2013 Draft Thread Part 3

[Kerrsed]

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[DirtyDez]

I think people need to get over draft deals involving Scola. I just don't see it happening.

Swap Tucker for Scola? I don't feel comfortably giving up Dudley or #30...

#5 - Oladipo
#10 - Muhammad
#30 - Nogueira
2nd Rd - Jerrett

[rsavaj]

McLemore vs Oladipo: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... erspective

[RunSunRun]

Could be a lot of posturing, but it sounds like every team picking before us is being linked to draft trade rumors. It makes it tough to project who will fall to us if the Cavs, Magic, Wizards, and/or Bobcats end up making trades.

I don't think we can eliminate any scenario where we have one of the guys in the top 5 (Noel, McLemore, Otto, Bennett, and Oladipo) fall to us at #5, as crazy as it sounds.

[carey]

Could be a lot of posturing, but it sounds like every team picking before us is being linked to draft trade rumors. It makes it tough to project who will fall to us if the Cavs, Magic, Wizards, and/or Bobcats end up making trades.

I don't think we can eliminate any scenario where we have one of the guys in the top 5 (Noel, McLemore, Otto, Bennett, and Oladipo) fall to us at #5, as crazy as it sounds.

Uh, isn't that guaranteed to happen? lol.

[Kerrsed]

Things could start getting interesting....

Cavaliers Leaning Away From Nerlens Noel?

All one need do is take a look at a mock draft—any mock draft, but ours in particular—to see that most people believe UK center Nerlens Noel is going to be the top overall selection in this month’s NBA Draft. The reasons for this are manifold, but it mostly has to do with the fact that teams are always looking for franchise centers, and Noel looks like he’s got more potential, especially defensively, than anybody else in this otherwise flat draft.

But according to Sam Amico of Fox Sports Ohio, the Cleveland Cavaliers may be considering going in a different direction with their #1 overall draft selection. In a series of tweets posted on Friday afternoon, Amico stated, “Cavs front office seriously dissecting possibility of drafting Ben McLemore with No. 1 pick, source says.”

He then added, “Consensus for Cavs is McLemore has potential to be dynamic scorer. But yes, they wonder if it could work with Dion Waiters,” which brings up yet again the obvious debate over whether a team should draft the player they think will be the most prolific talent, or the player that actually plays a position at which they need a body.

We know, for example, that when the Portland Trail Blazers drafted Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan in 1984, they did so knowing full well that M.J. was the better player, but they already had Clyde Drexler on the roster at Jordan’s position. That made drafting the big body a much easier decision, even if it was the wrong one.

That’s not to say that McLemore is the same kind of can’t-miss college talent that Jordan was nearly thirty years ago, but if we look back on that now and think to ourselves, “You know, Portland probably could’ve found a way to play Drexler and Jordan together, or at least could’ve traded one of them away and gotten more value than Bowie would have ever generated,” then why can’t we say the same thing for Waiters and McLemore?

Especially if Noel is coming into the league with one major knee surgery under his belt. According to Chad Ford of ESPN.com, who interviewed Noel’s surgeon, the rehab on that bum knee is actually going great. The surgeon, Dr. James Andrews, said, “We’re really happy with his progress. He’s several weeks ahead of schedule on his rehab. He’s improving on a weekly basis. He has a completely stable knee. The bone plugs are completely healed into the bone. His muscle and weight is returning. He has had no setbacks at all.”

However, he also added, “Whoever gets him has to go slowly with him. It’s going to take him a while to get back to the level he was before he was injured.”

That means Cleveland is likely drafting a player they can’t even use for the first portion of the season. Granted, having Anderson Varejao on the roster makes it very possible to bring Noel along slowly, but McLemore would inject some instant offense into a lineup that really, really needs it. As good as Noel may be defensively, he’s very raw on the other end of the floor. McLemore, who many scouts believe has just as much potential star power as Noel, could help this team immediately and maybe even help them sneak back into the postseason for the first time since LeBron James “Decided” in 2010.

With that at stake, it’s no wonder they’re wavering on what to do with the top overall pick. Or, they’re set on Noel and are just throwing out a smokescreen to potentially make the top pick more enigmatic and therefore more valuable.

It’s impossible to know the truth, but the news isn’t surprising to anyone other than Dion Waiters, because McLemore is worth serious consideration as the top overall selection. Quite possibly more so than Nerlens Noel.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-saturday- ... -from-noel

Now i dont see anyway possible that Noel falls to us. Orlando might pass on him due to the emergence of Vucevic, Washington might pass because they have Nene/Okafor and have a greater need at the SF/PF spot, but i dont see anyway possible that the Bobcats pass. Their FO came out and said that their greatest needs are Size, Rebounding, and Scoring (In that order).

I also know that Orlando really like McLemore, and seem likely (at this point) to draft him, but if Cleveland takes him, do the Magic then go for Oladipo?

Cleveland - McLemore
Orlando - Oladipo
Washington - Porter
Charlotte - Noel
Phoenix - ??????

[MathiasPW]

God please no. That is really worst case scenario for me. We'd pick Bennet and have a completely unwatchable season where we'd have like 5 guys struggling for the same position til we can ship them all away next season.

[Qwigglez]

I can't see the Cavs missing out on Noel. Irving is already a dynamic scorer, and Waiters is coming along nicely too. They need a defensive presence in the middle. I'm not buying that story at all.


Anyway, if the draft goes Noel, McLemore, Porter, and Bennet I guess the best player available would be Oladipo, even though I'm not sold on him yet. I'd like for the Suns to grab another pick and try to get either Alex Len (preferred) or even Cody Zeller. I think Oladipo and Zeller would be pretty cool since they both played together already, but Len seems to have a ton of potential.

[alamin330]

Archie Goodwin and Caldwell-Pope will be good players.
If suns don't get mclemore or oladipo I think we should pick a big
Bennett or Len and try to trade up to get Goodwin or Caldwel-Pope before even McCollum

[RunSunRun]

Could be a lot of posturing, but it sounds like every team picking before us is being linked to draft trade rumors. It makes it tough to project who will fall to us if the Cavs, Magic, Wizards, and/or Bobcats end up making trades.

I don't think we can eliminate any scenario where we have one of the guys in the top 5 (Noel, McLemore, Otto, Bennett, and Oladipo) fall to us at #5, as crazy as it sounds.

Uh, isn't that guaranteed to happen? lol.

Maybe I should clarify, we can't eliminate any scenario at this time regarding the order of the top 5 since it seems the rumor mills indicate the teams at those 1-4 positions are shopping their picks.

I'm still hoping for McLemore of course, but this could be a crazy draft and a guy we don't expect to be there at #5 might be depending on which teams trade up.

[JMac1]

I can't see the Cavs missing out on Noel. Irving is already a dynamic scorer, and Waiters is coming along nicely too. They need a defensive presence in the middle. I'm not buying that story at all.


Anyway, if the draft goes Noel, McLemore, Porter, and Bennet I guess the best player available would be Oladipo, even though I'm not sold on him yet. I'd like for the Suns to grab another pick and try to get either Alex Len (preferred) or even Cody Zeller. I think Oladipo and Zeller would be pretty cool since they both played together already, but Len seems to have a ton of potential.

Same here...They know people are looking to trade up for Dipo or Mac, so hey are throwing that out there to see what teams will offer up.

If those guys are gone, you are right....we pick Len or Bennet, and then comeback with Shabazz, McCollum, MCW, Schroeder....or whoever may be the BPA at 10-12.... Or if you secure 10-12 before picking 5.. You go Burke and Zeller or McCollum and Adams or whomever..

Point is...we all love Oladipo, but he ain't no Wiggins or Parker; so if teams are willing to trade up to get him or McLemore....just sit tight and let them do it.

Frank Lee will tell you.....JMac1 will be happy with whomever we draft, as long as we get another lotto pick

[DRK]

Things could start getting interesting....


Now i dont see anyway possible that Noel falls to us. Orlando might pass on him due to the emergence of Vucevic, Washington might pass because they have Nene/Okafor and have a greater need at the SF/PF spot, but i dont see anyway possible that the Bobcats pass. Their FO came out and said that their greatest needs are Size, Rebounding, and Scoring (In that order).

I also know that Orlando really like McLemore, and seem likely (at this point) to draft him, but if Cleveland takes him, do the Magic then go for Oladipo?

Cleveland - McLemore
Orlando - Oladipo
Washington - Porter
Charlotte - Noel
Phoenix - ??????

Trade down from #5 and nab Shabazz, while also adding another lotto/future first/young prospect.

Or take Len.

[LV-Suns]

if we end up getting up another lotto pick, I hope we use it on Steven Adams. An Oladipo/Adams draft would definitely make me happy.

[Kerrsed]

Could be a lot of posturing, but it sounds like every team picking before us is being linked to draft trade rumors. It makes it tough to project who will fall to us if the Cavs, Magic, Wizards, and/or Bobcats end up making trades.

I don't think we can eliminate any scenario where we have one of the guys in the top 5 (Noel, McLemore, Otto, Bennett, and Oladipo) fall to us at #5, as crazy as it sounds.

Uh, isn't that guaranteed to happen? lol.

Maybe I should clarify, we can't eliminate any scenario at this time regarding the order of the top 5 since it seems the rumor mills indicate the teams at those 1-4 positions are shopping their picks.

I'm still hoping for McLemore of course, but this could be a crazy draft and a guy we don't expect to be there at #5 might be depending on which teams trade up.

Yup.

The Magic are reportedly "considering moving down" in the 2013 draft, and numerous teams are interested in dealing for the No. 2 pick.

There will always be interest in a top draft pick, of course, but it remains to be seen what Orlando wants in return. The Cavaliers are also reportedly willing to deal the No. 1 pick for the right price, as the 2013 draft class is generally thought to be deficient in elite talent.

The Wizards have reportedly "explored" the possibility of trading their No. 3 pick to the Bucks for Ersan Ilyasova.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nba/basketball

[DirtyDez]

if we end up getting up another lotto pick, I hope we use it on Steven Adams. An Oladipo/Adams draft would definitely make me happy.

I'd be perfectly fine developing him slowly since we aren't winning next year. No harm in being patient... I'd hope we could get a decent big-man coach for one of our potential project centers.

[JMac1]

It's a weak draft but everyone wants to trade up?!

[carey]

Wait. We can't get 10 for Marcin, but they're gonna give up 3 for Ily?

[Kerrsed]

Wait. We can't get 10 for Marcin, but they're gonna give up 3 for Ily?

Read my last post in the trade thread.

Also, from what i read, there would be more players involved in that WAS/MIL trade.

[Revived]

You guys should read this. Its an interesting read and this kid Parnhos could indeed become a very big diamond in the rough. His size itself is just jaw dropping.

Barbosa Brazilian draft intrigue
June, 7, 2013
Abbott By Henry Abbott
ESPN.com


The story of how Leandro Barbosa got from Brazilian poverty to NBA riches is chronicled in one of my favorite things that has ever been on TrueHoop, Gregory Dole's 11-part "Rolling with Leandro" series. Now that Barbosa is a millionaire, he's going to no small amount of trouble, with the help of his brother Artur, to smooth the path for future Brazilian prodigies, investing in facilities and training that could make the difference for future NBA players.

The Barbosas are particularly excited about one prospect in particular, named Alexandre Parnhos, who is eligible for the 2013 NBA draft, but barely on anybody's radar. Artur just sent me this e-mail, which I'm pasting here verbatim, with Artur's permission:

Hy Henry

It s nice to talk with you again, is Artur Barbosa, the older brother of Leandro Barbosa.

I am writing to tell you about a Brazilian player that my brother and I discovered in Brazil. The boy' s name is Alexandre Paranhos.

He is from the same neighborhood in Sao Paulo as my brother and we saw him six years ago and were shocked because he had a physique like Lebron James.We immediately started trainning him to play basketball and registered him with Palmeiras basketball club.

He has come a long way.Leandro would train him whenever he could during the NBA off - season.

Everything Leandro would learn from NBA coaches he would pass onto Alexandre.

Alexandre has really developed over the past 12-14 months. He was the star of the Liga Desenvolvimento Olimpico (LDO), which is the second most important league in Brazil. I put a copy of the national champioship game on youtube.

Yesterday he worked out in Houston for the Rockets.To see that I am not exaggerating about him having Lebron' s physique, his measurements from today yesterday were:

Height: 6'8"
Weight: 241 lbs
Wingspan: 7'3"
Bodyfat: 9%

After the workout I met people from the Rockets and I think they were very impressed with Alexandre.

I was not in the workout but I known there are not many players with Alexandre's body and athleticism in the world.And after so many years training ballhandling with Leandro, I also known there are not many guys at any position with Alexandre 's ballhandling because he learned from the best.

Alexandre was the best three-point shooter in the LDO as well. He had a game last year where he made six threes. I can send you this game tape. This is very impressive for a guy who also plays power forward.

I would love to tell you more about Alexandre.Hopefully we can find a time to talk.

Thank you for your time and attention!

Best wishes


This is where the draft gets very interesting. Mostly it's a known list of players. But at the edges, there are surprises. Some of them (remember Ian Mahinmi on draft night?) turn into real-deal NBA players. Some of them come and go without making a mark.

That's why the job of NBA GM is tough. The task is to get as many players as possible who are likely to help your team. Where does Alexandre Parnhos fall? Who knows?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_ ... t-intrigue

[Kerrsed]

My favorite Brazilian in the draft:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexsuZl_zkg[/youtube]