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Draft Thread Part 2

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If we keep the 4th pick, who do you want to take?

Bender
57
51%
Brown
15
14%
Chriss
8
7%
Dunn
6
5%
Ellenson
4
4%
Hield
11
10%
Murray
10
9%
 
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#396 » by bwgood77 » Wed May 11, 2016 7:03 pm

Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Simmons, Ingram, Bender. In that order. If we don't get one of those guys with our first pick, I really don't care who we pick or even if we trade it.


I do think there is a good chance that even if we drop down to 5 or 6, and 5th is the most likely place we will draft, that Bender will be there, because LA has kind of said they will trade their pick if they keep it, and I can't see Philly taking Bender if they drop to 3 or 4 or have two picks because they have 3 centers AND Saric already. They will take guard(s). And Boston needs shooting and probably wants a guy that can help their competitive team now, and with IT having only a year left, a guy like Murray makes sense considering Smart isn't that good of a shooter.

It would have to be another random team jumping to 3rd that might take Bender. Minny could, but they could also go with Dunn or Murray, or even Hield, since they need perimeter shooting and/or possibly a good backup for Rubio (or potential replacement for him in the future).

I think New Orleans, Denver, Sacramento or Toronto would all go guard, and probably Milwaukee.

I think he might slide, perhaps (in the worst case scenario that three teams jump us) even to 7, and for no other reason than the fact that most of those teams need guards. Minnesota would be the big question mark, but they are pretty close to being ready to compete, so if they want a big they might go with someone like Ellenson who may contribute more. Plus Ellenson is from up north and University of Minnesota was really after him.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#397 » by sunshoopjunky » Wed May 11, 2016 7:10 pm

I am not a Bender fan. Once we know the draft order it will narrow down things a lot for me. As far as my draft thoughts at this point go, I would like to get any two of the following: Simmons, Ingram, Brown, Sabaonis, Dejounte Murray, Labissiere, Korkmaz, and Chris. I think that can still be done by moving the first pick and picking up assets or as part of a larger trade.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#398 » by jcsunsfan » Wed May 11, 2016 8:19 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
jcsunsfan wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:Some cheeky Suns draft facts:
  • Since the NBA adopted a lottery system in 1985, the Suns have moved up only twice as a result of the lottery
  • The Suns have not moved up in the draft lottery since 1987
  • Suns are the longest running franchise without ever getting a #1 pick in American sports
  • Former draft choices at #4: Suns legends Corky Calhoun, John Shumate, and some dude named Alvan Adams. After playing a some time in the NBA, Corky opted for a more lucrative career at Exxon Mobil.
  • The Suns currently have the league's 3rd longest playoff drought. The last time the Suns made the playoffs, Tyreke Evans was rookie of the year and middle school student Devin Booker was rocking out to the year's chart topper: Justin Bieber's magnum opus 'baby'. In comparison though, the last time the Wolves made the playoffs, Charles Oakley was still in the NBA.


I would dispute the fact that the Suns are the longest running franchise without a #1 pick. The football Cardinals have not had one since th e1950's.


You may have missed the bolded part.
Suns are the longest running franchise without ever getting a #1 pick in American sports


K. Fair enough.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#399 » by Gorilla Warfare » Thu May 12, 2016 2:32 am

If we can get Simmons/Ingram/Bender, mutha Furkan Korkmaz, and Thon Maker it could be our best draft, possibly ever. A starter, a role player, and a prospect. Also bring up Bogdan.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#400 » by bhawk » Thu May 12, 2016 2:48 pm

bhawk wrote:The comp for Jason Terry is this guy...

Player XXXX (6-1 ½ without shoes) was the lightest player in Chicago at 177 pounds, and registered the second lowest body fat percentage at 4.2%. Amongst point guards drafted in the top-15, XXXX height/weight combination is similar to Jason Terry's (6-1.5 without shoes, 176 pounds). His 6-6 ¾ wingspan is well above average, and his size should be an advantage for him as he continues to pack weight on his frame.

While capable of making some outstanding passes at times, XXXX doesn't consistently show great court vision or the ability to control tempo. He's also not someone that is considered a great leader, as he's somewhat shy and reserved off the court, being described by those around him as having different interests than your typical 19-year old athlete. This could (and probably should) be viewed a major plus by many image-conscious organizations. With that said, all these factors combined are all things that NBA teams will need to ponder when projecting his initial role and long-term potential at the point.

As a scorer, there's a lot to like about XXXX, and he has the versatility to fit in many offenses. He's a good, albeit sometimes streaky (largely related to at times poor shot selection), shooter with NBA three point range, who shows the ability to hit shots off catch and shoot situations, off the dribble, and coming off screens. He shows an ability to come off a baseline screen, make a tight curl, and square up and convert the attempt. He's also continuing to improve as a catch and shoot player, continuing to improve the consistency of his release on catch and shoot attempts, which he shows good form and elevation on.

This ability to score off the ball should ease his transition to the NBA game, allowing him to get playing time off the bench as a combo guard, or perhaps starting next to either a big point guard or a ball-dominant guard/wing (such as Tyreke Evans), as he's learning the nuances of the NBA point guard position.

With the ball in his hands he is hard to defend in pick and roll situations, as he has the speed to turn the corner going right, and shows an ability to hit shots off the dribble if defenders go under the pick, although he could improve his recognition as a passer in these sets, a statement you could make about his offensive game in general.

He's a good isolation player who uses his first step and misdirection moves to get into the paint. When in the paint he's not the strongest or most explosive athlete, but has very good touch with his right hand, which he combines with floaters and runners in the lane, doing a good job of shielding the ball from defenders, to get his shots off effectively over bigger defenders. He is strong hand dominant, particularly when finishing around the basket, as he'll often times force an attempt with his strong hand, back into the defender.

XXXX passing game in general is a major cause for concern based on what he's shown very early on in college, as he rarely looks for teammates when creating his own shot, getting most of his assists by simply moving the ball around the perimeter in the flow of the offense.


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Back to Buddy... he is the best shooter in the draft. He has the highest character and is the most competitive from what I have read. Buddy gets drafted at #3 behind Ingram and Bender. He is the 3rd best player in the draft and will win rookie of the year.

The Jason Terry comp above is Brandon Knight.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#401 » by darealjuice » Thu May 12, 2016 4:52 pm

https://mediacentral.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/53/2016/05/2016-Draft-Combine-Anthropometric-Results.pdf

Official measurements from the Draft Combine.

Wade Baldwin IV at 6' 4" with a 6' 11.25" wing span is absolutely ridiculous.
Marquese Chriss at 6' 10" with a 7' .5" wing span is pretty good, seems like he grew a little bit.
Deyonta Davis at 6' 10.5" with a 7' 2.5" wing span and 9' standing reach is pretty damn good. Not his biggest fan but he's got some pretty impressive length, disappointed he won't be doing any on-court stuff.
Chiek Diallo would be interesting if we still keep our 2nd rounder, dude's got some crazy length and could be an interesting project.
Ellenson has a pretty high body fat for a pro athlete, but I wonder if he'd be any more athletic if he got down around 7% lol. His measurements came out pretty good, probably gonna be able to play some Center.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#402 » by MathiasPW » Thu May 12, 2016 5:15 pm

Chriss came a bit taller and thinner than expected, and with high body fat. Not sure how that will affect him. Taller is good, but having only 222 pounds with 9.5% body fat is bad. Guess it's easier to fix, though.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#403 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu May 12, 2016 5:19 pm

MathiasPW wrote:Chriss came a bit taller and thinner than expected, and with high body fat. Not sure how that will affect him. Taller is good, but having only 222 pounds with 9.5% body fat is bad. Guess it's easier to fix, though.


Chriss was 233 - definitely heavier than I expected. Only 4 pounds lighter than Davis.

Baldwin and Ellenson were the real winners. Body fat you can deal with. Trainers can't help with wingspan.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#404 » by gaspar » Thu May 12, 2016 5:31 pm

Ulis 149 pounds :lol:
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#405 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu May 12, 2016 5:34 pm

gaspar wrote:Ulis 149 pounds :lol:


And that was how the most skilled player in the draft went in the second round.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#406 » by darealjuice » Thu May 12, 2016 5:39 pm

gaspar wrote:Ulis 149 pounds :lol:


He's gonna need to put like 30 pounds on, or he's going to get bullied by literally everyone in the NBA. Felder at 177 is pretty damn good though.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#407 » by gaspar » Thu May 12, 2016 5:44 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/730804912095940610[/tweet]
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#408 » by gaspar » Thu May 12, 2016 5:53 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/si_nba/status/730553493631553538[/tweet]
great read
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#409 » by Saberestar » Thu May 12, 2016 5:57 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
gaspar wrote:Ulis 149 pounds :lol:


And that was how the most skilled player in the draft went in the second round.

But the great thing is that he is 5'10, one inch taller than expected, along with a 6'2 wingspan .
He can gain weight and strength over the years, I’m not concerned about that.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#410 » by darealjuice » Thu May 12, 2016 5:59 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/TheVertical/status/730788829947273216[/tweet]

Interesting look at a workout Skal had last night. The DraftExpress guys seemed pretty impressed by him.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#411 » by bhawk » Thu May 12, 2016 6:06 pm

Go Buddy.... he is my #3. Hope that he is a Sun!

"Oklahoma standout Buddy Hield measured a bit longer than expected at 6'5 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan. Hield doesn't have standout size for a shooting guard, but he has well above average height and length to go along with a solid 212-pound frame that ranks prominently among prospects at his position historically."
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#412 » by Saberestar » Thu May 12, 2016 6:21 pm

bhawk wrote:Go Buddy.... he is my #3. Hope that he is a Sun!

"Oklahoma standout Buddy Hield measured a bit longer than expected at 6'5 in shoes with a 6'9.25 wingspan. Hield doesn't have standout size for a shooting guard, but he has well above average height and length to go along with a solid 212-pound frame that ranks prominently among prospects at his position historically."

Yeah, with that size I think he is gonna be able to play even some minutes at SF. He is really strong and tough too.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#413 » by bhawk » Thu May 12, 2016 6:26 pm

I'm beating the horse on this point, but work ethic, personality, drive, competitiveness is what the Suns should be looking for... look no further than Buddy...

http://www.si.com/edge/2016/05/11/nba-draft-combine-results-measurements-vertical-jump-value

"This information gives teams a glimpse into a player’s versatility, especially as a defender. Wang uses the example of Draymond Green, a player that he worked with at the Warriors. At 6’7” he can play much bigger because of his large wingspan and reach—Green's 8’10" standing reach was greater than fellow 2011 Combine participants Drew Gordon, Miles Plumlee, Harrison Barnes and Tyler Zeller, who are all taller than Green.
So while all of those players also outperformed Green’s numbers in the vertical jump, Wang asserts that work ethic and drive—two traits that aren't measured at the Combine—give Green an edge over other players.

“Figuring out which players have those personality traits—through the interviews, personality tests and sports psychologists—may be the real useful part of the Combine,” Wang says. “In fact, character and work ethic have become increasingly more important to NBA teams in the last 10 years."
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#414 » by rsavaj » Thu May 12, 2016 7:16 pm

DX has us taking Dunn, Luwau and Zhou Qi in a mock draft that doesn't take team needs into account.

I wouldn't be too upset with that. It sure would be nice if we could move into the top 3 though...Ingram/Simmons would be amazing. Bender would be nice too.

I think Thon Maker is worth a flyer in the 2nd round. Gary Payton's kid seems like he'd be a decent pickup too, if we could nab an extra pick.
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Re: 2016 Draft 

Post#415 » by dremill24 » Thu May 12, 2016 7:25 pm

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/PompeyOnSixers/status/730804912095940610[/tweet]



So he speaks broken English? Or is this guy trying to criticize with misquoted text?
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