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Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?

Chriss
20
27%
Davis
5
7%
Korkmaz
2
3%
Labissiere
4
5%
Luwawu
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16%
Rabb
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16%
Sabonis
20
27%
 
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week - Oregon/AZ, Utah/Cal tonight 

Post#943 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:28 pm

So I check the Providence Box Score last night to check on Dunn's stats, and see the eye popping stats of Ben Bentil. 38 pts, on 67% shooting, 5-9 from 3, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks, a steal and assist. This guy is a 6'9 PF. His #s for the year are 21.7 ppg and 7.8 rpg

nbadraft.net has him going 45th and draftexpress has him ranked 84th.

I gotta wonder why pass this guy up with our second round pick? He seems like he has the ideal skills for what we need.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870150

Found a couple of articles about him...

In true Big East fashion, Madison Square Garden was rocking on Thursday afternoon. But through the voices of almost 15,000 people, Providence forward Ben Bentil's biggest fan was shouting to him from mere feet away.

Bentil enjoyed one of the finest games of his collegiate career in the Big East Tournament quarterfinals on Thursday, and his head coach could only stand in awe.

"I was a fan today," Providence coach Ed Cooley said following the Friars' 74-60 win over Butler. "To see the ball going in the net like that, and he scored it every imaginable way --€” drives, step-backs."

It's outbursts like this that make it easy to forget Bentil is sometimes overlooked. That's through no fault of his own -- it's just that he shares the court with two-time Big East Player of the Year Kris Dunn.

Dunn at guard and Bentil as a do-it-all forward have created a combo that make the Friars tough to beat when they're both locked in. Provided the duo stays consistent, the Friars will be a tough matchup, even against all-around better competition.

At least one of them has scored in double figures in every game this season and they have combined for 14 double-doubles (including a triple-double from Dunn back in December). They each play north of 33 minutes per game and are the Friars' top players in points per game and field goal percentage.

On Thursday, Dunn's greatest asset was his ability to share the ball, specifically to his fellow first-team All-Big East teammate. Of his seven assists, six of them went to Bentil.

"As a point guard you have to know when to score and when to get the ball to your guys," Dunn said.

Dunn seemed to have little trouble figuring that out.

"Kris came into the huddle and said, ‘where do we get him the ball next?'" Cooley said. "Give him the ball. He'll figure it out."

Bentil, though soft-spoken, found no problem heaping praise on his teammate in return.

"Playing with a great teammate like Kris, he will get you the ball in the right spot," Bentil said. "When you have a hot hand, he'll make sure the ball is in your hand."

In a single-elimination tournament, sometimes it's best to ride the hot hand, especially when the opponent just can't match up.

"We were trying to double our traps," Butler coach Chris Holtmann said in the aftermath of Bentil's outburst. "We weren't early enough on some of our traps. But he scored through our traps some too."

In fact, he scored pretty much any way he wanted to: through double teams, off the catch or off the dribble. It didn't matter.

Bentil's performance Thursday stacks up among the greatest in the Big East's storied history. His 38 points tied Jamine "Greedy" Peterson for a team tournament record. That mark was only four points behind Donyell Marshall for the most ever scored in a Big East Tournament game.

Bentil's 16 made field goals were also a tournament single-game best.

Providence, a team thought to be falling toward the NCAA Tournament bubble just a few weeks ago, has now won five straight games. During the Friars' recent winning streak, Bentil is averaging 29.4 points per game. He's shooting 50 percent from the floor in that span and 40 percent from three.


http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2016/3/11/11206252/ben-bentil-providence-kris-dunn-ncaa-tournament

And this second one is from late January

NBA Draft Stock Watch: Providence's Ben Bentil rising while Kentucky's Skal Labissière falling

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Ben Bentil, 6-9, 235 PF, Providence

When this lithe big man out of the African nation of Ghana via the Saint Andrews School in Middletown, Del., was seriously recruited his junior and senior years, he was considered a 3-star prospect – by no means a bona fide star in the making or even necessarily a starter. He was a bit raw and mechanical and his offers were a mix of high- and mid-majors.

Who knew he'd be rocketing up the NBA Draft lists as a mere sophomore? But that's what's happening. Scouts have come around to watch 2015 Big East player of the year Kris Dunn, a do-it-all combo guard, and have been blown out of their seats by Bentil, a kid who scored in double figures only seven times all last season as a freshman. He has almost overnight turned into a dangerous player, adept at scoring in all sorts of ways, a big man as adept at getting fouled and hitting free throws as he is scoring in the mid-range and rebounding.

There are certain metrics that make the NBA guys' eyes pop and alert them to someone with not only present skill but growth potential. One of them is the combination of rebounding and free throw percentage. Together, those two stats are indicators of hands both strong and dexterous, able to both clamp a board securely but also deliver a 15-foot shot with touch.

Find another guy in college basketball player who has hit 118 free throws already at an .814 clip but also is averaging 8 rebounds. I'll save you the work; it's a very short list. Add in his 20.0 scoring average and you have one of the most productive players in the college game.

Bentil runs the floor well, has a soft, fluid mid-range face-up jumper and is beginning to perfect a baby hook that's been lethal this season. You may have seen it during his 31-point, 13-board output in the overtime upset of Villanova on Sunday or his 25 points in hard-fought home loss to Xavier on Tuesday night. He was terrific in both games.


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Skal Labissière, 6-11, 225 PF, Kentucky

Skal Labissiere, Josh Henderson
Kentucky's Skal Labissiere (1) misses his only shot of the game, a 3-point attempt, as Vanderbilt's Josh Henderson (40) defends during the second half of Wildcats' 76-57 win on Saturday in Lexington, Ky. It's the only 3-point shot Labissiere has attempted this season.
AP/James Crisp

This kid is a tremendous human story, a Haitian immigrant whose home was demolished in the 2010 earthquake and came to the United States about as destitute a case as one could be.

But after a high school career in Memphis, the expectations of his skills seem outsized relative to reality. The hype began three years ago when people saw a very tall kid with fluid dribbling skills and a face-up jumper and automatically began the Kevin Durant comparisons. He was signed to Kentucky as a consensus 5-star.

Trouble is, Labissière's outside shot is not that dependable and he's not nearly quick enough to warrant playing on the perimeter at the major-college level. And his interior game has proven powder-soft. He has no place to play so far even in college, let alone in the lottery section of the NBA Draft where many mock selections still have him going this June. That is a notion for suckers but, hey, there are those in the NBA front offices.

Even John Calipari can't afford to play him much anymore. After starting throughout Kentucky's non-con season, Labissière has been riding the bench a lot in the SEC. He's gotten only single-digit run the in three of UK's last six games and didn't score in 4 minutes against Vanderbilt on Saturday at Rupp. He did break out a bit last night in a home rout of dysfunctional Missouri with 12 points and 5 blocks in 18 mostly mop-up time. That sort of performance has to become a trend and be replicated in more important minutes.

Best advice for this kid: Stay in school another year at least, get stronger and tougher. I have my doubts, frankly, if Labissière will ever be quick enough off the floor to play inside in The League, so the perimeter jumper will have to come together.


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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week - Oregon/AZ, Utah/Cal tonight 

Post#944 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:45 am

Denzel Valentine with 19pts, 9rbs, 8asst, 3 3s, 2 steals and a block. Not bad.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870817
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week - Oregon/AZ, Utah/Cal tonight 

Post#945 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:08 am

Jamal Murray is very consistant for a Freshman SG. I think McD has recruited every Kentucky guard in the last 4 years.

I hope we take the best player even if it's a SG.
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#946 » by blacksun » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:53 am

bwgood77 wrote:New ESPN mock draft simulation up. It doesn't just randomize order like tankathon, but says who the projected pick is. First time I tried, Phx got 4th but also Bender. And in Ford's last mock, he had Bender 3rd (and I think Ellenson 5th), but in this simulation, the Sixers got third and took Brown (which is odd, because in a later sim, Brown went 8th). And the Nuggets won with a 2.8% chance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2016/mockdraft

In a sim we got 5th, Bender dropped to 5th because Milwaukee got 3rd and took Dunn, while Philly got 4th and took Brown. I guess these sims really focus on team needs, especially since there isn't much separation between about 3 and 8.


Tankathon has that too under the mock draft tab. It'd be interesting how the projections differ between ESPN and them. Our results in tankathon with different draft positions are:
1st: Simmons
2nd: Ingram
3rd: Bender
4th-6th: A combination of Bender or Brown depending on who the higher teams pick.

13th: Denzel Valentine
28th: Justin Jackson

Personally I agree with you in drafting one of Davis or Chriss in the 13th slot if possible.
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#947 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:32 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we're picking 3, I still go with Buddy Hield out of the college players.


Well he certainly didn't show up tonight.

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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#948 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:19 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we're picking 3, I still go with Buddy Hield out of the college players.


Well he certainly didn't show up tonight.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870832


God I sure hope not. Hield will be this year's Kaminsky, that would be a massive reach for a more well rounded/high volume shooting Jodie Meeks who's an older senior turning 23 by the start of his rookie season
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week - Utah/Cal tonight 

Post#949 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:28 am

Is it just draft (and march madness) fever catching me or there are multiple very intresting players in this lottery?
I know that most of them will turn out to be busty or overhyped, and there is no KAT, Wiggins, Lebron, etc... in this class but nevertheless I think there will (might?) be a around 5-10 guys who will have very solid NBA careers as starters from the later (non-lottery) picks. The only question is who are these?
Denzel Valentin and Bentil also caught my eye last nite among a cpl of other guys :)
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#950 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:30 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we're picking 3, I still go with Buddy Hield out of the college players.


Well he certainly didn't show up tonight.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870832


God I sure hope not. Hield will be this year's Kaminsky, that would be a massive reach for a more well rouded/high volume shooting Jodie Meeks


Jaylen Brown not looking too stellar either.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870843
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#951 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:32 am

bwgood77 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
Well he certainly didn't show up tonight.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870832


God I sure hope not. Hield will be this year's Kaminsky, that would be a massive reach for a more well rouded/high volume shooting Jodie Meeks


Jaylen Brown not looking too stellar either.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400870843


Yeah its a total crapshoot, might as well draw a name from the hat
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week - Utah/Cal tonight 

Post#952 » by bwgood77 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:33 am

Bogyo wrote:Is it just draft (and march madness) fever catching me or there are multiple very intresting players in this lottery?
I know that most of them will turn out to be busty or overhyped, and there is no KAT, Wiggins, Lebron, etc... in this class but nevertheless I think there will (might?) be a around 5-10 guys who will have very solid NBA careers as starters from the later (non-lottery) picks. The only question is who are these?
Denzel Valentin and Bentil also caught my eye last nite among a cpl of other guys :)


Valentine seems clutch, but he is older, so all these other guys having no shows...I don't know if that is age or what, but Brown and Dunn were pretty terrible today in big games (Brown not done as I post this but 0-8 right now). Bentil is still young and fouled out today, but if he is in the draft, I would definitely take him with our 2nd round pick or maybe with Cleveland's pick.
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#953 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:33 am

blacksun wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:New ESPN mock draft simulation up. It doesn't just randomize order like tankathon, but says who the projected pick is. First time I tried, Phx got 4th but also Bender. And in Ford's last mock, he had Bender 3rd (and I think Ellenson 5th), but in this simulation, the Sixers got third and took Brown (which is odd, because in a later sim, Brown went 8th). And the Nuggets won with a 2.8% chance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2016/mockdraft

In a sim we got 5th, Bender dropped to 5th because Milwaukee got 3rd and took Dunn, while Philly got 4th and took Brown. I guess these sims really focus on team needs, especially since there isn't much separation between about 3 and 8.


Tankathon has that too under the mock draft tab. It'd be interesting how the projections differ between ESPN and them. Our results in tankathon with different draft positions are:
1st: Simmons
2nd: Ingram
3rd: Bender
4th-6th: A combination of Bender or Brown depending on who the higher teams pick.

13th: Denzel Valentine
28th: Justin Jackson

Personally I agree with you in drafting one of Davis or Chriss in the 13th slot if possible.


I had the same results for 1-3, but in the 4-6 region we always picked Elleson in the ESPN mock if Bender wasn't available.
With the Wash pick we always have Deytona Davis coming up no matter what I do.
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#954 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:39 am

Bogyo wrote:
blacksun wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:New ESPN mock draft simulation up. It doesn't just randomize order like tankathon, but says who the projected pick is. First time I tried, Phx got 4th but also Bender. And in Ford's last mock, he had Bender 3rd (and I think Ellenson 5th), but in this simulation, the Sixers got third and took Brown (which is odd, because in a later sim, Brown went 8th). And the Nuggets won with a 2.8% chance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2016/mockdraft

In a sim we got 5th, Bender dropped to 5th because Milwaukee got 3rd and took Dunn, while Philly got 4th and took Brown. I guess these sims really focus on team needs, especially since there isn't much separation between about 3 and 8.


Tankathon has that too under the mock draft tab. It'd be interesting how the projections differ between ESPN and them. Our results in tankathon with different draft positions are:
1st: Simmons
2nd: Ingram
3rd: Bender
4th-6th: A combination of Bender or Brown depending on who the higher teams pick.

13th: Denzel Valentine
28th: Justin Jackson

Personally I agree with you in drafting one of Davis or Chriss in the 13th slot if possible.


I had the same results for 1-3, but in the 4-6 region we always picked Elleson in the ESPN mock if Bender wasn't available.
With the Wash pick we always have Deytona Davis coming up no matter what I do.


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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#955 » by gaspar » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:44 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/708414048199516160[/tweet]
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Post#956 » by Bogyo » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:53 am

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/708414048199516160[/tweet]


Well I just hope then that our scouting staff and McD is all over him as we have a very high chace of getting him at the 3rd or 4th pick ,as Philly is likely picking ahead of us, and I can't really see them taking another PF so they are likely to go with Ingram in the top 2 or Dunn at 3 / 4.
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#957 » by DirtyDez » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:05 am

gaspar wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/708414048199516160[/tweet]


He is very young. Wouldn't he be a HS senior in the states?

Btw, I'm not touching Jaylen Brown in the top-5...
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Post#958 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:03 pm

Bender averages 2 points a game, not sure how anyone is getting a read on him.
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Post#959 » by No-Man » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:07 pm

Bentil is a scoring smallball C, think about a guy that is getting a ton of points exploiting other bigs because he is faster and too skilled, but the guy is 6'9, his shooting is still a work in progress and he cant defend the PF, I think he is a bench player at the next level and he is better suited if he stays at Providence and gets his 3pt shooting to elite level, if he declares he is a 2nd round prospect to me.
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Re: 2016 Draft and NCAA Conference Tourney Week 

Post#960 » by bhawk » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:09 pm

Warming up to Bender. There is a reason that he is the highest ranked 7 footer in this draft and you don't need me to validate that NBA teams really do consider him a top 5 talent this year. Many teams would be ecstatic to have the guy. After reviewing the nbadraft.net and draftexpress videos, I agree that the guy has great potential. 4 things that impressed me:

1) He is quick and a quick leaper with great size. He will DUNK when he gets a good look.
2) Passing. Good and willing passer from the 3pt Arc and down low in traffic.
3) Shooting. He can hit the face up J at a very young age.
4) Above average handles.

Bender + Booker = All Star potential and, dare I say, championship potential in let's say 5 years.

Negatives: Yes, he is skinny and young. The dude will get beat up by NBA big men on the block. His 1st / 2nd / 3rd year rebounding won't be great in the NBA. But as a point forward with quickness and shooting, his upside is amazing.

Another skinny Suns BUST comes to mind. Anyone remember Zarko? I couldn't find any Zarko scounting video but I wonder what made Zarko bust vs. the potential of Dragan Bender? Did Zarko have the quickness of Dragan? How about the Magic Lamp?

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Post#961 » by JJ13 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:18 pm

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Only 3.5 games up on Denver for 10th worst record in the league. If somehow that pick turns into the 10th pick (top 9 protected, right?), I won't say that would completely atone for trading the Lakers pick for Knight, but it will make up a ton of ground to put McD back in the +
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Post#962 » by saintEscaton » Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:35 pm

If our pick fall out of the Top 2 might as well deal it for an unprotected one in the stacked 2017 class. Delayed gratification, but it would be worth it and we will likely have a more NBA ready prospect in shorter time than waiting 2-3 years at the least for Bender to even arrive stateside
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