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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#161 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Apr 4, 2024 10:53 pm

I get the Devin Carter interest for his production and defensive acumen as a slightly larger and more versatile version of what Jevon Carter has become for us. BUT given that I'd personally much rather use our pick (IF we don't acquire an additional one) on a rim protecting long, athletic, versatile 4/5 over a defensive guard being prioritized, I'll again offer this name as an undrafted range two way or exhibit 10 alternative consideration:

Ian Martinez (Utah State)

https://247sports.com/player/ian-martinez-46052592/#:~:text=Narrow%20frame%20with%20plenty%20of,give%20high%20upside%20on%20defense.

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jamir-watkins-is-doing-everything (further down in this article it talks a bit about Martinez)
Two guards absolutely cooked for the Aggies—Ian Martinez and Darius Brown II. Martinez is a 6’3” senior who just transferred in from Maryland but has found his footing. He’s a nice complementary guy who can shoot from deep, cut well, and has great touch inside. He’s been pesky on defense, too, with three steals and a block in this game. His 3.9 BLK% on the year is a ridiculous number for a guard.





Ian Martinez is a name we really should be looking into for his high defensive upside, versatility, and athleticism, outlier traits similar to Derrick White, but he wouldn't require us to burn our only draft pick on him as he'd likely be available in the undrafted ranges too. He's a high IQ crafty and cerebral very high motor, aggressive versatile defender with elite disruptive potential, high end athleticism, good speed, a tenacious nature.
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Post#162 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Apr 5, 2024 7:49 am

2nd round- undrafted underrated defensive/ rim protecting center options for our backup 5 consideration
Part 5 of 5 positional prospect list

1- Zach Edey (Purdue)
https://www.tankathon.com/players/zach-edey
https://nbadraftroom.com/zach-edey/
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/zach-edeys-nba-future-why-is-his-draft-stock-surging-and-will-his-game-translate


Zach Edey at 7'4 300 lbs with a 7'10 wingspan is just a massively big, very physically dominant, yet smart and fairly polished gigantic center with soft hands, good anticipation, and potentially elite post/rim protection. He has good free throw shooting at 71%, so the opposition really can't foul him, and he's been consistently working on his 3 pt shooting and faceup game. Ultimately, He's a bigger, heavier version of what we already have in Nurkic, but with better hands and finishing around the basket and somewhat similar mobility and athletic recovery concerns. I've listed as the #1 option on the list very simply because of his significant production, his size and length would also give us a modicum of insurance for Nurkic getting injured or fouling out, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, His massive size and girth would create significant gravity to force defenss to collapse into the paint and as a result, would leave our elite offensive players basically wide open on the perimeter. This factor alone would make our offense even more lethal, AND would lead to an even higher number of threes per game leading to greater overall success for us.


2- Cliff Omoruyi- (Rutgers)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/clifford-omoruyi-1.html
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/clifford-omoruyi/#:~:text=Draft%20Notes&text=He's%20a%20rim%20protector%20and,hard%20and%20dunking%20the%20ball.
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2023-nba-draft-g-league-elite-camp-recap
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Clifford Omoruyi measured in with the biggest hands and wingspan. He ranked top three in six out of the seven measurements. The Rutgers big man was nearly top in the country in made dunks due to his bounce and massive reach.


Omoruyi at 6'11 240 lbs with a 7'4+ wingspan is just a big, long, explosive, very athletic, elite rim protecting aggressive very fluid/ mobile center that has a great motor, is a strong rebounder, runs the floor very well, has some polished moves with his back to the basket, and has a solid developing faceup game. He's kind of a hybrid of Mitchell Robinson and a 7 ft Kenneth Faried! He's a solid elite rim protector and rebounder with an aggressive rugged style of play. Omoruyi is very quick and moves well laterally, allowing him to effectively guard in switches out on the perimeter and also still recover quite well as a weakside recovery defender. There's nothing fancy to his game, he does the dirty work, bangs, goes after 50/50 balls, is tenacious and just plays a physical and gritty style of play also similar to Dale Davis.

3- Ryan Kalkbrenner- (Creighton)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ryan-kalkbrenner-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-creightons-ryan-kalkbrenner#gid=ci02b53b6d600024c7&pid=usatsi_19671992
https://nbadraftroom.com/ryan-kalkbrenner/

At 7'1 260 lbs with a near 7'6 wingspan, Ryan Kalkbrenner is just a big very lanky, long thin but very mobile somewhat skilled high end shotblocker with very good lateral mobility, and recovery, a solid post game, willing rebounder (although not strong in that category yet), but also with some floor spacing ability and a smooth touch on his jumpshot! he has a high basketball IQ and is very solid fundamentally. Kalkbrenner will definitely need to get stronger to matchup effectively against legit nba bigs otherwise he'll get pushed around somewhat easily. But his primary value will be based upon his fantastic shotblocking ability due to his crazy length and impressive mobility at his size.

4- Aziz Bandaogo- (Cinncinati)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/aziz-bandaogo-1.html
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-cincinnatis-aziz-bandaogo#:~:text=USA%20TODAY%20Sports-,Prospect%20Profile,of%20competition%20in%20year%20four.

Aziz Bandaogo at 7'0 235 lbs with a 7'3 wingspan is just a long, very athletic, wiry, super mobile/ nimble, very versatile physical young center that has immense defensive potential due to his elite length, quickness, great recovery and vertical explosiveness. Bandaogo also is so long and quick both laterally as well as his 2nd jump too that he can switch out on the perimeter defensively without getting cooked by faster players due to his elite mobility and recovery strengths. He is an energetic,aggressive rebounder, and such a strong interior presence that he averages a 11.3% block percentage rate, And his impressive versatility allows him to operate as a legitimate defensive anchor in multiple defensive schemes. Offensively he has a ways to go still as he's a bit raw, but snergy has him finishing around the rim with a very impressive 74% efficiency in the halfcourt. Bandaogo is also a very active, high motor player that is constantly moving around, setting screens and creating constant defensive attention drawn to him. His quickness is lightning quick cutting to the rim, and offensively he is crafty in using some misdirection, shot fakes, etc to assist his scoring package. What most people might not be aware of though is that Bandaogo has surprising court vision for his size and will occasionally make some impressive passes. He'll need to add more weight and strength, and isn't yet a reliable floor spacer yet, BUT defensively, he'll be fairly elite already from the jump. He's a mix of a more mobile, versatile Nerlens Noel and Larry Sanders athletically.

5- Ugonna Kingsley Onyenso- (Kentucky)
https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Ugonna-Onyenso/Summary/192946
https://nbadraftroom.com/ugonna-kingsley-onyenso/
https://ukathletics.com/news/2022/08/01/kentucky-mens-basketball-adds-ugonna-kingsley-onyenso/#:~:text=He%20was%20rated%20in%20the,at%20least%2010%20blocked%20shots.

At 7'0 225 lbs with a 7'5 wingspan, Ugonna is just a long, bouncy, athletic young project big that moves well, uses his size and wingspan effectively to block shots with great timing, can move well laterally and is a switchable solid defender with encouraging recovery ability and anticipation. Ugonna does have decent basic post skills to build upon, and is a willing rebounder and a pretty solid positional defender in the post with good footwork. He's a bit thin and will need to fill out and add strength, but his potential as a solid defensive center is reasonably high if he lands in the right development system. He's a bit of a mix of a slightly smaller moses brown 2nd and Christian Koloko (upside outcome)??

6- Felix Okpala- (Ohio State)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/felix-okpara-1.html
https://nbadraftroom.com/felix-okpara/#:~:text=Draft%20Notes&text=He's%20got%20really%20good%20length,try%20to%20do%20too%20much.
https://247sports.com/Article/scouting-report-ohio-state-felix-okpara-181581310/
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At 6'11 230 lbs with a 7'4 wingspan, Okpala is a very explosive, athletic, long, very energetic, aggressive, very mobile athletic, young high level shotblocking center option that's kind of raw ( needing significant development), But he already has a very high, elite defensive trajectory. He's very long, quick, and has great defensive versatility, recovery and weakside recovery ability due to his quick twitch explosive athleticism and his mobility and quick 2nd jump too. He'll also need to put on weight and add strength. But the defensive potential is immensely high. Okpala is basically an athletically explosive very quick, long, high motor, aggressive rim protector that's a mix of Theo Ratliff and Kelvin Cato.

7- Nfaly Dante- (Oregon)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nfaly-dante-1.html
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/nfaly-dante/#:~:text=Draft%20Notes,twice%20before%20entering%20the%20lane.
https://www.nbascoutinglive.com/nfaly-dante-scouting-report/

Nfaly Dante at 7'0 250 lbs with a near 7'6 wingspan is a big, strong, physical, athletic, intimidating rim presence that has elite defensive potential and is a strong, physical rebounder too. His motor is very solid, BUT he's still pretty raw offensively, and will need significant development, although he does already have good coordination, can play in transition, and has a smooth touch and dunks with authority. He's more or less a more physical and aggressive high motor oriented version of Ayton with tenacity, but not as advanced yet polished overall offensively. He has a high defensive ceiling if he lands in the right situation.

8- Baye Fall- (Arkansas)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/baye-fall-2.html
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/baye-fall/
https://nbadraftroom.com/baye-fall/

At 6'11 215 lbs but with a 7'4 wingspan, Fall is a thin,wiry long, energetic center with a high end motor. He's still very young and pretty raw and will need to add significant weight and strength as he's just so thin. He'll need a lot of development to reach his ceiling outcome of somewhere in the range of a more advanced Marcus Camby. But he's very athletic, long, quick, and vertically explosive playing effortlessly above the rim. He'd offer great value as a long, very switchable, hyper athletic, high energy rim runner and paint protector. But again, he'll take a few years of development to reach his elite defensive ceiling.

9- Ariel Hukporti- ( Germany- MHP Riesen Ludwigsburg)
https://www.proballers.com/basketball/player/74961/ariel-hukporti
https://www.nba.com/draft/2022/prospects/ariel-hukporti
https://nbadraftroom.com/ariel-hukporti/

At 7'0 250 lbs, Ariel Huktpori is a big, strong, athletic, mobile, physical throwback type center that plays solid defensively, but isn't much of a threat offensively, and has no real floor spacing ability or shooting touch yet.
But he does roll hard to the rim, and has good footwork in the post with decent offensive post moves. On defense, he's big, strong, and athletic as a strong positional defender due to his great defensive anticipation, hand speed and ball mapping with opponents only shooting 27% when being defended by him. he moves and rotates really well as a weakside shotblocker, he's a physical rebounder and defender, and is fairly mobile and plays with grit and tenacity. He's a mix of a low end Capela and a slightly bigger emeka Okafor perhaps.

10- Kel' el Ware- (Indiana)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kelel-ware-1.html
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/kelel-ware/
https://nbadraftroom.com/kelel-ware/

At 7'0 242 lbs with a 7'7 wingspan, Ware is a long, athletic, very lanky and versatile defensive center prospect. He shows great mobility, recovery as a weakside shotblocker and lateral mobility with advanced defensive anticipation. His fluidity, length and plus athlticism allows him to switch really well and potentially anchor various defensive schemes/ matchups. Offensively he has a solid jumpshot, improving 3 PT shot too, is already a good rebounder and floor spacer, has good "in game" processing ability, and cuts well too. His major weaknesses are his slight frame, aversion to physicality, and his questionable hot/cold inconsistent motor. He'll need significant polish to reach his ceiling outcome of a hybrid version of Tyson Chandler and Jarrett Allen primarily because of his questionable motor and work ethic. But if he can turn these issues around, then he has elite starter level two way defensive center potential.

************Honorable mentions********************************
*** Connor Vanover. A 7'3 shorter, just as skinny but still somewhat skilled high motor version of Shawn Bradley.
- Jamarion Sharpe. A lanky 7'5 but more mobile version of Rudy Gobert with similar game and mobility/ strength concerns.
- Jason Jitoboh. A 6'11 285 lb old school physical bruising center that's almost identical in playstyle to Udoka Azuibuke.
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Post#163 » by bwgood77 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 12:53 am

Tankathon now has us taking Kolek with our pick in their mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft
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Post#164 » by NapoleonII » Sun Apr 7, 2024 2:53 am

Watching Caitlin Clarke has been way more enjoyable than the NCAA men's games - anyone else agree? She can at least dribble and pushes the pace, my god.

I watch men's college basketball and I feel like I'm watching the two worst teams of 1993 go at each other.

Exciting that Clarke elevating the woman's game so much in terms of viewership and culture/impact.
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Post#165 » by Stix » Sun Apr 7, 2024 4:51 am

If Edey is there, gotta take hime with our 1st - Solves our backup C problem, and can be Nurk's protegé.
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Post#166 » by Blonde » Sun Apr 7, 2024 5:04 am

Stix wrote:If Edey is there, gotta take hime with our 1st - Solves our backup C problem, and can be Nurk's protegé.

I agree I would probably take him and he would fit an immediate need + would be a fun player to root for. If Devin Carter is available he would be first priority though. Ryan Dunn intrigues me if he can show any sort of shooting in his pre-draft. We already have several wings that are all D and no 3 though. I think there is a pretty high chance of a couple lottery projected players slipping to the 20s as well.
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Post#167 » by garrick » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:16 am

bwgood77 wrote:Tankathon now has us taking Kolek with our pick in their mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft


Seems like a good fit and he's a senior which JJ seems to love.

However JJ has never chosen a PG in the draft and loves wings so don't be surprised if JJ picks a wing if the choice is up to him.
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Post#168 » by Saberestar » Sun Apr 7, 2024 9:28 am

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bwgood77 wrote:Tankathon now has us taking Kolek with our pick in their mock.

https://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft


Seems like a good fit and he's a senior which JJ seems to love.

However JJ has never chosen a PG in the draft and loves wings so don't be surprised if JJ picks a wing if the choice is up to him.

James Jones chose Ty Jerome in 2019 draft.
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Post#169 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Apr 7, 2024 3:01 pm

I've been thinking about the comparison between these two players for a bit now due to their similar skillsets, playstyles and athletic limitations, etc. And decided to explore a comparison of the two just for gifs and shiggles....lol.

Now although I strongly believe that a dominant athletic, long, quick RIM PROTECTING 4/5 is our greatest positional need, I'd have no real qualms with taking Kolek for a backup guard option at around or pick ( in the 21-24 range most likely) because Kolek would liq key stabilize our bench well as a table setting guard. So that would be a plus going forward.

But I will also say that aside from moderately better shooting efficiency, Kolek and Ty Jerome are honestly fairly similar in multiple categories give or take a few very minor advantages to one or the other of the two. This leaves me wondering if perhaps Kolek might have a similar outcome trajectory as Jerome had ( possibly slightly better) but similar nevertheless due to these similarities/ considerations??


https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyler-kolek--ty-jerome
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Post#170 » by SunsRback4Good » Sun Apr 7, 2024 5:19 pm

Caitlin Clark puts up 35+ points as Iowa downs the gamecocks by one point to win the women’s national championship. You heard it here first folks.
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Post#171 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Sun Apr 7, 2024 5:53 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I've been thinking about the comparison between these two players for a bit now due to their similar skillsets, playstyles and athletic limitations, etc. And decided to explore a comparison of the two just for gifs and shiggles....lol.

Now although I strongly believe that a dominant athletic, long, quick RIM PROTECTING 4/5 is our greatest positional need, I'd have no real qualms with taking Kolek for a backup guard option at around or pick ( in the 21-24 range most likely) because Kolek would liq key stabilize our bench well as a table setting guard. So that would be a plus going forward.

But I will also say that aside from moderately better shooting efficiency, Kolek and Ty Jerome are honestly fairly similar in multiple categories give or take a few very minor advantages to one or the other of the two. This leaves me wondering if perhaps Kolek might have a similar outcome trajectory as Jerome had ( possibly slightly better) but similar nevertheless due to these similarities/ considerations??


https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyler-kolek--ty-jerome


Yeah, my goodness those two seem similar. Neither of them have a whole lot of burst. Pass.
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Post#172 » by bwgood77 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:29 pm

Kolek rises to big game occasions and is a true floor general. His assists are MUCH higher as is his efficiency, TS%. He can finish at the rim. Jerome may have been a little better from 3, but Kolek is solid there but much better finishing and setting others up.

Do I think he could not pan out? Sure, but he seems like one of those leaders who has the intangibles and team leadership to navigate the game, and either drive or set up others. He isn't Brunson but Brunson went in the 30s too....and they have similar attributes in mentality, though Kolek is more of a pass first guy.

Now, I wouldn't be as high on him if I thought there were a lot of good prospects in this draft, especially in our range, but I'd be pretty happy with the pick. Same with Edey. I see why some don't like him, as they think his lateral movement isn't great, but he has that mentality also to step up in big games, has won 2 national players of the year b2b, and is about to play in the national championship against the top C prospect in the draft. He has shown very good rim protection in the tourney, while averaging like 28 and 12. Kolek averaged like 20 and 10.

I don't think I'd ever heard of Ty Jerome before we took him. Anyway, I doubt they take a raw guy, and think they will take one of these guys with big game experience. We have needs everywhere for depth though, but I think PG and C are the main places. Nurkic has his weaknesses and is old...he doesn't move any better than Edey. Edey does get compared to Brook Lopez, who many thought was great in college but a plodder....and he only shot 6 3s in his first 7 seasons or something like that.

I am not sure if Ish's nephew, the DJ who they hired as a scout with no experience will have a lot of say, or Ish, or IT. I don't completely trust James Jones, but moreso than those others. The only problem with Kolek may be upside compared to a younger guy they could take and hopes blossoms like they did with Josh Jackson. But then again, they probably didn't expect Nash to be a guy who had a super high ceiling and be a 2 time mvp either. Kolek's #s are better than Nash's in his final season.

Look at their comparison...they are probably a better comparison, and Kolek beats him almost everywhere.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=tyler-kolek--steve-nash
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Post#173 » by bwgood77 » Sun Apr 7, 2024 8:33 pm

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Stix wrote:If Edey is there, gotta take hime with our 1st - Solves our backup C problem, and can be Nurk's protegé.

I agree I would probably take him and he would fit an immediate need + would be a fun player to root for. If Devin Carter is available he would be first priority though. Ryan Dunn intrigues me if he can show any sort of shooting in his pre-draft. We already have several wings that are all D and no 3 though. I think there is a pretty high chance of a couple lottery projected players slipping to the 20s as well.


I do like Edey a lot. In a way, his weaknesses on D mirror Nurkic's, but he's bigger and a better rim protector and scorer. Not quite the passer and can't shoot 3s, but Nurkic really can't either. And it's something Edey might add like Lopez did after not shooting any for 7 years. You don't win national player of the year in consecutive seasons and lead your team to the title game unlesss you have that IT factor and winning mentality. Plus his sheer size and wingspan (7'10.5) would be nice when we have to go against Wemby, Chet, Sengun, Kessler, etc. He's a lot bigger and stronger than all those guys too.
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Post#174 » by RedIndian » Mon Apr 8, 2024 11:32 am

I think I'd also lean towards Devin Carter as the best pick in our draft range (likely to be between #18-22). PoA defense is one of this team's biggest issues, and this guy is very much in that Derrick White or Caruso mould of players.

I'd also be interested in DaRon Holmes as someone who can come in and contribute straight away as a bench big, but I wonder if his upside isn't limited to strictly being a bench guy. I like Edey also, and if he's available at our pick range, would have to seriously consider taking him even though he wouldn't be without limitations in the NBA. I wouldn't hate Kolek, because he's clearly a very high IQ guy (I also think he'd be much better than Jerome), but I think his ceiling is also capped as a reserve PG. Not enough athleticism, or dynamism to be a starting level scorer in the league.

Dunn and Murray-Boyles are definitely the two most specialist defensive players in the draft, but their shooting is SO bad. I'd probably roll the dice on Tyler Smith before either of them.
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Post#175 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 9, 2024 3:58 am

I still like Kolek. He's a floor general who brings high level playmaking, elite court vision, can attack the rim, plays smart defense and a really solid shooter. Early 20's would be a bit high but he's a good trade down candidate especially if you can get a 2nd out of it to be used for future trades. Pair him with an actually offensively minded coach who can leverage his skillset and I think we could have a very high octane offense.
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Post#176 » by bwgood77 » Tue Apr 9, 2024 4:37 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I still like Kolek. He's a floor general who brings high level playmaking, elite court vision, can attack the rim, plays smart defense and a really solid shooter. Early 20's would be a bit high but he's a good trade down candidate especially if you can get a 2nd out of it to be used for future trades. Pair him with an actually offensively minded coach who can leverage his skillset and I think we could have a very high octane offense.


If you really like and are targeting a player that could go late first to high/mid 2nd it's risky to trade down. Tough draft. I only watched the first half of the championship game (and sparingly the second) but near the end of the first half they had said Edey started off pretty well but had missed his last 6 shots. So that was about time I stopped watching...thinking maybe Edey is not the guy and when he goes against another MVP level C he doesn't have it.

Then I go back and look at the box score now and he had 37, 10 and 2 blocks, getting to the line 10x. The craziest thing to me looking at it was that he was 15-25, meaning those 6 shots he missed in a row were more than half his missed shots of the entire game. He averaged getting to the line 11.2x this year. And offensively he scored almost 2pts per shot which is crazy given he doesn't shoot 3s.....yet.

Then I look at Clingan, who is projected like top 5, and he had 11 and 5.

Now some good say "well they didn't double Edey so they couldn't leave their lethal 3 pt shooters open" but it's not like you expect a rookie C to be doubled in the NBA either, and he was going against supposedly the best big guy in the country.

As far as Kolek, I generally kind of feel like if you have a high iq, are crafty, can shoot and can get to the rim, you can play in the NBA. Now maybe he will have more trouble getting to the rim in the NBA, but he is so good at getting there with his left hand and he's the same size Nash was...more assists and a better 3 pt shooter than Nash as shown above in my prospect comparison from tankathon.

But it's just hard to know with either of those guys. I started out with that sentence about Kolek and the high IQ, court vision, shooting to say that stuff is probably more translatable to the NBA than what Edey does...but then again, you can't teach 7'4 with a 7'10.5 wingspan.

There is probably a decent chance Edey will be gone. He is projected by Givony and ESPN to go in the lottery..likely late lottery even though most of the less reputable sites have him late first or early 2nd. It just seems weird he'd fall that low given his size, scoring ability, national player of the year twice, etc.
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Post#177 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 9, 2024 5:49 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:I still like Kolek. He's a floor general who brings high level playmaking, elite court vision, can attack the rim, plays smart defense and a really solid shooter. Early 20's would be a bit high but he's a good trade down candidate especially if you can get a 2nd out of it to be used for future trades. Pair him with an actually offensively minded coach who can leverage his skillset and I think we could have a very high octane offense.


If you really like and are targeting a player that could go late first to high/mid 2nd it's risky to trade down. Tough draft. I only watched the first half of the championship game (and sparingly the second) but near the end of the first half they had said Edey started off pretty well but had missed his last 6 shots. So that was about time I stopped watching...thinking maybe Edey is not the guy and when he goes against another MVP level C he doesn't have it.

Then I go back and look at the box score now and he had 37, 10 and 2 blocks, getting to the line 10x. The craziest thing to me looking at it was that he was 15-25, meaning those 6 shots he missed in a row were more than half his missed shots of the entire game. He averaged getting to the line 11.2x this year. And offensively he scored almost 2pts per shot which is crazy given he doesn't shoot 3s.....yet.

Then I look at Clingan, who is projected like top 5, and he had 11 and 5.

Now some good say "well they didn't double Edey so they couldn't leave their lethal 3 pt shooters open" but it's not like you expect a rookie C to be doubled in the NBA either, and he was going against supposedly the best big guy in the country.

As far as Kolek, I generally kind of feel like if you have a high iq, are crafty, can shoot and can get to the rim, you can play in the NBA. Now maybe he will have more trouble getting to the rim in the NBA, but he is so good at getting there with his left hand and he's the same size Nash was...more assists and a better 3 pt shooter than Nash as shown above in my prospect comparison from tankathon.

But it's just hard to know with either of those guys. I started out with that sentence about Kolek and the high IQ, court vision, shooting to say that stuff is probably more translatable to the NBA than what Edey does...but then again, you can't teach 7'4 with a 7'10.5 wingspan.

There is probably a decent chance Edey will be gone. He is projected by Givony and ESPN to go in the lottery..likely late lottery even though most of the less reputable sites have him late first or early 2nd. It just seems weird he'd fall that low given his size, scoring ability, national player of the year twice, etc.

The thing was Edey is he has a lot of the hallmarks of a C who dominated college but couldn't make it at the NBA level. The fact that it's 2024 and he's built and plays like a 90's or early 2000's C is a legit question mark. I'm usually of the thought that if you're a stiff, I don't care what you average in college, I just think the odds are against you in the NBA. That's just the odds though, it doesn't mean he can't be an NBA player and have a decent career but it's not a wagon I want to hitch onto with one of my very few FRP. He might end up having a great career but I still wouldn't change my rule against drafting stiff C's to the NBA because he'd be the exception to that rule. If he didn't dominate college and lead his team all the way to the Finals, I just don't think any scout or team is looking at his profile thinking he's the kind of player I want to draft in today's NBA.

With Kolek, I see why he has a ceiling and also why he's looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick but I think what he brings just fits and should fit from day 1. What I want from this draft is to get someone who doesn't necessarily have to put up great stats but they should be able to elevate others either directly or indirectly through their own play. I could see Edey possibly making us more difficult to defend by putting him in the post to get easy shots (unlike Nurk) and grab O boards but I also see him giving up a lot more on the defensive end. With Kolek I think he's real value add because he not only could stretch the floor for the guys but also able to make the smart passes, be that traditional PG initiating the offense and being a great complement to the Big 3.

The other side to this equation is getting a new offensively minded coach who could really tap into the full offensive potential of this team.
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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#178 » by Biff » Tue Apr 9, 2024 6:26 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I still like Kolek. He's a floor general who brings high level playmaking, elite court vision, can attack the rim, plays smart defense and a really solid shooter. Early 20's would be a bit high but he's a good trade down candidate especially if you can get a 2nd out of it to be used for future trades. Pair him with an actually offensively minded coach who can leverage his skillset and I think we could have a very high octane offense.


If you really like and are targeting a player that could go late first to high/mid 2nd it's risky to trade down. Tough draft. I only watched the first half of the championship game (and sparingly the second) but near the end of the first half they had said Edey started off pretty well but had missed his last 6 shots. So that was about time I stopped watching...thinking maybe Edey is not the guy and when he goes against another MVP level C he doesn't have it.

Then I go back and look at the box score now and he had 37, 10 and 2 blocks, getting to the line 10x. The craziest thing to me looking at it was that he was 15-25, meaning those 6 shots he missed in a row were more than half his missed shots of the entire game. He averaged getting to the line 11.2x this year. And offensively he scored almost 2pts per shot which is crazy given he doesn't shoot 3s.....yet.

Then I look at Clingan, who is projected like top 5, and he had 11 and 5.

Now some good say "well they didn't double Edey so they couldn't leave their lethal 3 pt shooters open" but it's not like you expect a rookie C to be doubled in the NBA either, and he was going against supposedly the best big guy in the country.

As far as Kolek, I generally kind of feel like if you have a high iq, are crafty, can shoot and can get to the rim, you can play in the NBA. Now maybe he will have more trouble getting to the rim in the NBA, but he is so good at getting there with his left hand and he's the same size Nash was...more assists and a better 3 pt shooter than Nash as shown above in my prospect comparison from tankathon.

But it's just hard to know with either of those guys. I started out with that sentence about Kolek and the high IQ, court vision, shooting to say that stuff is probably more translatable to the NBA than what Edey does...but then again, you can't teach 7'4 with a 7'10.5 wingspan.

There is probably a decent chance Edey will be gone. He is projected by Givony and ESPN to go in the lottery..likely late lottery even though most of the less reputable sites have him late first or early 2nd. It just seems weird he'd fall that low given his size, scoring ability, national player of the year twice, etc.

The thing was Edey is he has a lot of the hallmarks of a C who dominated college but couldn't make it at the NBA level. The fact that it's 2024 and he's built and plays like a 90's or early 2000's C is a legit question mark. I'm usually of the thought that if you're a stiff, I don't care what you average in college, I just think the odds are against you in the NBA. That's just the odds though, it doesn't mean he can't be an NBA player and have a decent career but it's not a wagon I want to hitch onto with one of my very few FRP. He might end up having a great career but I still wouldn't change my rule against drafting stiff C's to the NBA because he'd be the exception to that rule. If he didn't dominate college and lead his team all the way to the Finals, I just don't think any scout or team is looking at his profile thinking he's the kind of player I want to draft in today's NBA.

With Kolek, I see why he has a ceiling and also why he's looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick but I think what he brings just fits and should fit from day 1. What I want from this draft is to get someone who doesn't necessarily have to put up great stats but they should be able to elevate others either directly or indirectly through their own play. I could see Edey possibly making us more difficult to defend by putting him in the post to get easy shots (unlike Nurk) and grab O boards but I also see him giving up a lot more on the defensive end. With Kolek I think he's real value add because he not only could stretch the floor for the guys but also able to make the smart passes, be that traditional PG initiating the offense and being a great complement to the Big 3.

The other side to this equation is getting a new offensively minded coach who could really tap into the full offensive potential of this team.


I don't think Edey has any chance at all at becoming a starter in the NBA. He will be a situational big. He's far too slow laterally to come close to covering anyone on the perimeter. He will get targeted over and over on defense and will be mostly unplayable in the playoffs.
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Post#179 » by Qwigglez » Tue Apr 9, 2024 6:31 am

I'll take the Cream Abdul Jabar player. He looked like he'd be fun to watch.
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Re: NBA Draft Prospect watch with March Madness 

Post#180 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Apr 9, 2024 7:40 am

Biff wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
If you really like and are targeting a player that could go late first to high/mid 2nd it's risky to trade down. Tough draft. I only watched the first half of the championship game (and sparingly the second) but near the end of the first half they had said Edey started off pretty well but had missed his last 6 shots. So that was about time I stopped watching...thinking maybe Edey is not the guy and when he goes against another MVP level C he doesn't have it.

Then I go back and look at the box score now and he had 37, 10 and 2 blocks, getting to the line 10x. The craziest thing to me looking at it was that he was 15-25, meaning those 6 shots he missed in a row were more than half his missed shots of the entire game. He averaged getting to the line 11.2x this year. And offensively he scored almost 2pts per shot which is crazy given he doesn't shoot 3s.....yet.

Then I look at Clingan, who is projected like top 5, and he had 11 and 5.

Now some good say "well they didn't double Edey so they couldn't leave their lethal 3 pt shooters open" but it's not like you expect a rookie C to be doubled in the NBA either, and he was going against supposedly the best big guy in the country.

As far as Kolek, I generally kind of feel like if you have a high iq, are crafty, can shoot and can get to the rim, you can play in the NBA. Now maybe he will have more trouble getting to the rim in the NBA, but he is so good at getting there with his left hand and he's the same size Nash was...more assists and a better 3 pt shooter than Nash as shown above in my prospect comparison from tankathon.

But it's just hard to know with either of those guys. I started out with that sentence about Kolek and the high IQ, court vision, shooting to say that stuff is probably more translatable to the NBA than what Edey does...but then again, you can't teach 7'4 with a 7'10.5 wingspan.

There is probably a decent chance Edey will be gone. He is projected by Givony and ESPN to go in the lottery..likely late lottery even though most of the less reputable sites have him late first or early 2nd. It just seems weird he'd fall that low given his size, scoring ability, national player of the year twice, etc.

The thing was Edey is he has a lot of the hallmarks of a C who dominated college but couldn't make it at the NBA level. The fact that it's 2024 and he's built and plays like a 90's or early 2000's C is a legit question mark. I'm usually of the thought that if you're a stiff, I don't care what you average in college, I just think the odds are against you in the NBA. That's just the odds though, it doesn't mean he can't be an NBA player and have a decent career but it's not a wagon I want to hitch onto with one of my very few FRP. He might end up having a great career but I still wouldn't change my rule against drafting stiff C's to the NBA because he'd be the exception to that rule. If he didn't dominate college and lead his team all the way to the Finals, I just don't think any scout or team is looking at his profile thinking he's the kind of player I want to draft in today's NBA.

With Kolek, I see why he has a ceiling and also why he's looking at a late 1st round/early 2nd round pick but I think what he brings just fits and should fit from day 1. What I want from this draft is to get someone who doesn't necessarily have to put up great stats but they should be able to elevate others either directly or indirectly through their own play. I could see Edey possibly making us more difficult to defend by putting him in the post to get easy shots (unlike Nurk) and grab O boards but I also see him giving up a lot more on the defensive end. With Kolek I think he's real value add because he not only could stretch the floor for the guys but also able to make the smart passes, be that traditional PG initiating the offense and being a great complement to the Big 3.

The other side to this equation is getting a new offensively minded coach who could really tap into the full offensive potential of this team.


I don't think Edey has any chance at all at becoming a starter in the NBA. He will be a situational big. He's far too slow laterally to come close to covering anyone on the perimeter. He will get targeted over and over on defense and will be mostly unplayable in the playoffs.


There's a scenario where he could have a Zubac-esque career. They are both massive plodding bodies who sets great screens, is a huge presence on both ends of the court in the paint and Zubac has found a role as a starter on a good team. Am I counting on it? Absolutely not and the odds are stacked heavily against him but can't say impossible either.

That's also why I'm higher on Kolek. I can see a pathway for him to bring real value to an NBA team
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