KD to the Suns

[Spin Move]

Having the night to think this over, I feel this was a big overpay given Durant's age and just how much we gave up. Bridges is probably worth 1-2 firsts, Jae Crowder got a ton fo secconds. Cam Johnson is worth a high 2nd or late first, along with some far out 1sts with no protection.

Who were we bidding against'? None of the teams with more assets would have wanted to pull the trigger, basketball wise for this year and next this is a great move, but in 5 years if we dont win a title this will be a huge regret. Seems like the owner was a little over eager to make a move and overpayed by too much. Love Durant, he gives us a chance to win a title but the depth is really not there so I would question just how good our odds are. Maybe we will get some buyout cannidates and then we will hae more dept.

[lilfishi22]

Having the night to think this over, I feel this was a big overpay given Durant's age and just how much we gave up. Bridges is probably worth 1-2 firsts, Jae Crowder got a ton fo secconds. Cam Johnson is worth a high 2nd or late first, along with some far out 1sts with no protection.

Who were we bidding against'? None of the teams with more assets would have wanted to pull the trigger, basketball wise for this year and next this is a great move, but in 5 years if we dont win a title this will be a huge regret. Seems like the owner was a little over eager to make a move and overpayed by too much. Love Durant, he gives us a chance to win a title but the depth is really not there so I would question just how good our odds are. Maybe we will get some buyout cannidates and then we will hae more dept.

The overpay is in the extra picks imo. I would be more comfortable with the trade if we included picks up to 2025 and perhaps a 2027 pick swap but for odd picks from 23-29 to go without protection is an overpay especially when we included Mikal in that trade.

As I mentioned before, this is now championship or bust. The margin of error is tiny because this would only have been worth it if we win it all. If we don't, if we can't somehow reload sufficiently around Book/KD/DA after CP3 is done, then we'll be holding onto these massive contracts without a traditional way to add young talent as we would only be left with only 3 FRP's between now and 2029.

Clippers to me showed that having all the money in the world (Ballmer) doesn't necessarily make a team sustainable nor easy to reload.

[Damkac]

4 unprotected picks and a swap is a lot, but Suns have just paid the price for a legit 3 season championship window. Helps immeasurably that the Western conference is so wide open. If the Suns make 2 finals and win a title during the window nobodies going to be upset about losing a 2029 first rounder.

Success also breeds more success. The franchise under Ishbia will also gain a lot more prestige which will be a factor in future trades and free agency. Suns have just become a legit destination now for ring chasers and buyout guys.

This. We have to stop thinking like this is a middle market franchise because I don't think Ishbia is thinking like that.

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At some point the repeater tax will not be bearable I imagine. He is not insanely rich relatively speaking in comparison to other owners. Hundreds of millions in tax bills is a lot. Now if he is turning a massive profit it may not matter but not sure if he will.

I hope he is willing to spend now untill CP and KD have anything left. That trade don't have any sense if Suns won't be doing anything possible to win it all this year or the next one.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Having the night to think this over, I feel this was a big overpay given Durant's age and just how much we gave up. Bridges is probably worth 1-2 firsts, Jae Crowder got a ton fo secconds. Cam Johnson is worth a high 2nd or late first, along with some far out 1sts with no protection.

Who were we bidding against'? None of the teams with more assets would have wanted to pull the trigger, basketball wise for this year and next this is a great move, but in 5 years if we dont win a title this will be a huge regret. Seems like the owner was a little over eager to make a move and overpayed by too much. Love Durant, he gives us a chance to win a title but the depth is really not there so I would question just how good our odds are. Maybe we will get some buyout cannidates and then we will hae more dept.

According to Vegas they moved from a 4% chance of a championship to 17% this season.

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[Saberestar]

Monty Williams can’t talk about the trade yet because it’s not official but he did reference the experience he’s had with KD both in OKC and with USA Basketball: “Kevin is the hardest worker I’ve been around.”

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[suns12345]

Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

[lilfishi22]

Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

KD should always be moveable but you never make a trade on the premise you'll get something similar back in return if it doesn't work out because rarely is that the case and even more rare for guys heading into their mid-30's. If CP3 didn't work out after a few seasons and we decided to move on from him, I highly doubt we would be able to get the equivalent of a Rubio/Oubre and pick back

No matter what, you're going to take a loss somewhere

[suns12345]

Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

KD should always be moveable but you never make a trade on the premise you'll get something similar back in return if it doesn't work out because rarely is that the case and even more rare for guys heading into their mid-30's. If CP3 didn't work out after a few seasons and we decided to move on from him, I highly doubt we would be able to get the equivalent of a Rubio/Oubre and pick back

No matter what, you're going to take a loss somewhere

But I suppose the logic is we get a legit shot at a title for two years and that's worth Mikal and the extra pick we never get back in the subsequent trade for example.

I take your point though

[Saberestar]

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This has all just been a ploy from Kevin Durant to win this girl...

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[lilfishi22]

Question for everyone I genuinely can't decide the answer to:

Assuming health, how much value does durant lose over the next year... is this a lower risk move in that if we don't win this year, and next year is going not great, we can deal durant for a similar package in a years time?

I remember Zach Lowe saying all these huge draft packages for stars aren't as big of a deal as they seem because the team can just move them on again and recoup what they have lost... However, one of my main concerns with this trade is not knowing how much Durant's value limits our ability to do this... But people would trade what we just did for 38 year old Lebron I think, and so why not do that for 36 year old durant for example?

KD should always be moveable but you never make a trade on the premise you'll get something similar back in return if it doesn't work out because rarely is that the case and even more rare for guys heading into their mid-30's. If CP3 didn't work out after a few seasons and we decided to move on from him, I highly doubt we would be able to get the equivalent of a Rubio/Oubre and pick back

No matter what, you're going to take a loss somewhere

But I suppose the logic is we get a legit shot at a title for two years and that's worth Mikal and the extra pick we never get back in the subsequent trade for example.

I take your point though

yes I think the decision was basically

1. Elite contender for 2 years then who TF knows

or

2. Playoff contender for the 5-7 years with some potential to be an elite contender at some point.

I think most GM's would go with #1 if they had the opportunity because their job is to build a winning team (we already had that) but the ultimate goal is that Gold. I just think as a team that has never won and doesn't go all in like Lakers do every half decade or so, it just feels totally off and wrong.

But I suppose it's not too dissimilar to the Raptors trading away beloved home grown all-NBA player Derozan after almost a decade for a win now move in Kawhi. But they got the championship in the end so whatever happens after is a bit non-consequential because winning it all it everything.

[GTR11]

Let me clear it up.

Fuc* y'all PHX fans.

I will cheer for KD to win another ring because he is a true pro. You guys just got great talent.

Also, CP3 deserves a rung as well. So I'll be cheering for PHX to win it all big time.

Smoke Saltics for me and rest of EC. Give them hell. Those clowns thought it would be easy this year with GSW being mediocre.

[Phystic]

4 unprotected picks and a swap is a lot, but Suns have just paid the price for a legit 3 season championship window. Helps immeasurably that the Western conference is so wide open. If the Suns make 2 finals and win a title during the window nobodies going to be upset about losing a 2029 first rounder.

Success also breeds more success. The franchise under Ishbia will also gain a lot more prestige which will be a factor in future trades and free agency. Suns have just become a legit destination now for ring chasers and buyout guys.

Are you a Nets fan or Suns fan or KD fan? I see your Suns logo but also see you posting last night on Nets board as "we".

I'm a nets fan but KD is my favorite player. I still can't fully process that our incompetent FO traded someone like KD with 3+ years left on his contract, even after all the boneheaded moves they've made in the past 2 seasons so I'm rocking the Suns logo till KD gets a chip in Arizona.

So I'd say I'm a suns fan by default now. It's not like the Suns and Nets fandom will clash with each other anytime soon. BKN is in the East and playing for the play-ins for the immediate future

Glad to have your temporary fandom. You will also have a fair amount of Suns fans on your side while you have Bridges/Cam

[Phystic]

This. We have to stop thinking like this is a middle market franchise because I don't think Ishbia is thinking like that.

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At some point the repeater tax will not be bearable I imagine. He is not insanely rich relatively speaking in comparison to other owners. Hundreds of millions in tax bills is a lot. Now if he is turning a massive profit it may not matter but not sure if he will.

Money is only one aspect, it's also about finally acting like this is a destination. Which is absolutely is now that Sarvers idiot ass is gone.

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Agreed 100%. Sucks losing our homegrown guys. But landing someone with the recognition of KD will open a lot of doors. And we somehow make every click and actually win.....maaaaaaan.

Imagine the media attention Suns winning first ring. CP3 finally wins. KD wind outside of GS. Ishbia wins immediately. Sarver being the driving cause of failure being proven. New culture.

The gamble is worth it for me. As I've said, nice seeing the Suns get back to how we were under JC/PreSarver

[darmani]

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I take it he must not be still working for the Suns or it seems this might be another piece on the Suns website.

[Saberestar]

KD can play all 3 roles in a Spain pick and roll.

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[Maf]

Wow you guys... I am totally shocked by your reactions to this trade. Like every fan of the teams that might be thinking "this could be our year, we could have a shot" are now thinking "how the hell we could beat THAT!"

Yet you are complaining about losing your favourite role players? Sorry, didn´t come here to start any fights but like noone ever thought "oh, we are playing the Suns, I am afraid what Bridges can do to us."


I tried to express my shock that rest of the league is scared **** by your team right now and yet you are unhappy.

[MrMiyagi]

Wow you guys... I am totally shocked by your reactions to this trade. Like every fan of the teams that might be thinking "this could be our year, we could have a shot" are now thinking "how the hell we could beat THAT!"

Yet you are complaining about losing your favourite role players? Sorry, didn´t come here to start any fights but like noone ever thought "oh, we are playing the Suns, I am afraid what Bridges can do to us."


I tried to express my shock that rest of the league is scared **** by your team right now and yet you are unhappy.

The best ability is availability, and Mikal is always available, and was in the middle of a leap offensively. If he could be a consistent scorer like a Khris Middleton-type, we'd be in a very good position, not to mention if we potentially added a piece like Collins or Anunoby or Bogdanovic without giving up a major rotation piece. Plus he's 27 and loved being here. There's no real reason that Booker, Mikal, Cam, and Ayton couldn't have been our foundation for the rest of the decade. If we don't win with minor upgrades, this deal was probably still there for us come Summer.

Now it's win this year, next year, or never, with potential for Booker to leave because he can't carry old and broken KD and CP3.

[MrMiyagi]

Like imagine if in 2014, Golden State decided to trade Draymond and Klay for Dirk or Pau Gasol or DWade.