Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[Kerrsed]

Dude. Just because he's rich doesn't mean he isn't a human being.

I know, but its just kinda crazy. The entire time he has been on twitter he has only liked 20 posts, with that last one mentioning him playing for Orlando (Kinda throwing shade at the Suns if you ask me). But the guy that tweeted it then proceeded to illustrate why he doesnt want Knight anywhere near his Orlando Magic team. What are the odds of that?

[sunsbum]

Ight boys! ease up, this kid has been cool as a cucumber. If his outlet is emojing some kind of savior tweet..So be it.

[King4Day]

I do not for the life of me understand the desperation shown by some here to trade a bunch for a superstar. Essentially, begging for us to become the Houston Rockets--with a token superstar and no prayer of contending unless a few others join, but we'd be in the playoffs every year.

The goal isn't to simply make the playoffs. The best chance of contending is to play to our strengths (drafting), and not rush things. Trading our entire core, or even just a lot of it, for anyone is asinine.

I think it's because many felt we were close to getting cousins that the hopeful feeling is still there

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[sunskerr]

Favors would be a sick get especially if we can move Chandler.

[Fo-Real]

Purely from a watching basketball standpoint...FOR THE LOVE OF ALL SACRED, PLEASE GET RID OF KNIGHT. I understand that if you can gain assets from Ty Chandler, Tucker, Barbs, Duds, you do it for the greater good obviously, but at least I enjoy watching all of those guys play basketball. I no longer want to see Brandon (crossover, jab step dribble the ball nowhere in a circle fake no one) Knight play wearing a Suns uniform ever again.

[alphagorilla]

Knight, Len, suns18 top5, Mia18 for Drummond
Chandler, PJ, Warren, Ulis for Otto Porter, Mahinmi

Bledsoe, draft17
Booker, Barbosa
Porter, Dudley
Chriss, Bender
Drummond, Mahinmi

I'd be very excited going into next season with this lineup

[King4Day]

One more day until christmas!

[BobbieL]

I agree with the above poster - if the best you can do for Knight is an expiring contract and jeff Greene type deal, do it.

Tucker - I don't need a 1st for the guy but get something. I think the Suns will get a first rounder, too many teams involved. And a couple second rounders have value. You can always sign a guy and stash them/ Better than nothing

chandler - do not understand keeping him unless you totally don't see Len as the long term fit. If Ainge gets Butler, why wouldn't he double down and try to get Chandler and Tucker for Amir/Jerebko with the Clippers pick. Unless they need Amir Johnsons contract for Butler.

Portland - again, take on that Ezeli contract for Cavs 1st or even a high 2nd

Keep getting those assets

[Fo-Real]

One more day until christmas!

WE HOPE?!?!

[jredsaz]

I do not for the life of me understand the desperation shown by some here to trade a bunch for a superstar. Essentially, begging for us to become the Houston Rockets--with a token superstar and no prayer of contending unless a few others join, but we'd be in the playoffs every year.

The goal isn't to simply make the playoffs. The best chance of contending is to play to our strengths (drafting), and not rush things. Trading our entire core, or even just a lot of it, for anyone is asinine.

No offense but odds are drafting and waiting will produce the same results. It will simply take longer to get there. I HOPE the Suns find the next Steph Curry in Lonzo ball, or Josh Jackson, or Markel Fultz but odds run strong against that.

Even with drafting well and building methodically we will be most likely top out somewhere around where the Rockets are right now. Adding stars gets you closer faster and I think it's proven effective.

There are legitimate arguments for sticking to a longterm plan but to act like it will definitely lead us to a better position than a player of Hardens caliber and the 3 seed in the West is actually asinine.

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In this scenario you are saying it will take longer to fail. That is the point. The window is open for longer. And no, it's not. Not if the goal is a title. If your goal is the 3 seed in the West then you would have a point, but since it's not you really don't.

And no, I'm advocating for contending against future teams, not current superteams that are forming due to a huge cap increase and a fluke deal in which the MVP is signed to almost no money. Trading for a player of Harden's caliber does nothing. Only trading for 4 of them would be a legit threat. It is drastically, and I mean drastically, smarter to actually build around guys who will be good when the Warriors are old--not to try to piece together a team that would somehow be better then them with players their ages. That team does not exist.

Again, you are assuming that our young core players will end up being better than the Wolves, Bucks, Nuggets, Celtics, Pelicans, etc. My goal is a championship as well and drafting extremely well doesn't guarantee you anything, ask the Thunder.

Second, the Warriors aren't a guarantee. They will have to spend huge and go into the luxury tax this summer. It's it extremely hard to keep a championship caliber team happy over the long term. Klay has two years after this. Draymond has three and a temper.

In the end building a core of assets through the the draft is important and we have done that. But acting like sitting on those assets is the only way to succeed and that by doing it we will be in line for a ring is silly.

There are many ways to skin a cat.

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[jredsaz]

I do not for the life of me understand the desperation shown by some here to trade a bunch for a superstar. Essentially, begging for us to become the Houston Rockets--with a token superstar and no prayer of contending unless a few others join, but we'd be in the playoffs every year.

The goal isn't to simply make the playoffs. The best chance of contending is to play to our strengths (drafting), and not rush things. Trading our entire core, or even just a lot of it, for anyone is asinine.

No offense but odds are drafting and waiting will produce the same results. It will simply take longer to get there. I HOPE the Suns find the next Steph Curry in Lonzo ball, or Josh Jackson, or Markel Fultz but odds run strong against that.

Even with drafting well and building methodically we will be most likely top out somewhere around where the Rockets are right now. Adding stars gets you closer faster and I think it's proven effective.

There are legitimate arguments for sticking to a longterm plan but to act like it will definitely lead us to a better position than a player of Hardens caliber and the 3 seed in the West is actually asinine.

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I don't think the argument is to ONLY build through the draft. It needs to start there, but then you build through free agency rather than trades so you don't give up talent.

Look at the top teams:
GSW - Curry/Klay/Draymond from the draft, Durant from free agency
Spurs - Kawhi/Parker drafted, LA/Pau free agency
Cavs - Irving/Thompson drafted, Lebron both drafted and free agency. Only Love was traded.
LAC - Griffin/Jordan drafted, Paul traded

In the only cases where there was a trade (Love, Paul), they already had the necessary pieces from the draft/free agency or they just swindled the other team (BOS with the IT trade, HOU with the Harden trade. hindsight is 20/20, but doesn't change how lopsided those deals ended up being).

The only examples I can think of where a team sent a lot of assets to pick up star/superstar players are the Knicks for Melo and the Nets for the KG/Pierce. That obviously didn't work out well.

First, we have been drafting in the lottery for six years? Lots of building through the the draft already.

Second, if you look at any championship team you need a top five player and a couple top 25 players. I don't care how you get them, draft, free agency, trade, you got to get them.

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[WeekapaugGroove]

Im fine consolidating some assets for an established player but if you do that you better be damn sure that player is going to be with you multiple years. McD has done this twice already with bledsoe and knight to very mixed results. Its why i understand some people being leery of Cousins and to some extent George because those guys can walk in a year and a half. You don't want to have a situation like orlando just had where you give up good assets then are forced to deal that guy for half of what you traded to get them because youre afraid you would lose them for nothing.

To me the best route is to get good organically then use a trade for a good player to put you over the top.

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[jcsunsfan]

First, we have been drafting in the lottery for six years? Lots of building through the the draft already.

Second, if you look at any championship team you need a top five player and a couple top 25 players. I don't care how you get them, draft, free agency, trade, you got to get them.

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Dude. Patience. GSW. OKC Thunder. Teams can be built through the draft. Yes, make the big trade if it is there. But don't stretch for a short term solution.

We do not have players colluding with one another to come to the Suns like Miami did. That happened once.

No Kevin Garnett has been on the market recently like when Boston got him (no Boogie is not even close).

Impatience will keep us on the treadmill forever constantly cycling through failed rebuilds.

[sunsbum]

Ight boys! ease up, this kid has been cool as a cucumber. If his outlet is emojing some kind of savior tweet..So be it.

I think I was really drunk last night, cannot figure out what this means.

[BobbieL]

Dave King posted this for possible Favors deals. I like the first one if you don't think Len is the answer. Favors is pretty cheaply signed. He will cost more in a year - but Chandler might be coming off books at that time . History with Watson and Okur. If you could get Favors for Tucker, Len and maybe some draft pick protection down the road - seems like a solid move and you still get your top 3 pick

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/2/22/14696546/what-could-favors-cost-the-suns-to-acquire-the-good-folks-at-slcdunk-com-tell-us

[Fo-Real]

Favors has underperformed his entire career from where he was projected to be. It is the reason he wasn't kept on NJ, it's the reason he can be let go from Utah. Add to that that he has had injury problems most of the time AT A YOUNG AGE ALREADY..... not gonna mortgage my future on this guy. He was supposed to be a franchise player, future Allstar, and now he will be on a third team at TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD. Would rather add assets and go after drummond, sometimes you have to spend more money for quality, cheap isn't always the way to look, spend once and be right. I can spend extra and buy a Honda and be sure it runs and the a/c is cold for years.... or I can buy a Daewoo!!!!! and take my chances!!!

[JJ13]

I'd rather go for Drummond as well. Him and Chriss down low is nasty.

[Qwigglez]

Yeah I think I'm going to have to pass on Favors now. Unless again, we only give up someone like Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Drummond just doesn't strike me as a motivated and high IQ basketball player so I'd pass on him unless we can get him for a Cousins like package.

I would trade the Miami picks and/or a future pick + Warren for Butler. Mostly because his contract is for another 3 years, and I can see Warren getting 75-80% of what Butler got.

[Fo-Real]

Yeah I think I'm going to have to pass on Favors now. Unless again, we only give up someone like Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Drummond just doesn't strike me as a motivated and high IQ basketball player so I'd pass on him unless we can get him for a Cousins like package.

I would trade the Miami picks and/or a future pick + Warren for Butler. Mostly because his contract is for another 3 years, and I can see Warren getting 75-80% of what Butler got.

Agreed

[BobbieL]

Yeah I think I'm going to have to pass on Favors now. Unless again, we only give up someone like Tucker and a 2nd round pick.

Drummond just doesn't strike me as a motivated and high IQ basketball player so I'd pass on him unless we can get him for a Cousins like package.

I would trade the Miami picks and/or a future pick + Warren for Butler. Mostly because his contract is for another 3 years, and I can see Warren getting 75-80% of what Butler got.

Butler is still the top choice for a lot of reasons - just not sure Ryan or the guy in Chicago will pull the trigger on a deal

But if Ainge keeps waffling - Ryan needs to be ready to make a deal. Butler, Bledsoe, Booker would be damn good trio. Add in Bender or Chriss.