast in 3 seconds, but that steal was HUGE for his team - eventually allowing them to win the game in the next overtime.

[theSUNalsoRISES]

So does the request actually change anything?...I'm genuinely asking...I can only remember Kobe being overruled on he's request. Are we actually obligated to find a trade or is this just kief talking ****....

[RaisingArizona]

So does the request actually change anything?...I'm genuinely asking...I can only remember Kobe being overruled on he's request. Are we actually obligated to find a trade or is this just kief talking ****....

He's got no leverage here. The only leverage is do the Suns want to really keep this guy around the team if he's going to be a drama queen? We have to try and get something salvageable back in return so it may be a waiting game.

[RaisingArizona]

Why do my former favorite players transform into giant morons? First Goran, now Markieff.

You never liked Dragic even half as much as you did the Morris twins. You were riding the Morris you-know-what hard for several years especially the last year.

You argued all year long that their not idiots and morons and now it's flip flopping time? Lol.

Next time, please open your eyes and see what is actually going on.

These douchebags proved their douchebagness the moment they called out fans for not being loud enough after getting spanked by the Spurs at home in like 20 or 40 pt loss or something. It should have been clear to you then.

I liked Goran for a lot longer than Kieff. In fact, I did not like the Suns drafting Kieff (somebody search the 2011 draft thread). While his comments were stupid, I do agree that our fanbase is pathetic at most times. Sad when **** teams like Boston, Det can come into your house and have nearly as many fans as the Suns do. I get it though, most fans don't want to support an average product especially when ticket prices and concession prices are what they are.

[lilfishi22]

So does the request actually change anything?...I'm genuinely asking...I can only remember Kobe being overruled on he's request. Are we actually obligated to find a trade or is this just kief talking ****....

He's under contract so we're at no obligation to do anything

[Qwigglez]

I don't understand how some of you say Brandon Knight is overpaid. If he took 2.5 more shots per game he'd have the same stats as Kyrie Irving except with more boards (and more turnovers, worst FG%). Anyway, I just think Knight gets a lot of unfair hate because of... well this video sums it up.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj1--j4fi4U[/youtube]

Calm down, so I post once in the past 10 pages of this thread that Knoght got more money from us than he would anywhere else and its "a lot of unfair hate"?

I haven't seen anyone else post anything bad about his contract recently. I haven't posted anything bad about his contract recently either.

As for most of the NBA fans (non Suns fans) thinking he's hella overpaid and that he sucks, it's because he has a lot of Javale McGee type moments. It's either stupid decisions or him getting ankles broken by Kyrie. There's a reason why the Bucks fans celebrated as if they just won the title when they traded Knight. Too bad for them their stuck with MCW instead now

Lol. I am calm. Yes, your post might have sparked my post, but everything wasn't geared towards you. I mostly remember the GB when we initially signed BKnight and everyone was laughing saying we overpaid, and I just don't think we did. Though I don't like to argue on the GB because they get horde/hive mentally and just go with the overall consensus opinion it seems like.
And yeah, just in case anyone else thinks Knight is overpaid I'd like to remind them, if he just takes 2.5 more shots per game, he'd have the same statistics as Kyrie Irving, who is an all-star, and considered a franchise cornerstone.

[Saberestar]

"I'm the premier player of the team".

Markieff is a joke.

[Saberestar]

He is going to tell the Suns he has too much animosity to play here. If he is not traded he will show the Suns a different side of him.

His plan is to be the worst teammate and employee possible to force a trade

Markieff plans on showing up for the first time at media day to create an absolute circus for the Suns

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gambo987

[aIvin adams]

He is going to tell the Suns he has too much animosity to play here. If he is not traded he will show the Suns a different side of him.

His plan is to be the worst teammate and employee possible to force a trade

Markieff plans on showing up for the first time at media day to create an absolute circus for the Suns

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gambo987

That can't be right. Because that would be unprofessional. And markieff is a professional.

So there must be some mistake.

[Flying Colors]

He is going to tell the Suns he has too much animosity to play here. If he is not traded he will show the Suns a different side of him.

His plan is to be the worst teammate and employee possible to force a trade

Markieff plans on showing up for the first time at media day to create an absolute circus for the Suns

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gambo987

thats a great way to make no team in the league want you

At a certain point, McD should let Kieff sit in on him making calls to other teams to see what their interest is

*McD calls another teams GM*

GM- Hello?

McD - Hey there i just wanted to know if you have any interest in Kieff?

*GM hangs phone*

McD - ......

Kieff - .......

[Mulhollanddrive]

Archie Goodwin has said if he doesn't get playing time, it's his agents job to get him elsewhere (paraphrasing). Bledsoe sacrificed his own and the team's season to get some extra dollars and not show up til he did. Dragic spoke out about his role and blackmailed the team into trading him for something. Morris wants to sabotage the entire franchise so he can get out, running down his value in the process as he's locked in for $32m.

That's why you have management. They're as highly paid as some of the players, and it's their job to set expectations and culture. If you cave in to selfish demands, there's going to be more around the corner. Make a stand, we're not sacrificing a title run if we tell Morris he's playing D-League, the respect gained for the team will be worth a lot more than breaking even in a trade.

[Moochthemonkey]

Archie Goodwin has said if he doesn't get playing time, it's his agents job to get him elsewhere (paraphrasing). Bledsoe sacrificed his own and the team's season to get some extra dollars and not show up til he did. Dragic spoke out about his role and blackmailed the team into trading him for something. Morris wants to sabotage the entire franchise so he can get out, running down his value in the process as he's locked in for $32m.

That's why you have management. They're as highly paid as some of the players, and it's their job to set expectations and culture. If you cave in to selfish demands, there's going to be more around the corner. Make a stand, we're not sacrificing a title run if we tell Morris he's playing D-League, the respect gained for the team will be worth a lot more than breaking even in a trade.

that would be swell, except you can only send players on rookie contracts to the D-league. Otherwise the player has to agree upon playing there.

[Moochthemonkey]

Okay, so now that it is "official", hopefully everyone is on the same page regarding Kieff.


As others and myself has stated it was only a matter of time before
(a) Markieff let's the public and Suns know he wants out,

(b) he'll do it in a douche way that he'll make us hate him... I said that on this thread a couple of weeks back.

The Kieff fans were way too optimistic and weren't looking at the simple and most logical scenario after the Marcua trade.


Also one more person to go... And everyone will either be drafted or traded for by McD...

He is cleaning house.

you forgot Tucker. he was here before McD, and is now the longest tenure Sun lol

[Flying Colors]

i just hope we get a decent big man out of him, i think we have enough guards and small fowards

[batsmasher]

you forgot Tucker. he was here before McD, and is now the longest tenure Sun lol

Proof that vodka is the key to longevity.