Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[bigfoot]

you guys and your per 36 stats.

So if I avg 1 min a game in the nba but score 2 pts 1 assist 1 rebound

does that mean my per 36 is 72 ppg 36 apg and 36 rpg

This is the dumbest stat I have every seen! Henry Sims can be the next Whiteside. Breakout after the proper mentorship of Chandler.

Cory Jefferson per 36 is 13 ppg and 9 rpg . That stat will never happen and hence why do we use per 36?

What it means is you have no clue how to interpret statistical numbers. Your example is obviously a stupid way to use per 36. Yet there are plenty of cases where per 36 would provide a good metric for evaluating a player. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean its wrong.

[plonden]

Can Henry Sims play PF? Has anyone watched his style of play? Hopefully the suns don't try and make him a stretch 4.

He is not a stretch four. He's very effective around the rim and in the paint. He shot 58.1 percent on hook shots and 62.9 percent on layups per nba.com stats. But a sub-par jump shooter: 39.4 percent per nba.com stats.

[SideSwipe]

I was wondering what happened to Sims. Seems like I saw some good things from him over the last couple of seasons. Big bruiser body. Chase-down rebounder, a little outside game. That will be good for Alex to go up against in camp. Frankly I think we could use a real bruiser in the front court for the full season. I think if we can sign him, he would be an asset.

[Cutter]

When using Per 36 numbers the important thing to remember is "confidence interval".

For example, No Knees uses the example of a player scoring 2 points and 1 rebound in 1 minute of play. The Per 36 metric extrapolates that the player would have stats of 72 points and 36 rebounds if he played the full 36 minutes. This is where the confidence interval comes in. If a player tried to extrapolate 1 minute of play to a full 36 minutes of play he would have a confidence interval of 1/36 = 2.8% likelihood that he would actually achieve the full Per 36 number. If you try to extrapolate 1 minute of play to a Per 36 minute number you have only a very low 2.8% chance this would happen.

If Devon Booker player 18 minutes and scored 15 points and 5 rebounds, his Per 36 metric would predict 30 points and 10 rebounds with a confidence interval of 18/36 = 50% likelihood that he would actually achieve the full Per 36 stats. If Hornacek left him in the entire game there is a decent chance he achieves the predicted Per 36 stats.

If Los Soles or other stats guys are out there please let me know if I interpreted the concept of "confidence interval" correctly.

[lilfishi22]

you guys and your per 36 stats.

So if I avg 1 min a game in the nba but score 2 pts 1 assist 1 rebound

does that mean my per 36 is 72 ppg 36 apg and 36 rpg

This is the dumbest stat I have every seen! Henry Sims can be the next Whiteside. Breakout after the proper mentorship of Chandler.

Cory Jefferson per36 is 13 ppg and 9 rpg . That stat will never happen and hence why do we use per 36?

It's a crude extrapolation of actual stats which is really only insightful (not useful) to give an indication of what a player might be able to do with more consistent minutes. Obviously no one is looking at their per36 stats and saying, well if we give this guy 36 min, he'll give us X.

Essentially, it provides insight on productivity rather than actual projected production. It's only a dumb stat if you use it in a stupid way

[AtheJ415]

I like the Sims signing a lot. IMO, he will get a roster spot. He's not a stretch 4, and I could still see us jumping on one if somebody falls out with another team. That said, not everybody needs to be a stretch 4 on this team, and we have 2 in Mirza and Leuer, and another potential one in Markieff (at least for now), who the FO has stated as believing he can become a 3 point shooter.

We desperately need another PG imo. I just have 0 faith in Ronnie Price, and him playing meaningful minutes scares me. I realize Knight and Bledsoe will get most of the minutes, but one could get hurt. I guess we could sign one of the FA when that happens, but to me there are quality PGs out there who could help us.

I've never been a huge Corey Jefferson fan, but he's a solid signing when it comes to camp invites, and is a good system fit.

[lilfishi22]

I really don't mind Ronnie Price as one of our backup 1. I also don't see him playing major minutes. Both Bledsoe and Knight will be playing meaningful minutes as the sole PG in addition to starting together so there won't be much minutes for Price.

I am much more concerned about our "depth" at the 4 considering we might not actually have a starting 4 to begin the season.

[RunDogGun]

I really don't mind Ronnie Price as one of our backup 1. I also don't see him playing major minutes. Both Bledsoe and Knight will be playing meaningful minutes as the sole PG in addition to starting together so there won't be much minutes for Price.

I am much more concerned about our "depth" at the 4 considering we might not actually have a starting 4 to begin the season.

I'm not worried about Price either. Dude is a pro, and he will come in and play hard whenever his number is called. I'd really like to see Booker get better at ball handling as well as Goodwin

If we had to make a move to secure a better third string point guard, I'm sure we have enough assets and possible targets.

[TASTIC]

I like the Jefferson signing more than the Sims one.

Sims doesn't rebound well, block shots or make an outside shot that well - so he doesn't check any boxes.

Jefferson is limited but he's a VERY good rebounder and a hell of an athlete, we could use one of them considering two of our backups are Mirza and Leuer. He also played with Mirza on the Nets too...Not that it means a lot

[batsmasher]

Cory Jefferson's mom's name is Fancy Pace. Fancy Pace. Fancy. Pace.

[NavLDO]

I like the Sims signing. He has some real NBA game experience, and while clearly a bench player, at best, I'm glad we signed some big bodies. We could do worse than enter the season with Chandler/Len/Sims or Mirza/Sims/Leuer if we in fact, lose Kieff.

I don't understand why Sims is considered a poor rebounder; his numbers suggest otherwise, with 5 Rebs per 19 minutes played last season.

[jcsunsfan]

Assuming Markieff is going to be moved at some point, it is hard to know exactly which type of player would be a perfect fit with the Suns starting unit, assuming it is going to be Bledsoe, Knight, Tucker, and Chandler. Honestly, LaMarcus Aldridge was the ideal fit. Assuming we are going to be stuck with a non-star player in return for Kief, I prefer a slightly undersized three and D guy like DeMarre Carroll or Jae Crowder. We'd have impeccable spacing. The team could get up and down the floor. The first unit would have the potential to be a top-ten defense. And we'd still have a ton of firepower in the second unit.

An Ibaka type player would be good. Shooter, rebounder, defender.

[letsgosuns]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

[franksredhot]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

A Paul George Pre-Injury yes maybe..

But yea now that's just ridiculous

[Nando88]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

The author of this is named Deadpoolio, as far fetched as his "not far fetched" scenario is, I don't think it's far fetched that this article was actually written by Deadpool




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[Stix]

Some people have lost their minds.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/8/26/9204611/Suns-Markieff-Morris-Pacers-Paul-George-trade-scenario

The author of the article wants the Suns to trade Markieff, Len, Warren, Goodwin, the Suns 2016 first round pick, the Heat's 2021 COMPLETELY UNPROTECTED pick the Suns own, the 2016 Cavaliers first round pick the Suns own, and the Suns 2016 top-40 protected second round pick for Paul George.

Markieff
Len
Warren
Goodwin
3 first round picks
1 second round pick

So the Suns trade potentially 8 players for one guy coming off a serious injury. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is probably the worst trade scenario I have ever seen in my life. The Suns lose nearly every one of their young players while also trading an incredible asset in the Heat's unprotected pick. This trade idea is ridiculous.

This just goes to show you that anyone can write for brightside. What a worthless hunk of garbage article. I have seen better trades on the trade board, and that is not saying much.

[oddity]

Can't blame the guy for getting excited but yeah. Brightside really needs to stop putting ridiculous dream-like scenarios on their front page. It makes the entire fandom look worse. Just save those articles for the "fanposts" section

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Frankly, that just goes to show you how many valuable young assets we have on this roster.

I love Len, Warren and Booker as prospects. HOLD.

[sunsbum]

I'm surprised bright side posters were so nice about it. That has to be one of the **** trade proposals I've ever seen. I can't believe someone wasted grey matter chumming that one up. We see alot of poop here but to me that takes the poop cake. Crown em.

[AtheJ415]

I'm surprised bright side posters were so nice about it. That has to be one of the **** trade proposals I've ever seen. I can't believe someone wasted grey matter chumming that one up. We see alot of poop here but to me that takes the poop cake. Crown em.

I still think the Joe Johnson and KG proposals on here take the poop cake. At least Paul George isn't 35.