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spanishninja wrote:check out this awards prediction story
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2014 ... ons-102014
almost unanimously looking at IT2 as 6th man of the year. nice.
almost no love for anybody else though. not nice.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
spanishninja wrote:check out this awards prediction story
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/2014 ... ons-102014
almost unanimously looking at IT2 as 6th man of the year. nice.
almost no love for anybody else though. not nice.
Flying Colors wrote:The phoenix suns voted against lottery reform, most likly to decrease the chances of lakers keeping thier pick
phrazbit wrote:SF88 wrote:The CBA absolutely sucks. Rookies are ridiculously underpaid.
I'm not saying Len deserves more based on his play but a 5th overall pick should be making more than $4M/season imo.
No they aren't. Len basically got an NBA MLE deal after being a mediocre center in the ACC. Right now Sacramento is paying Derrick Williams 6.3 million to be their backup backup backup forward, I could go on and on. More guys flop on their face than succeed. The successes are briefly underpaid but are rewarded with fat deals, the failures get more money than 99% of people get in their lifetimes to be a crappy NBA player for a few years, jet setting around the country and getting laid.
NavLDO wrote:Another system I think they should employ is a maximum rookie wage. depending upon how many years of college they play. If the player decides to opt out after their Freshman year, then, for example they can't earn more than $.5M; after Sophomore year-$1M; after Junior year-$2M; after Senior year-$4M. And those rates apply for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years, so the max a player can earn in their 1st contract would be $7.5M. If you come out after your Sophomore year, you can earn $1M, but your 2nd year, you can earn $2.25, 3rd year-$3.75M, 4th year-$5.5M for a max total of $12.5M. And so on, so not only is your 1st year limited, but your entire contract is limited. That might make some of these guys think about getting out as soon as they are.
Anyway, a couple of ways to restructure the rookie pay scale AND discourage 19 year old kids from entering the league before they are ready.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
lilfishi22 wrote:NavLDO wrote:Another system I think they should employ is a maximum rookie wage. depending upon how many years of college they play. If the player decides to opt out after their Freshman year, then, for example they can't earn more than $.5M; after Sophomore year-$1M; after Junior year-$2M; after Senior year-$4M. And those rates apply for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years, so the max a player can earn in their 1st contract would be $7.5M. If you come out after your Sophomore year, you can earn $1M, but your 2nd year, you can earn $2.25, 3rd year-$3.75M, 4th year-$5.5M for a max total of $12.5M. And so on, so not only is your 1st year limited, but your entire contract is limited. That might make some of these guys think about getting out as soon as they are.
Anyway, a couple of ways to restructure the rookie pay scale AND discourage 19 year old kids from entering the league before they are ready.
I love this idea. Incentivize players for staying in college which allows them to better develop their skills in a more engaged environment while giving scouts a better look at the prospects.
Care to elaborate on the restrictions? I'm not from the US so I'm not as knowledgeable in this aspect.Zelaznyrules wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:NavLDO wrote:Another system I think they should employ is a maximum rookie wage. depending upon how many years of college they play. If the player decides to opt out after their Freshman year, then, for example they can't earn more than $.5M; after Sophomore year-$1M; after Junior year-$2M; after Senior year-$4M. And those rates apply for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th years, so the max a player can earn in their 1st contract would be $7.5M. If you come out after your Sophomore year, you can earn $1M, but your 2nd year, you can earn $2.25, 3rd year-$3.75M, 4th year-$5.5M for a max total of $12.5M. And so on, so not only is your 1st year limited, but your entire contract is limited. That might make some of these guys think about getting out as soon as they are.
Anyway, a couple of ways to restructure the rookie pay scale AND discourage 19 year old kids from entering the league before they are ready.
I love this idea. Incentivize players for staying in college which allows them to better develop their skills in a more engaged environment while giving scouts a better look at the prospects.
With all the restrictions placed on college programs, I'm not sure there is a worse place to learn the game today. I like the idea of keeping these kids away from the grind of a physical 82 game season until their bodies fill out a little more but there has to be a better way than forcing them into the college environment. They need to make the D League a better place for young players so that the ones that aren't interested in academic pursuits can still develop their game for the pros.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
lilfishi22 wrote:Zelaznyrules wrote:With all the restrictions placed on college programs, I'm not sure there is a worse place to learn the game today. I like the idea of keeping these kids away from the grind of a physical 82 game season until their bodies fill out a little more but there has to be a better way than forcing them into the college environment. They need to make the D League a better place for young players so that the ones that aren't interested in academic pursuits can still develop their game for the pros.
Care to elaborate on the restrictions? I'm not from the US so I'm not as knowledgeable in this aspect.
My issue is not so much the grind but the fact that most rookies ride the pine and get little to know playing time which really stagnates their development. I like the college idea because they have more game time and more often than not, actually play in games that matter as opposed to the NBA where they are usually playing garbage time.
Zelaznyrules wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Zelaznyrules wrote:With all the restrictions placed on college programs, I'm not sure there is a worse place to learn the game today. I like the idea of keeping these kids away from the grind of a physical 82 game season until their bodies fill out a little more but there has to be a better way than forcing them into the college environment. They need to make the D League a better place for young players so that the ones that aren't interested in academic pursuits can still develop their game for the pros.
Care to elaborate on the restrictions? I'm not from the US so I'm not as knowledgeable in this aspect.
My issue is not so much the grind but the fact that most rookies ride the pine and get little to know playing time which really stagnates their development. I like the college idea because they have more game time and more often than not, actually play in games that matter as opposed to the NBA where they are usually playing garbage time.
I don't remember the specifics anymore but about a decade ago they drastically reduced the amount of time that the Coaches can work with the players during the season and cut out the offseason contact completely (IIRC). I know they loosened it a year or two ago allowing limited Coach contact during the offseason but I think even now it's no more than 2 hours a day and no more than 8 per week. Maybe somebody here can fill in the holes for me on this.
I think the NBA needs to really develop it's own product. The money is there and the fan interest is there. Right now is the perfect time to basically steal college basketball from the NCAA. Put more money into the D League and entice the upper tier High School Players to go directly to the mini-pros.
NavLDO wrote:Zelaznyrules wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:
Care to elaborate on the restrictions? I'm not from the US so I'm not as knowledgeable in this aspect.
My issue is not so much the grind but the fact that most rookies ride the pine and get little to know playing time which really stagnates their development. I like the college idea because they have more game time and more often than not, actually play in games that matter as opposed to the NBA where they are usually playing garbage time.
I don't remember the specifics anymore but about a decade ago they drastically reduced the amount of time that the Coaches can work with the players during the season and cut out the offseason contact completely (IIRC). I know they loosened it a year or two ago allowing limited Coach contact during the offseason but I think even now it's no more than 2 hours a day and no more than 8 per week. Maybe somebody here can fill in the holes for me on this.
I think the NBA needs to really develop it's own product. The money is there and the fan interest is there. Right now is the perfect time to basically steal college basketball from the NCAA. Put more money into the D League and entice the upper tier High School Players to go directly to the mini-pros.
And that type of system would work as well--I mean, truly make it a development league, and you have a choice, stay in college, or come out and make some money, and play in the development league, but still have a restriction on how soon after high school they are allowed to join the NBA.
The point is, is get these kids some time to develop their bodies and skill before going up against the NBAers.
But at the same time, I would still advocate education. It's like the Military, in a sense. Come in right after high school, come in as an E-1, spend a year in college first, come in as an E-3, spend 3-4 years getting your bachelors, you come in as an O-1. So that's why I thought of the other plan...it enforces education as well...the more education you have, the more money you make.
Flying Colors wrote:The phoenix suns voted against lottery reform, most likly to decrease the chances of lakers keeping thier pick
dgwdum wrote:Flying Colors wrote:The phoenix suns voted against lottery reform, most likly to decrease the chances of lakers keeping thier pick
I don't think that will make a difference, the lakers have needed big minutes from their starters to beat Utah and Portland 3rd string teams. They will unfortunately probably pick top 3 since lin and 1/2 a Kobe won't carry them to more than 25 wins.
bigfoot wrote:How to fix it. Expand the D-league so that every NBA team has a full affiliate team. Adjust the pay scale based on the league their playing in. Higher draft pick players can get bigger signing bonuses but are on basically the same pay scale as other DNBA players until they make it to the big league.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
