Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[batsmasher]

I disagree. He could have used any number of methods to counter what saintescation posted without calling his post a lie. Are you now saying that the next post I disagree with I can just call the post a lie? "hey lilfishi, your post is just a bunch of lies." "Hey lilfishi, I'm going to refute the lies in your post one by one." Saying or implying someone is lying is made to escalate a situation, not de-escalate it. Shouldn't a mod de-escalate? I don't think I've ever heard you call someone's post a lie, and by extension implying the poster is a liar.

Mate, you're sticking up for an argument that isn't even yours. And you're calling him the troll?

#hypocrisy #idontevenlikehashtags #whatamidoing #august #killme

[bwgood77]

I disagree. He could have used any number of methods to counter what saintescation posted without calling his post a lie. Are you now saying that the next post I disagree with I can just call the post a lie? "hey lilfishi, your post is just a bunch of lies." "Hey lilfishi, I'm going to refute the lies in your post one by one." Saying or implying someone is lying is made to escalate a situation, not de-escalate it. Shouldn't a mod de-escalate? I don't think I've ever heard you call someone's post a lie, and by extension implying the poster is a liar.

Mate, you're sticking up for an argument that isn't even yours. And you're calling him the troll?

#hypocrisy #idontevenlikehashtags #whatamidoing #august #killme

Love the hashtags, and agree with the post. Hashtags outside of twitter was a pet peeve of mine. I used to post this when people used them on facebook, before facebook started using them... http://memegenerator.net/instance/29352363

I know mainly it's meant to be funny, and yours is one of the first that was actually funny.

[lilfishi22]

I disagree. He could have used any number of methods to counter what saintescation posted without calling his post a lie. Are you now saying that the next post I disagree with I can just call the post a lie? "hey lilfishi, your post is just a bunch of lies." "Hey lilfishi, I'm going to refute the lies in your post one by one." Saying or implying someone is lying is made to escalate a situation, not de-escalate it. Shouldn't a mod de-escalate? I don't think I've ever heard you call someone's post a lie, and by extension implying the poster is a liar.

I have an issue with this. Calling my post genius doesn't mean you're calling me a genius. It only means that post, at that point in time, in that particular conversation was genius. Just as calling a post a lie, doesn't mean he's implying saintescation should be branded a liar, only his post in a vacuum is untruthful. Again, I'm haven't gone deep enough to validate either party's proof points, only that it's clear both party's have gone to significant effort in doing research to back up their's.

bondom called the post a lie because he believed it was, based on the information and background he has. I have no issues in a poster calling out a post as a lie, if you can prove it is so. Could bondom have used another word other than lie? Sure, but to devalue his entire post because he used the word "lie" and then call him a troll (which is a direct personal attack, mind you) adds nothing to the conversation. If you have an issue with his post, then attack his points.

This isn't really the forum to be discussing whether bondom is right or wrong as this is going OT but I'm happy to take this offline and discuss through PM with you.

[Frank Lee]

[thamadkant]

Wow, is it that time of the month for some people here lol.
Over sensitivity to the extreme.


Westbrook is an energizer bunny, thats all I'm going to say. That month of March I think he was on PEDs the way he was playing at top gear and 110% 40+ minutes a night. Never seen a player that energized with little fatigue, and he wasnt settling for jump shots, he was attacking and attacking. Sure tons of phantom calls, but still, the aggressiveness rewarded him.

Bledsoe is too jacked IMO (more muscle, higher energy burn rate), he looks like he gets tired and needs a breather to re-gather his energy. Maybe he should give Westbrook a ring for some "tips" and "hook-ups", I would love to see Bledsoe go "110%" 40 mins a night for a few months lol.

[bwgood77]

Wow, is it that time of the month for some people here lol.
Over sensitivity to the extreme.


Westbrook is an energizer bunny, thats all I'm going to say. That month of March I think he was on PEDs the way he was playing at top gear and 110% 40+ minutes a night. Never seen a player that energized with little fatigue, and he wasnt settling for jump shots, he was attacking and attacking. Sure tons of phantom calls, but still, the aggressiveness rewarded him.

Bledsoe is too jacked IMO, he looks like he gets tired and needs a breather to re-gather his energy. Maybe he should give Westbrook a ring for some "tips" and "hook-ups", I would love to see Bledsoe go "110%" 40 mins a night for a few months lol.

I think fans of both teams are likely on edge. As Suns fans we have never gone through 5 years of not making the playoffs, and it's not like we have gotten a bunch of high picks. We got one fairly high pick in a crap draft and have drafted 13 or 14 every other year. I think the last two picks in that range have been solid, so I am hopeful.

But for OKC, they were a contender, have had three seasons ruined due to injury, now have a rookie coach and the possibility of Durant leaving (I don't think he will) so from each respective team's fans, it has to be frustrating, and now we are in the dead time. Plus OKC had to overpay Kanter to keep him.

They are my second favorite team, so I can understand how frustrating it is from both sides.

[Cutter]

I disagree. He could have used any number of methods to counter what saintescation posted without calling his post a lie. Are you now saying that the next post I disagree with I can just call the post a lie? "hey lilfishi, your post is just a bunch of lies." "Hey lilfishi, I'm going to refute the lies in your post one by one." Saying or implying someone is lying is made to escalate a situation, not de-escalate it. Shouldn't a mod de-escalate? I don't think I've ever heard you call someone's post a lie, and by extension implying the poster is a liar.

Mate, you're sticking up for an argument that isn't even yours. And you're calling him the troll?

#hypocrisy #idontevenlikehashtags #whatamidoing #august #killme

You are right, this isn't my fight. But arguing over principle and what I believe is right is not, to my way of thinking, trolling. But I do get your point.

[thamadkant]

Well Westbrook has definitely climbed my Fantasy Basketball draft list.... he can put up 30/8/8 every night and I'd be fully supportive.

[oddity]

August is really bringing out the worst in people...

[Frank Lee]

yes, Wall is that much better

[JohnWall2]

Wall > Bledsoe

[letsgosuns]

So far Wall has been better than Bledsoe. Westbrook has been better than both of them. What are people still arguing about?

[bwgood77]

So far Wall has been better than Bledsoe. Westbrook has been better than both of them. What are people still arguing about?

I don't know why people debate this, though I don't know if many people said Bledsoe was better. Obviously Wall started in front of him and college. Unfortunately for Bledsoe, he was behind Wall and Paul his entire career, and he is very good, though he should focus on endurance more than the weight room at this point.

[Cutter]

Bled's not giving up the weighroom, he's got that mini LeBron physique to maintain . Eric has had games where he has shown he is every bit as good as Wall or Westbrook. The problem is that he is just not consistent, and doesn't have these high level games very often. I agree that he should tone down the muscle mass a bit. Seems like it would help his cardio if he did.

[oddity]

I actually think there's an argument for Bled being an overall more balanced and better scorer, but other than that Wall exceeds him in every category. Bledsoe has shown the ability to hit the three, albeit at only an "ok" rate. The question for him is wether he can return to that 35% he shot 2 years ago. For Wall, it's more about whether he can develop that range at all.

Edit: and to be sure nobody misconstrues my words, I would take Wall over Bled no question. Don't wanna retread tired tracks.

[letsgosuns]

I wonder what the Cavaliers are going to do with Tristan Thompson. They just signed a 7'0" center named Sasha Kaun to a two year contract. He is supposed to back up Mozgov. They already have Love signed to a max deal and Mozgov will be getting paid next Summer. Varejao is supposed to be ready for training. So now they have two centers, a power forward, and another pf/c. Four players for two spots all signed. Plus Lebron can play power forward as well.

At this point I think they made the Kaun signing in possible anticipation of Thompson leaving. Even if Thompson signs for the qualifying offer, the team's luxury tax bill will be huge because of it. If they do not want to pay Thompson and eat the luxury tax bill, their best bet is to probably sign and trade him right now. Otherwise, they run the risk of losing him next season for nothing, which is a high probability. With all the whole Markieff situation and the Rich Paul/Eric Bledsoe connection to the Suns, I can see some sort of trade happening between the two teams.

[bwgood77]

I wonder what the Cavaliers are going to do with Tristan Thompson. They just signed a 7'0" center named Sasha Kaun to a two year contract. He is supposed to back up Mozgov. They already have Love signed to a max deal and Mozgov will be getting paid next Summer. Varejao is supposed to be ready for training. So now they have two centers, a power forward, and another pf/c. Four players for two spots all signed. Plus Lebron can play power forward as well.

At this point I think they made the Kaun signing in possible anticipation of Thompson leaving. Even if Thompson signs for the qualifying offer, the team's luxury tax bill will be huge because of it. If they do not want to pay Thompson and eat the luxury tax bill, their best bet is to probably sign and trade him right now. Otherwise, they run the risk of losing him next season for nothing, which is a high probability. With all the whole Markieff situation and the Rich Paul/Eric Bledsoe connection to the Suns, I can see some sort of trade happening between the two teams.

I want our team to have nothing to do with Rich Paul. He is obviously crazy about thinking what Tristan's value is, and a frontcourt of him and Chandler would be awful offensively.

[aIvin adams]

I'd be happy to get TT on this team from the Cavs. Depends on the deal.

[lilfishi22]

Don't want anything to do with Tristan Thompson.

[Cutter]

No to TT.