2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

Sunzgunz · Post #1921 » by **Sunzgunz** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:01 pm

As much as like KP, I don't want him unless it's a price is too good to refuse.

We're in asset accumulation mode....i don't even think we truly know what we have at this point...so unless it's a no brainer, or close to, let's just stay the course and revisit these discussions once we have more answers.

Btw, 3 more hours

Damkac · Post #1922 » by **Damkac** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:04 pm

I'm tired of all this Porzingis talks. Just draft future star, trade Bled and stay with our young core.

sunsbum · Post #1923 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:04 pm

SkinnyOMiller wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:

Warren has very little actual value. If the Suns put him on the trade block they'd be lucky to get a late 1st rounder back for him. He's a decent player, probably a pretty nice bench player on a contender, a guy who can come in and score some buckets for you but nothing more. Not a great defender, lacks an outside shot, he's very limited in today's NBA game.

The Kings could get similar players from other teams for far less compensation.

If we were talking about the Suns and they had the #5 and #10 picks in the draft and some other team's fan proposed trading those picks for the #4 pick and a marginal role player, you know you'd ridicule them for it.

What the he'll are you talking about. *

Exactly what I said. Warren doesn't have much overall value, less than both Morris twins had who in spite of being complete knuckleheads, fit into the modern NBA game very well.

Warren is not a good defender and has limited shooting range, he is a solid role player. He holds more value to Phoenix than anyone else and there's no way any team is giving up a Top 10 pick for him. You can throw out all the ad hominem's you like, still won't change that. If he was this super valuable prospect, the Suns wouldn't be looking at replacing him with guys like Jackson and Tatum.

He's a decent player on a bad team but I don't really see him having much of a role on this team when/if they actually become competitive that doesn't involve him coming off the bench.

You said late round pick, now you're saying top ten. KO

Damkac · Post #1924 » by **Damkac** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:05 pm

It's incredible how underrated Warren is here.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1925 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:05 pm

ATTL wrote:If the suns grade the 4th pick for aldrisge or love I am denouncing my Suns fandom.

Me too. It would be the last straw.

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #1926 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:07 pm

JMac1 wrote:And he is Ball's kryptonite....

Thats the funnest side aspect of picking fox. If he would just destroy ball for the next decade that would be delightful.

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TeamTragic · Post #1927 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:07 pm

Jackson/Fox. Done

matt131 · Post #1928 » by **matt131** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:07 pm

Damkac wrote:It's incredible how underrated Warren is here.

I totally agree with you. I think he shouldn't be involved in any trades. I know he struggles with his 3 pointer, but his offense is very very good and he's just a solid guy. I honestly think of Tatum as a slightly more agile, better three point shooting warren.

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JMac1 · Post #1929 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:08 pm

ATTL wrote:If the suns grade the 4th pick for aldrisge or love I am denouncing my Suns fandom.

If it were only possible...... you are stuck for life my friend. Just doesn't work like that.

SkinnyOMiller · Post #1930 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:08 pm

sunsbum wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:
sunsbum wrote:

What the he'll are you talking about. *

Exactly what I said. Warren doesn't have much overall value, less than both Morris twins had who in spite of being complete knuckleheads, fit into the modern NBA game very well.

Warren is not a good defender and has limited shooting range, he is a solid role player. He holds more value to Phoenix than anyone else and there's no way any team is giving up a Top 10 pick for him. You can throw out all the ad hominem's you like, still won't change that. If he was this super valuable prospect, the Suns wouldn't be looking at replacing him with guys like Jackson and Tatum.

He's a decent player on a bad team but I don't really see him having much of a role on this team when/if they actually become competitive that doesn't involve him coming off the bench.

You said late round pick, now you're saying top ten. KO

?? I said that trading the Suns #4 and Warren doesn't make any sense for Sacramento. If the Suns put Warren up on the trade block by himself they'd be lucky to get a late 1st rounder back for him. Many teams would rather take their chances with unproven rookies than a guy who looks to be a decent scorer but otherwise is pretty one dimensional and limited in shooting range on top of that.

I have no problem with Warren, I think he can be a solid rotational player for this team but I'm not going to go full homer and pretend like he's some incredible talent that teams can't stop drooling all over. If you're a good team, he is coming off the bench for you. If you're a poor team, he starts for you but you're always looking for someone better to replace him with.

Sun Scorched · Post #1931 » by **Sun Scorched** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:09 pm

ATTL wrote:If the suns grade the 4th pick for aldrisge or love I am denouncing my Suns fandom.

AGREED. 27 years, and it could be over tonight......

Zelaznyrules · Post #1932 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:09 pm

SkinnyOMiller wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:

Warren has very little actual value. If the Suns put him on the trade block they'd be lucky to get a late 1st rounder back for him. He's a decent player, probably a pretty nice bench player on a contender, a guy who can come in and score some buckets for you but nothing more. Not a great defender, lacks an outside shot, he's very limited in today's NBA game.

The Kings could get similar players from other teams for far less compensation.

If we were talking about the Suns and they had the #5 and #10 picks in the draft and some other team's fan proposed trading those picks for the #4 pick and a marginal role player, you know you'd ridicule them for it.

What the he'll are you talking about. *

Exactly what I said. Warren doesn't have much overall value, less than both Morris twins had who in spite of being complete knuckleheads, fit into the modern NBA game very well.

Warren is not a good defender and has limited shooting range, he is a solid role player. He holds more value to Phoenix than anyone else and there's no way any team is giving up a Top 10 pick for him. You can throw out all the ad hominem's you like, still won't change that. If he was this super valuable prospect, the Suns wouldn't be looking at replacing him with guys like Jackson and Tatum.

He's a decent player on a bad team but I don't really see him having much of a role on this team when/if they actually become competitive that doesn't involve him coming off the bench.

Well, we all have our own opinions but I think you're way off on Warren as a player if not as a trade chip. He may not be a star in the making but he certainly isn't what I think of when I think of "marginal role player" as you described him. I think he's a plus starter, even on a good team. Admittedly, I am a homer but I don't think it requires an ounce of homerism to rate him that way. Healthy, he was arguably our best player last season. I don't think he has the ceiling of a Booker or Chriss but I think he's already playing better than your typical 10 pick (even if he doesn't have trade value equal to that on draft day) and he's still improving.

sunsbum · Post #1933 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:10 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
JMac1 wrote:And he is Ball's kryptonite....

Thats the funnest side aspect of picking fox. If he would just destroy ball for the next decade that would be delightful.

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ball had a foot injury to be fair

Post #1934 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 pm

Villalobos wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:Listening to that radio show, I missed part of it but it almost sounded like they think we'd take Fox if Jackson isn't there.

I wish there were a projectile vomiting smiley

Which radio show was that DarkHawk?

JMac1 · Post #1935 » by **JMac1** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 pm

GoranTragic wrote:Jackson/Fox and call it a draft night

If that happens I'm buying a round for everyone at Marjele's

TeamTragic · Post #1936 » by **TeamTragic** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 pm

Love/Aldridge. What a joke. Good luck Cavs/Spurs

Wayne Kerr · Post #1937 » by **Wayne Kerr** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:11 pm

Damkac wrote:It's incredible how underrated Warren is here.

im 'new' here, but after watching tons of video on the kid. hes my favorite Sun. 20 pt player if healthy. I think we should stand pat with our 4 th pick and just keep building. we are so young just need a little more time.... let these guys play. forget trying to win now. not with GS.

Im good with jackson/tatum/fox/isaac cant go wrong. lets just keep trucking.

sunsbum · Post #1938 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:12 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:
sunsbum wrote:

What the he'll are you talking about. *

Exactly what I said. Warren doesn't have much overall value, less than both Morris twins had who in spite of being complete knuckleheads, fit into the modern NBA game very well.

Warren is not a good defender and has limited shooting range, he is a solid role player. He holds more value to Phoenix than anyone else and there's no way any team is giving up a Top 10 pick for him. You can throw out all the ad hominem's you like, still won't change that. If he was this super valuable prospect, the Suns wouldn't be looking at replacing him with guys like Jackson and Tatum.

He's a decent player on a bad team but I don't really see him having much of a role on this team when/if they actually become competitive that doesn't involve him coming off the bench.

Well, we all have our own opinions but I think you're way off on Warren as a player if not as a trade chip. He may not be a star in the making but he certainly isn't what I think of when I think of "marginal role player" as you described him. I think he's a plus starter, even on a good team. Admittedly, I am a homer but I don't think it requires an ounce of homerism to rate him that way. Healthy, he was arguably our best player last season. I don't think he has the ceiling of a Booker or Chriss but I think he's already playing better than your typical 10 pick (even if he doesn't have trade value equal to that on draft day) and he's still improving.

Th on the spurs would be a nightmare.

Ryu · Post #1939 » by **Ryu** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:13 pm

Damkac wrote:It's incredible how underrated Warren is here.

This. People forgot how good he was until that misterious injury.

SkinnyOMiller · Post #1940 » by **SkinnyOMiller** » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:14 pm

Zelaznyrules wrote:
SkinnyOMiller wrote:
sunsbum wrote:

What the he'll are you talking about. *

Exactly what I said. Warren doesn't have much overall value, less than both Morris twins had who in spite of being complete knuckleheads, fit into the modern NBA game very well.

Warren is not a good defender and has limited shooting range, he is a solid role player. He holds more value to Phoenix than anyone else and there's no way any team is giving up a Top 10 pick for him. You can throw out all the ad hominem's you like, still won't change that. If he was this super valuable prospect, the Suns wouldn't be looking at replacing him with guys like Jackson and Tatum.

He's a decent player on a bad team but I don't really see him having much of a role on this team when/if they actually become competitive that doesn't involve him coming off the bench.

Well, we all have our own opinions but I think you're way off on Warren as a player if not as a trade chip. He may not be a star in the making but he certainly isn't what I think of when I think of "marginal role player" as you described him. I think he's a plus starter, even on a good team. Admittedly, I am a homer but I don't think it requires an ounce of homerism to rate him that way. Healthy, he was arguably our best player last season. I don't think he has the ceiling of a Booker or Chriss but I think he's already playing better than your typical 10 pick (even if he doesn't have trade value equal to that on draft day) and he's still improving.

Explain to me how you see him as a starter on a good team? Is he a great defender at the wing? Is he able to consistently score 20+ points a game? Does he have unbelievable shooting range? What playoff teams do you see him starting for?

In today's NBA, a wing that can't knock down the outside shot with any degree of reliability, that isn't a plus defender is about as useful as a 7'2" center that can rebound but is only able to hit shots 5 feet away from the basket.

This isn't to hate on Warren, its not like he was a top 3 pick but there's good reason why most here are excited about Jackson or Tatum, even if that means Warren gets relegated to the bench. Its because despite him being a good guy, despite him being able to light it up from time to time and make some crazy circus shots, you realize that he's limited as a player and if the Suns are going to become a contender, they need a guy at the wing that has to be able to play lockdown defense or at least be able to score from all over the court.