NBA Draft 2024

Ghost of Kleine · Post #81 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:57 am

Another potential big wing with floor spacing, high IQ, playmaking and solid athletic versatility to consider in Payton Sandfort?

Ghost of Kleine · Post #82 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Mar 4, 2024 11:22 pm

Hidden gem/potential steals late 2nd round- undrafted range 3 & D shooting guards/defensive wings
Part 3 0f 5 positional prospect list

1- Nique' Clifford (Colorado)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nique-clifford-1.html

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At 6'6- 6'7 with a long wingspan, very high basketball IQ, great defensive versatility, quick burst lateral speed, and explosive vertical burst (above the rim explosiveness), Nique' is a slightly smaller budget version of what we had in Mikal Bridges. He always plays within himself, not doing too much, but still doing a bit of everything being adept at passing, shooting, dribbling, making sound defensive plays and also always makes the smart winning plays. He's a smooth slashing wing with a pretty jumpshot and good finishing around the rim. Nique' is also a great rebounder, solid ballhandler, and generally a very talented, very versatile high end two-way wing.

2- Matthew Cleveland- (Miami)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matthew-cleveland-1.html

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At 6'7 195 lbs with a 6'10 - 6'11 wingspan, Cleveland is a long, rangy, high end athletic versatile two way wing with great defensive versatility, a solid basketball IQ, high end motor, and great weakside recovery, anticipatory instincts and is great in the passing lanes as well. He has a high projectable two-way ceiling along the lines of Devin Vassell, and a floor of a more athletic Danny Green/ Josh Richardson perhaps?

3- Otego Oweh (Miami)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/otega-oweh-1.html

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At 6'5 and 215 lbs with a strong frame and great athleticism and elite shooting efficiency Oweh is a really high potential two-way wing that plays with great energy, intensity and a non stop motor. He's very athletic and versatile with a good basketball IQ. Oweh is also a great spot up shooter, has good movement and relocation skills and is a tenacious defender with good anticipatory skills that help him rack up steals.

4- Terrence Arcenaux- (Houston)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/terrance-arceneaux-1.html

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At around 6'6- 6'7 with a 7 ft wingspan and a relentless motor and elite defensive attributes in high end awareness, anticipation and ability to cover large distances in defensive closeouts and recovery situations, TA has a very high end defensive ceiling. He's super tenacious, very disruptive playing the passing lanes, is always hustling and diving for loose balls too. He a a great glue guy wing option that is a solid floor spacer, weakside shotblocker and basically does all the little things to help his team win. He always plays with great intensity and passion!

5- Terrence Shannon- (Illinois)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/terrence-shannonjr-1.html

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At 6'6 210 lbs with a 6'10 wingspan and high end athleticism, good physicality, a high end motor and great tenacity and defensive anticipation and weakside recovery ability (underrated weakside shotblocker with great bounce), Terrence Shannon is a highly versatile and impactful two-way wing prospect. Shannon is very fast changing ends on the break and has elite rim rocking athleticism and solid range of fundamentals being able to dribble, pass, rebound, defend 1-4 positions, and has potential to develop into a "lockdown" defensive wing. He's also a fluid 3 level wing with great lateral mobility and a smooth jumper. He'd add great value as a strong, athletic versatile two-way impact wing. But whatever team that chooses to draft him, would be well advised to keep an eye on his character choices, and life choices being mentored carefully.

6- Kobe Johnson
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kobe-johnson-1.html

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at 6'5 170 lbs with a strong, athletic frame, high end motor, and a physical and aggressive mentality and a really solid basketball IQ, Johnson (The younger brother of the Atlanta Hawks Jalen Johnson) is a very solid rebounder and an underrated passer and a solid 3 level scorer with a smooth jumpshot shooting upwards of 36% from three. He's an energetic, physical defender with good recovery and anticipatory skills that racks up steals at a 4.4% rate. He's another strong, physical, smart, versatile two-way wing with three level scoring ability that never takes plays off and makes underrated impact plays on both ends. His game/playstyle reminds of Raja Bell somewhat.

7- Josiah James Jordan- (Tennesee)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josiah-jordan-james-1.html

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At 6'6 207 lbs with a 6'11 wingspan and a sturdy frame,a rugged physical mentality, and solid athleticism, James is a solid physical value versatile wing that has a good motor, plus athleticism, servicable but improving jumpshot, is an underrated playmaker and good connector who iniates good screen assists and who has good court vision, James is also a solid disruptive defender that gets steals and can block some shots too with his recovery anticipation and solid defensive recovery and drop coverage instincts. He will need to polish up his shooting and overall offensive game. And he'll need to become more assertive trusting his abilities, but he's got very solid foundational skills that'll bring value to some team. He's more or less a very solid bargain version of bruce Brown?

8- Scotty Middleton- (Ohio State)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/scotty-middleton-1.html

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At 6'7 195 lbs, Middleton is a long, rangy, wiry but high end athletic and very switchable versatile wing with a smooth jumpshot and good relocation skills and movement shooting. Middleton is also a phenomenal spot up shooter hitting well over 43% of his threes and can really guard multiple positions up and down the line with his great fluidity and lateral defensive mobility. He has a very high end trajectory given his immense versatility, switchability, basketball IQ, and smooth two way ability and impressive handle. He's going to provide impact value and defensive versatility from the jump for whatver team that drafts him.

9- Vontarius Woolbright- (Western Carolina)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/vonterius-woolbright-1.html

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At 6'6 210 lbs (but closer to 6'8- 6'9), Woolbright is a long, wiry, smooth but not very athletic wing with guard skills a fairly decent jumpshot but not a legit floor spacing threat currently, still, Woolbright has really crafty, smooth downhill ability, and who is a tenacious defender, a good playmaker, a PHENOMENAL REBOUNDER, and a stat stuffing monster at times. Woolbright is a double double machine and an talented slashing wing/guard with a a unique amount of size, wiry strength and fluidity. He also has good bounce and a fair amount of above the rim ability. He plays with a tough, physical mentality and a bully ball style of play utilizing his size well against smaller players. He's an incredible rebounder for his size, shows instances of advanced playmaking, skillful connective passing, and a unique mix of a power and finesse game.

10- Keshawn Harris Smith- (Maryland)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deshawn-harris-smith-2.html

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At 6'5 210 lbs with ELITE athleticism, vertical burst and a high end relentless motor, KSH is ironically very similar to another high end defensive wing in KCP!! . And although Keshawn isn't yet the accomplished shooter/floor spacer that KCP is, KSH is a high end potential "lockdown" defensive wing with elite defensive instincts and attributes. He'll just need time to properly develop. He has ELITE athleticism, strength, and top notch feel for cutting to the basket and scoring with a soft touch around the rim. He plays with a great intensity and edginess for the game! He has a relentless motor that never quits, and has a low usage, "do whatever is needed to win" humble yet passionate mentality. He's a very good physical defender with a nose for the ball and who leverags his size,energy and athleticism well to his advantage in matchups. He does a variety of little things that impact the game and habitually makes winning plays. Again, he's a more athletic but (currently) less offensively polished version of Kentavious Caldwell Pope (Denver Nuggets).

Ghost of Kleine · Post #83 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Wed Mar 13, 2024 2:16 am

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Amari Williams is another very high end athletic, physical, long defender with some intruiging offensive and underlying passing skills that we should have on our big board. He's fairly well skilled with a solid basketball IQ and developing floor spacing skillset for a strong, physical, athletic and aggressive powerful 4/5 option. He plays a bit like a slightly smaller Joel Embiid. But can play either the 4 or the 5, and is a very strong rim protector.

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Post #84 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:46 pm

AZ's first conference tourney game starts in 15 minutes.

Post #85 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:19 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:.

So lets talk about our first round pick. Not sure if you've talked about it much, but obviously that is the biggest potential to inject something new into our rotation.

From Tankathon, I will post their Big Board, then mock, then their projected pick. In the mock, the 3 Cs who go between 13-17 right before us look interesting, especially Donovan Clingan, who looks like a defensive monster with size, blocking a lot of shots, rebounding, etc. He also is playing for UConn, one of the best teams in the country, and one who many pick to win it all in the tourney. We should get at least 4-5 games from him in the next few weeks.

Big Board:

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Mock:

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Our projected pick, a 6'8 SF who is a great defender who can get a ton of blocks, is a great rebounder, etc...only problem is he can't shoot 3s. But he could be a great 5th starter in a small ball lineup with Beal, Book, Allen, Dunn, KD, or just a great rotation guy to beef up the defense.....come in when the first guy sits:

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Post #86 » by **bwgood77** » Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:47 pm

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March Madness is finally here as college basketball's top players will enter the spotlight over the next few weeks.

NBA scouts will get one last look at many draft prospects competing for the final time before spring combines. The top of the 2024 draft class has been occupied most of the season by international prospects Alex Sarr and Zacharie Rischessier. Still, they won't have a platform like the NCAA tournament to showcase their skills the way Kentucky's Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham have access to starting on Thursday.

ESPN NBA draft insiders Jonathan Givony and Jeremy Woo provide their list of the top 50 prospects to watch during the NCAA tournament.

50. Johnell Davis | PG/SG | Florida Atlantic
6-4 | Age: 22.8 | Senior

When: No. 8 Florida Atlantic vs. No. 9 Northwestern | Friday | 12:15 p.m. ET | CBS

The key spark plug behind FAU's 2023 Cinderella run, Davis and the Owls are back for another run, although they won't surprise anyone this time. Asked to shoulder quite a bit of offense, Davis shot the ball markedly better from distance this season (up from 36% to 42% on 4.1 attempts), a development that helps his chances of finding a niche as a role player. While possessing average size and tools, Davis displays toughness and versatility on and off the ball that give him a selling point on a two-way contract. After earning an invite to the G-League Elite Camp last year, he should get an opportunity to build on that in the pre-draft process. -- Jeremy Woo

49. Caleb Love | SG | Arizona
6-4 | Age: 22.4 | Senior

When: No. 2 Arizona vs. No. 15 Long Beach State | Thursday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

Love is no stranger to the NCAA tournament, as the author of some memorable moments leading North Carolina to the 2022 championship game. After an efficient senior season by his standards at Arizona, Love has been in a major slump for three consecutive highly visible games -- shooting 7-for-34 from the field with 11 turnovers -- reminding scouts of the poor shot selection and questionable decision-making that plagued his time at UNC. Love's microwave scoring and shot-making prowess could make him attractive to NBA teams as a two-way candidate, but finding a way to finish his career on a positive note and not revert to old, bad habits would surely help his cause going into the pre-draft process. -- Jonathan Givony

48. Tristen Newton | PG/SG | UConn
6-5 | Age: 22.8 | Senior

When: No. 1 Connecticut vs. No. 16 Stetson | Friday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

While not the first name that comes to mind when rifling through UConn's talented prospects, Newton has been a key performer for the Huskies the past two seasons, finding ways to contribute as a scorer and playmaker within a system-driven, high-quality offensive attack. He was much better from an efficiency standpoint this season and will see a good amount of the ball during what could be a deep tourney run. While Newton is in the two-way mix at best at this point, his major role on last year's title team as well as this year's iteration of the Huskies will likely help when it comes to finding opportunities on the fringes of the NBA. -- Woo

47. Johni Broome | C | Auburn
6-10 | Age: 21.6 | Senior

When: No. 4 Auburn vs. No. 13 Yale | Friday | 4:15 p.m. ET | TNT

Broome is one of the most productive players in college basketball, a stout rim-protector who plays with impressive physicality while also showing offensive versatility. He does a good amount of shot creation for Auburn, has made 27 3s in 34 games this season, is powerful operating with his back to the basket, and is an excellent rebounder and a much-improved passer. Broome doesn't have great size, length or explosiveness for a center and has some questions to answer about his footspeed defensively and how his bully-ball style and unorthodox shooting mechanics translate to the NBA game. The NCAA tournament platform could help remind scouts how good of a season Broome is having and why his productivity might be worth betting on despite his aesthetically unique style of play. -- Givony

46. Isaiah Stevens | PG | Colorado St.
6-0 | Age: 23.3 | Senior

When: No. 10 Colorado State vs. No. 10 Virginia | Tuesday | 9:10 p.m. ET | truTV

While undersized and older for a point guard prospect, Stevens has become a rock-solid player over five years at Colorado State, relying on change of pace to attack defenders and making plays for teammates. His profile long term is likely capped due to his size and defensive limitations -- if he's going to stick, it's likely as a third point guard -- but he's the type of guard who can win a game or two in the NCAA tournament. -- Woo

45. RJ Davis | PG | North Carolina
6-0 | Age: 22.4 | Senior

When: No. 1 North Carolina vs. No. 16 Howard/No. 16 Wagner | Thursday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

The ACC Player of the Year and first-team All-American is one of the most prolific shot-makers in college basketball, draining 41% of his 3-pointers on nearly eight attempts per game. He hunts pull-up jumpers aggressively inside and outside the arc and has improved his ability to facilitate for teammates and keep turnovers to a minimum. Standing just 6-foot, Davis has an uphill battle defensively to hang on an NBA court and may be tempted to utilize his fifth year of college eligibility, as he'll surely have lucrative NIL offers. -- Givony

44. Jalen Bridges | SF | Baylor
6-8 | Age: 22.8 | Senior

When: No. 3 Baylor vs. No. 14 Colgate | Friday | 12:40 p.m. ET | truTV

Bridges combines above-average size for a wing with improved 3-point shooting (40.6% on 5.2 attempts), giving him the framework as a potential 3-and-D guy at the NBA level. While not much of a creator, he's settled into a good role at Baylor, where he knocks down shots but isn't overstretched as a scorer. While the pathway for him to stick is somewhat limited and he's not a defensive stopper by trade despite his length and tools, the things he does could easily translate if he continues developing and limiting mistakes. He'll likely be in the two-way contract mix, and a hot March could help. -- Woo

43. Kam Jones | SG | Marquette
6-4 | Age: 22.0 | Junior

When: No. 2 Marquette vs. No. 15 Western Kentucky | Friday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

Jones helped keep Marquette afloat with injured starting point guard Tyler Kolek out for three weeks, showing his shooting and scoring prowess while taking on significant usage and helping the Golden Eagles make the Big East tournament championship game. Jones' ability to make shots with his feet set and off the dribble is his calling card at the NBA level -- he hit 41% of his 3s this season. He's smart and competitive, giving him a chance to carve out a niche as a two-way candidate, but has another year of college eligibility at his disposal should he choose. -- Givony

42. Coleman Hawkins | PF | Illinois
6-10 | Age: 22.2 | Senior

When: No. 3 Illinois vs. No. 14 Morehead State | Thursday | 3:10 p.m. ET | truTV

Hawkins' versatility at his size has always made him intriguing from an NBA perspective, but he has never been the most consistent contributor, prone to floating through games and often leaving scouts wanting more. The Illini have leaned on him as the primary big in fast, perimeter-oriented lineups, a setup that's helped showcase what makes Hawkins a viable two-way contract candidate. Few bigs can space the floor (37% from 3), defend and move the way he does, which will likely earn him a chance to make a roster. The tournament could be an important opportunity for him to leave a good impression, but teams are familiar with his ups and downs by now, and finding ways to separate himself in the pre-draft process will be critical. -- Woo

41. Ryan Kalkbrenner | C | Creighton
7-2 | Age: 22.1 | Senior

When: No. 3 Creighton vs. No. 14 Akron | Thursday | 1:30 p.m. ET | TNT

A three-time Big East Defensive Player of the Year, Kalkbrenner's appeal is obvious at 7-2 with a 7-5 wingspan and 9-4 standing reach. He has outstanding timing and technique as a rim-protector, excelling as a drop defender, but also being capable of hedging and switching on the perimeter, too. He's begun to experiment with shooting 3-pointers more this season (14-for-51 in 32 games), but still lacks a degree of consistency there as well as physicality as a rebounder and post defender. Kalkbrenner has some attributes that will be attractive to NBA teams as a third-string center, likely on a two-way contract to start, but also has the option to return to Creighton for a fifth year, where a hefty NIL paycheck will likely await him. -- Givony

40. Dillon Mitchell | SF/PF | Texas
6-8 | Age: 20.4 | Sophomore

When: No. 7 Texas vs. No. 10 Colorado State/No. 10 Virginia | Thursday | 6:50 p.m. ET | TNT

Though Mitchell's star has dimmed a bit, his athletic gifts, particularly on the defensive end, have kept him in the picture as a draft project teams will consider investing. A high-flying, agile forward who can stay with smaller guards as well as bigger wings, Mitchell has the potential to be a switchable energy forward. He will have to flesh out his offensive skill set to find NBA minutes, but has made strides as a cutter and rebounder, which makes him an important player for a Longhorns team that primarily relies on ball-dominant guards to drive the offense. The more he can impact the game without needing touches, the better. If he can ever add a 3-point shot, it could go a long way. There's a case for him in the second round, but Mitchell will need more time, whether in college or the G League. -- Woo

39. Tyrese Proctor | PG | Duke
6-5 | Age: 19.9 | Sophomore

When: No. 4 Duke vs. No. 13 Vermont | Friday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

Proctor started the season as a projected lottery pick after an encouraging end to his freshman season, but he hasn't looked anywhere close to that for much of 2023-24. He's lacked aggressiveness turning the corner out of pick-and-rolls, has been inconsistent with his shooting, defense and decision-making and has generally looked like someone needing additional seasoning in college -- not the worst thing you can say about a 19-year-old. How Proctor's season finishes will likely play a big role in what the Australian decides to do next, as well as how he's viewed in NBA circles. -- Givony

38. Milan Momcilovic | SF/PF | Iowa St.
6-9 | Age: 19.4 | Freshman

When: No. 2 Iowa State vs. No. 15 South Dakota State | Thursday | 7:35 p.m. ET | truTV

Momcilovic's ability to shoot on the move at his size made him a surprise player of interest for NBA teams as a freshman. The rest of his game still needs fleshing out: He needs time to work on his body, become a more effective rebounder for his size and expand his offensive game before contributing in the pros. However, he's been a factor in Iowa State's surprisingly strong season and could wind up with a case to at least test the draft waters, particularly if he's able to turn some heads with hot shooting in the tournament. He's most likely a multiyear college prospect but should also be a popular candidate to leap as a sophomore. -- Woo

37. Jaxson Robinson | SG/SF | BYU
6-7 | Age: 22.4 | Senior

When: No. 6 BYU vs. No. 11 Duquesne | Thursday | 12:40 p.m. ET | truTV

Robinson had a scorching start, hitting 44% of his 3-pointers on 8.1 attempts in BYU's first 10 games, but he has made just 29% of his attempts in 22 games since. There are still things to like about the 6-7 wing with a lengthy wingspan and dynamic shot-making prowess, as he shows some real versatility with the way he gets into his jumper. But he is an inconsistent defender and decision-maker who doesn't quite make as many shots as you might hope. NBA teams will take a closer look at Robinson, but he's a very young senior who could return to BYU for his final year of eligibility. -- Givony

36. Reece Beekman | PG | Virginia
6-3 | Age: 22.4 | Senior

When: No. 10 Colorado State vs. No. 10 Virginia | Tuesday | 9:10 p.m. ET | truTV

One of the better defensive guards in the college game, Beekman was more efficient this season but has plateaued a bit offensively in college, which has kept him on the fringes of the draft conversation. He'll ultimately hang his hat on the defensive end if he's going to stick in the NBA, with strong instincts, quick hands and feet and decent length for his size. However, his jump shooting and playmaking acumen remain subpar for a potential backup point guard, issues he'll have to work through to find a niche. A hot game or two in the tourney won't change that element of his evaluation, and he may have to work through those challenges in the G League on a two-way contract. -- Woo

35. Kylan Boswell | PG | Arizona
6-2 | Age: 18.9 | Sophomore

When: No. 2 Arizona vs. No. 15 Long Beach State | Thursday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

Arizona's starting point guard brings a high level of defensive intensity on 39% from 3 this season. He's still coming into his own as a playmaker and decision-maker since Boswell is very inconsistent, which makes sense considering he's 18 years old. He rarely gets to the free throw line, and he's shooting 42% inside the arc this season. Barring something extraordinary happening in the next three weeks, Boswell has looked like a player who could surely benefit from another year in college. He's not blessed with elite skills and doesn't look particularly close to helping an NBA team. -- Givony

34. Trey Alexander | PG/SG | Creighton
6-4 | Age: 20.8 | Junior

When: No. 3 Creighton vs. No. 14 Akron | Thursday | 1:30 p.m. ET | TNT

Alexander plays a key scoring role for Creighton and certainly looks the part, with good length and fluid athleticism that helps compensate for his lack of foot speed. While not elite in any area, Alexander has been mostly effective, relying a little too much on his midrange game at times, but also putting together some impressive showings. He'll need to gain strength and expand his perimeter shooting (32% from 3, albeit on solid volume) to have a better chance of sticking in the pros long term, factors that could ultimately lead him to return to school if the pre-draft process doesn't work in his favor. -- Woo

33. Zvonimir Ivisic | PF/C | Kentucky
7-2 | Age: 20.6 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

Ivisic missed 18 games due to NCAA eligibility issues before finally being cleared in late January, putting him behind the eight ball on a deep Kentucky team that has three 7-footers. He's shown glimpses of what makes him interesting with his ability to protect the rim (4.9 blocks per 40 minutes) and stretch the floor (38% from 3), but also has had no shortage of inconsistent moments on both ends of the floor, reminding scouts why he gained little traction upon entering the NBA draft in each of the past two years. The next time Ivisic enters the draft (possibly this spring), he'll be unable to withdraw due to NBA rules, which makes for a tougher decision than most considering how inconsistent he's been this season. A signature performance or two in the NCAA tournament might sway the tide. -- Givony

32. Antonio Reeves | SG/SF | Kentucky
6-6 | Age: 23.3 | Senior

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

NBA scouts viewed Reeves as a fringe prospect last year. He's forced the issue this season in a big way, shooting 44% from 3 on 5.6 attempts per game, becoming an indispensable piece for Kentucky and leading the team in minutes. He's likely in the two-way contract mix at this point, with shooting always in high demand. The rest of his game is limited by NBA standards, but Reeves will have to make big shots while spacing the floor for the Wildcats to mount a run. He'll presumably earn a combine invite and have a chance to keep putting himself in the draft conversation. -- Woo

31. Jamal Shead | PG | Houston
6-1 | Age: 21.6 | Senior

When: No. 1 Houston vs. No. 16 Longwood | Friday | 9:20 p.m. ET | TNT

The Big 12 Player of the Year and first-team All-American emerged as arguably the best point guard in college basketball, leading Houston to a conference championship and No. 1 tournament seed. He's a whirlwind defender who plays with nonstop toughness and intensity and ranks as one of the best passers in this class, but has some questions regarding his lack of size and inconsistent perimeter shooting, which he can best alleviate with a deep NCAA tournament run showing off his leadership skills, intangibles and hopefully providing timely scoring for a Houston team built on its defense. -- Givony

30. Cam Spencer | SG | UConn
6-4 | Age: 23.9 | Senior

When: No. 1 Connecticut vs. No. 16 Stetson | Friday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

While Spencer wasn't on the team for UConn's 2023 title run, he figures to be one of the key players in a repeat chance, emerging after his transfer from Rutgers as one of the most competitive and toughest shot-makers in college basketball. He's continued to build a legitimate case as a second-round pick despite lacking NBA tools, with a viable complementary skill set driven by his passing ability and smarts that should allow him to keep defenses honest off the ball. Spencer likely isn't going to convince anyone he'll be a great defender in the long run, but he could very well be one of the top performers in the tournament. That type of platform on a title contender tends to be meaningful in the eyes of NBA scouts. -- Woo

29. PJ Hall | PF/C | Clemson
6-9 | Age: 22.0 | Senior

When: No. 6 Clemson vs. No. 11 New Mexico | Friday | 3:10 p.m. ET | truTV

Hall emerged as one of the ACC's best players and an All-American candidate as a senior, helping solidify his pro prospects after a strong showing at last year's NBA combine. Hall's ability to stretch the floor, score with his back to the basket and bring physicality and intensity has endeared him to scouts despite not being a great rebounder or defender. Hall started the season with a bang, but came down to earth somewhat, especially as a shooter, so finding a way to finish strong would be helpful going into the pre-draft process. -- Givony

28. DaRon Holmes II | PF/C | Dayton
6-10 | Age: 21.5 | Junior

When: No. 7 Dayton vs. No. 10 Nevada | Thursday | 4:30 p.m. ET | TBS

Holmes' bruising productivity has lent itself to a strong college career at Dayton, as a strong, high-energy interior scorer. How that style translates to the NBA game is a fair question, as he's not an elite athlete or skills guy, doesn't space the floor consistently and lacks an obvious role off the bench. The tournament can be a useful platform for him if the Flyers can string together wins with a potential matchup against Arizona's big frontline awaiting in the second round. -- Woo

27. Alex Karaban | PF | UConn
6-6 | Age: 21.3 | Sophomore

When: No. 1 Connecticut vs. No. 16 Stetson | Friday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

Karaban plays an underrated role for the No. 1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament, despite not even making the All-Big East honorable mention team. He shoots 40% from 3, is an essential cog in their No. 1 rated offense with his intelligent passing and cutting, never turns the ball over and makes more plays defensively than you'd think due to his timing and activity -- giving him intriguing role-playing versatility at 6-8. Not blessed with much speed, explosiveness, or the best frame, Karaban's physical skills won't jump off the page for NBA teams, which is why winning and producing are his best tickets to emerging as an attractive prospect, something he's done quite a bit of the past two seasons at UConn. -- Givony

26. Harrison Ingram | SF/PF | North Carolina
6-7 | Age: 21.3 | Junior

When: No. 1 North Carolina vs. No. 16 Howard/No. 16 Wagner | Thursday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

After transferring from Stanford, Ingram improved his frame and became an essential piece for North Carolina, contributing in a wide range of areas as a rebounder, scorer and defender. While somewhat of a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none by nature, Ingram's versatility at both forward spots and improved perimeter shooting (37% from 3) gives him a solid chance to carve out an NBA role. The Tar Heels aren't particularly deep in the frontcourt and rely heavily on him as a steadying force, putting him in position to be one of the faces of a potential Final Four run and state his case as a draftable prospect and useful two-way contributor. -- Woo

25. Ugonna Onyenso | C | Kentucky
7-0 | Age: 19.4 | Sophomore

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

Onyenso ranks last by a wide margin in usage among Kentucky's 10 rotation players, but could prove to be their most important player in the NCAA tournament due to his defensive impact. He's the top shot-blocker in the field at 5.7 blocks per 40 minutes, which plays an outsized importance on a team that has struggled to get stops. Onyenso is extremely limited offensively, not the rebounder you might expect relative to his skills and can be pretty mistake-prone -- even defensively at times -- which is why he's fairly polarizing among NBA teams. There's no better platform to show how his timing, length, mobility and quickness getting off the ground can impact winning, so finishing the season on a strong note could give him strong momentum going into the pre-draft process. -- Givony

24. Baylor Scheierman | SG/SF | Creighton
6-7 | Age: 23.4 | Senior

When: No. 3 Creighton vs. No. 14 Akron | Thursday | 1:30 p.m. ET | TNT

Scheierman made strides in his final college season, improving his frame as well as his production and showcasing a good range of skills at his size. He can create offense when needed, is a good passer, can rebound well and has enough size defensively to help cover for average athleticism. That type of perimeter skill set tends to be in high demand in the NBA, putting him in the mix for this draft despite being one of the older eligible prospects. Creighton needs its trio of Scheierman, Trey Alexander and Ryan Kalkbrenner playing well to make a run. (The same group led an Elite Eight trip last year.) All three players stand to gain from added March exposure, currently projected in the second round/two-way contract range. -- Woo

23. KJ Simpson | PG | Colorado
6-2 | Age: 21.6 | Junior

When: No. 10 Colorado vs. No. 10 Boise State | Wednesday | 9:10 p.m. ET | truTV

Simpson is one of college basketball's most improved players, making a huge jump with his perimeter shooting (45% from 3) and playmaking ability, turning himself into a Pac-12 player of the year and All-America candidate while emerging as a serious NBA draft prospect. He was instrumental in Colorado's eight-game winning streak that eventually earned the Buffaloes an NCAA tournament berth and will likely need to continue that momentum against Boise State for his team to have any chance of advancing into the Round of 64. NBA teams have questions about Simpson's lack of size, length and strength that he won't be able to answer during the NCAA tournament, so showing he can be productive in every setting he competes in despite his average physical tools is his best bet to help win scouts over. -- Givony

22. Pelle Larsson | SG | Arizona
6-6 | Age: 23.0 | Senior

When: No. 2 Arizona vs. No. 15 Long Beach State | Thursday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

While Larsson's scoring has dipped a bit of late, he remains a critical stabilizing factor for Arizona, functioning as a secondary playmaker, floor spacer, defender and tone-setter for the Wildcats. When Larsson is aggressive and making positive decisions with the ball, it's a massive help for a backcourt that can otherwise be far too reliant on Caleb Love's scoring. Stepping up when the moment calls for it would certainly help to solidify Larsson's draft standing. His positional size and feel create a pretty solid floor, but his offensive consistency ultimately has to improve. -- Woo

21. Oso Ighodaro | PF/C | Marquette
6-11 | Age: 21.6 | Senior

When: No. 2 Marquette vs. No. 15 Western Kentucky | Friday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

Ighodaro had a productive season for Marquette, earning All-Big East second-team honors, but didn't quite make the jump scouts hoped to solidify himself as a first-round prospect. Ighodaro's defensive versatility and passing give him a solid foundation to build off, but his poor rebounding, lack of shooting range, and reliance on unorthodox free throw line floaters likely make him a somewhat situational fit positionally for many NBA teams. He did an admirable job of stepping into the void left by Tyler Kolek's absence the past few weeks, but appeared to be dealing with his own knee injury late in the Big East championship, which is something to monitor. -- Givony

20. Keshad Johnson | PF | Arizona

6-7 | Age: 22.7 | Senior

When: No. 2 Arizona vs. No. 15 Long Beach State | Thursday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

Johnson has been an impactful transfer since arriving at Arizona from San Diego State, where he played a role on last year's Aztecs team that lost to UConn in the final. A versatile, physical defender in the frontcourt, Johnson gives the Wildcats some matchup versatility and has chipped in on offense with his energy. NBA scouts have mixed opinions surrounding his upside, due to his age and his limitations as a scorer, though he has shot the ball acceptably from 3 this season. Everyone knows what to expect from Johnson at this point, and if he can contribute to another Final Four run, his winning credentials should help in his pursuit of a guaranteed NBA deal. -- Woo

19. D.J. Wagner | PG/SG | Kentucky
6-3 | Age: 18.8 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

A top-10 recruit coming out of high school, Wagner has struggled with the weight of expectations as well as the fact that Kentucky has been better with backups -- Reed Sheppard and Rob Dillingham. Kentucky is just plus-five in Wagner's 731 minutes this season, and plus-342 and plus-228 with Sheppard and Dillingham respectively, a huge disparity that coach John Calipari is surely aware of going into his team's most important games of the season. Wagner has flashed intriguing shot-creation prowess and scoring instincts, but his inconsistent decision-making, finishing and perimeter shooting will be put under the microscope in tight games as scouts weigh what to do with the 18-year-old's body of work. How he finishes will likely go a long way in helping determine his candidacy as a first-round prospect. -- Givony

18. Terrence Shannon Jr. | SG/SF | Illinois
6-7 | Age: 23.6 | Senior

When: No. 3 Illinois vs. No. 14 Morehead State | Thursday | 3:10 p.m. ET | truTV

After opting to return to college, Shannon put together the best season of his five-year college career, helping lead Illinois to a Big Ten tournament title with 102 points in three games. The athletic swingman is playing his best basketball at the right time, and while he doesn't project as much of a creator at the NBA level, his ability to play in transition and attack the rim in space makes him a tough cover in college. The biggest questions for Shannon moving forward are off the court: while a judge overruled a school-instated suspension, allowing him to return to the court, Shannon is facing rape charges in Kansas following an alleged offseason incident. NBA teams will investigate the situation, the outcome of which will play a major role in whether he's drafted and how high. -- Woo

17. Tyler Kolek | PG | Marquette
6-3 | Age: 22.9 | Senior

When: No. 2 Marquette vs. No. 15 Western Kentucky | Friday | 2 p.m. ET | TBS

Kolek has been out since late February due to an oblique injury, though he's expected to return on Friday. The best pick-and-roll playmaker in college basketball, Kolek's ballhandling, pace, creativity, and perimeter shooting give him a tailor-made role as a backup point guard in the NBA. Scouts have likely seen enough of him this season to know what he looks like at full strength, but it will be interesting to see how he's moving, defending and operating inside the paint in what could very well be the final games of his college career. -- Givony

16. Johnny Furphy | SG/SF | Kansas
6-9 | Age: 19.2 | Freshman

When: No. 4 Kansas vs. No. 13 Samford | Thursday | 9:55 p.m. ET | TBS

Following a mini-breakout in January and February, some of Furphy's limitations have been on display of late as Kansas has been without the injured Kevin McCullar Jr. and Hunter Dickinson. Furphy plays with energy on the wing, can catch and shoot pretty capably, and has good size for his position, but struggles at this stage of his career to create shots for himself, and profiles as a low-usage complementary player for the foreseeable future. He has work to do on the defensive end, where he's been a touch inconsistent while getting his sea legs at the college level. This draft class is uncertain enough that there's a case for Furphy to enter, but his decision isn't clear-cut yet. With the Jayhawks looking undermanned, they'll need Furphy at his best to make it out of the first weekend after blowout losses to Houston and Cincinnati. -- Woo

15. Ryan Dunn | SF/PF | Virginia
6-8 | Age: 21.1 | Sophomore

When: No. 10 Colorado State vs. No. 10 Virginia | Tuesday | 9:10 p.m. ET | truTV

Dunn and UVA sneaked in the First Four after a poor end to the season, relegating them to Dayton where they'll try to win their first NCAA tournament game since the national championship game in 2019. Dunn is the best defender in college basketball but has only scored in double figures once in his past 13 games, leaving serious questions among scouts about whether he has enough of an offensive game to stay on the court in today's hyper-scoring NBA. His jumper is a particular concern, as he's shooting 21% for 3 and 53% from the free throw line while posting more turnovers than assists. It's unlikely Dunn can do much to alleviate those concerns right now, so showing some glimpses of hope in that department during the pre-draft process is likely the surest way for Dunn to shore up his standing as a first-round pick. -- Givony

14. Tristan da Silva | SF/PF | Colorado
6-9 | Age: 22.8 | Senior

When: No. Colorado vs. No. 10 Boise State | Wednesday | 9:10 p.m. ET | truTV

Da Silva played quite well in the Pac-12 tournament, helping Colorado sneak into the NCAA tourney with wins over Utah and Washington State and showcasing his growth as a jump shooter. His size and mobility make him a potential schematic asset in the NBA on the defensive end, where he can switch on the perimeter capably. He's a knowledgeable offensive player and has become quite reliable, appealing to teams as a potential plug-and-play draft pick who can contribute off the bench. While not the most physical or strongest player, da Silva checks plenty of boxes as a long-term pro and potential back end first-rounder. -- Woo

13. Justin Edwards | SG/SF | Kentucky
6-7 | Age: 20.2 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

Edwards started the season as a projected top-10 pick, but saw his stock crater amid poor play in the first three months of Kentucky's campaign. Since February, Edwards has rebounded in a major way, shooting 47% for 3 and looking like the game has slowed down for him. It will be interesting to see what version we will get this weekend after a lackluster performance in the SEC tournament. Edwards' ballhandling, defense and overall feel for the game are still concerns, and he doesn't have extreme youth to fall back on like many freshmen (he turned 20 in December), so finding a way to finish the season on a positive note will be important to build momentum going into the pre-draft process. -- Givony

12. Jared McCain | PG | Duke
6-3 | Age: 20.0 | Freshman

When: No. 4 Duke vs. No. 13 Vermont | Friday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

McCain emerged as Duke's best guard throughout the season and faces a major task as a true freshman navigating the NCAA tournament. A quality shooter who can play on and off the ball, McCain still has questions, particularly on the defensive end, and can prove his mettle a bit with good showings under the March spotlight. The Blue Devils enter the tourney having dropped two games in a row and have very little in the way of depth with guard Caleb Foster injured, so McCain figures to be thrown into the figurative deep end as Jon Scheyer looks to reach the tournament's second weekend for the first time as coach. McCain's one-and-done case could be helped or hindered by what happens. -- Woo

11. Kevin McCullar Jr. | SF | Kansas
6-7 | Age: 23.0 | Senior

When: No. 4 Kansas vs. No. 13 Samford | Thursday | 9:55 p.m. ET | TBS

McCullar was ruled out for the duration of the NCAA tournament due to a bone bruise in his knee that has hampered him for the better part of the past two months, Kansas coach Bill Self announced Tuesday, a significant blow for the Jayhawks' chances. McCullar was playing at an All-American level before getting hurt in late January, shooting 3s as well as he ever has while providing outstanding versatility as a passer and defender. He was clearly not the same player while being shuffled in and out of the lineup in February and March while barely practicing. It will be interesting to see how NBA scouts view the context of McCullar's overall season considering his struggles in Big 12 play, and how much on-court activity he'll be able to conduct in the pre-draft process as he recoveries from injury. -- Givony

10. Yves Missi | C | Baylor
6-11 | Age: 19.8 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Baylor vs. No. 14 Colgate | Friday | 12:40 p.m. ET | truTV

Missi enjoyed a solid freshman season that helped establish him as a potential first-round pick, playing an important role for a Baylor team where six different players average double figures. While still very much a long-term project, Missi's physical skills, powerful dunks and flashes of shot-blocking portend NBA upside. However, he can also be very mistake-prone, leaving points on the table at times on offense, and struggling a bit with defensive awareness. The matchup-driven nature of the NCAA tournament will put him under an interesting microscope, particularly if a methodical, system-driven team such as Colgate can slow the game and give Baylor problems. Missi could be part of the solution for the Bears, or part of the reason they exit. -- Woo

9. Stephon Castle | PG/SG | UConn
6-6 | Age: 19.3 | Freshman

When: No. 1 Connecticut vs. No. 16 Stetson | Friday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

Castle is one of the most polarizing prospects in this class and his lukewarm showing in the Big East tournament last weekend did not help alleviate concerns about his struggles against high-level competition. Castle passes the eye test at first glance and is an excellent defender, but he has had a difficulty scoring efficiently against the better teams UConn has faced, shooting 43.5% for 2 and 26% for 3 with a high turnover rate in 16 games against top-50 opponents, per Bart Torvik. Teams hoping to consider him in the lottery will want to see him make a bigger impact with the significant platform he'll have on the No. 1-seeded team in the NCAA tournament. -- Givony

8. Zach Edey | C | Purdue
7-4 | Age: 21.8 | Senior

When: No. 1 Purdue vs. No. 16 Grambling/Montana State | Friday | 7:25 p.m. ET | TBS

There's little argument that the 7-4 Edey is college basketball's most dominant player. He's in line to win back-to-back Wooden Awards, having led Purdue to another No. 1 seed. The Boilermakers have Final Four expectations, but he will first have to overcome the specter of last year's shocking first-round loss to No. 16 seed Fairleigh Dickinson. The odds are Edey is up for the challenge, as scouts have seen him come out of his shell even more as a competitor this season, with his size, motor, rebounding ability and good touch around the basket, creating unique problems for opponents. While still an acquired taste for some -- his defensive concerns as a slower-footed big are legitimate -- he's established himself as a lottery candidate at this point and has little left to prove. Anchoring a deep March run and helping shake the stigma around his team in the tournament would be the cherry on top. -- Woo

7. Kyle Filipowski | PF/C | Duke
7-0 | Age: 20.3 | Sophomore

When: No. 4 Duke vs. No. 13 Vermont | Friday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

For Duke to mount a run into the second weekend of the tournament, Filipowski will have to be at his best, as much of what the Blue Devils run goes through him. While extremely productive due to the massive role he plays, he's been a mixed bag this season, demonstrating important individual growth defensively, but still leaving something to be desired with his consistency and toughness. There aren't a lot of college players who can match Filipowski's skill level at his size, making him a potential tourney star. A series of good performances would help remind teams of what he can do, particularly if he can hit shots from outside the arc (35% from 3) and protect the basket (2.0 blocks per 40) at better clips. -- Woo

6. Cody Williams | SG/SF | Colorado
6-8 | Age: 19.3 | Freshman

When: No. Colorado vs. No. 10 Boise State | Wednesday | 9:10 p.m. ET | truTV

Williams' individual play has tapered off in recent weeks, and he's also dealt with minor injuries, slowing to some extent his momentum as a lottery pick. He projects as a plus defender, and there's a lot to like about his size, feel and room to develop as a big playmaker, but he's still a ways from impacting the game at the NBA level. Since his return from injury on March 14, Williams has been coming off the bench as the sixth man for a Colorado team that will have to win its First Four game versus Boise State on Wednesday night. While not a focal point on the Buffaloes, whatever contributions Williams can make could help to stabilize his stock. Some teams are still bullish on his upside while others are concerned with his dovetailing play and the leap he'll need to make as a ball handler and shooter to have long-term success. The tourney is a big platform for him to assuage some of that, although it may be a tall order considering his somewhat limited offensive role. -- Woo

5. Ja'Kobe Walter | SG/SF | Baylor
6-5 | Age: 19.5 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Baylor vs. No. 14 Colgate | Friday | 12:40 p.m. ET | truTV

Walter looked like one of the best freshman shooters in the country in the first two months of the season, hitting 3s in dynamic fashion running off screens and pulling up off the dribble. However, he has struggled to score efficiently in conference play -- shooting 37% for 2 and 30% for 3 over his past 20 Big 12 games. With more turnovers than assists, it's led to some questions regarding how he impacts the game on nights his jumper isn't falling, as his defense has also been inconsistent. Baylor's high-powered offense needs Walter to rediscover his scoring touch to advance in the NCAA tournament, and scouts will be hoping to be reminded of why Walter was viewed as a potential top-five pick earlier in the season, something that looks to be in serious doubt. -- Givony

4. Dalton Knecht | SF | Tennessee
6-6 | Age: 22.9 | Senior

When: No. 2 Tennessee vs. No. 15 Saint Peter's | Thursday | 9:20 p.m. ET | TNT

Knecht says Vols plan to 'go put on a show for the world'Dalton Knecht describes his excitement for his first March Madness experience and explains how Tennessee will be using its SEC tourney loss as fuel during the postseason.
Knecht emerged as Tennessee's go-to scorer after transferring from Northern Colorado, putting himself on the map as a first-round pick while carrying the Volunteers. He was not on the radar this time a year ago but legitimized himself with three-level scoring instincts and the ability to shoot off screens as well as off the bounce. His ability to efficiently shoulder a heavy volume has made him one of the most dangerous players in the country. On the defensive end, Knecht is often targeted by opponents due to his below-average awareness and slow foot speed, something NBA scouts have scrutinized and a trend that should continue in high-level tournament games. For as much as he has the ball, Knecht also isn't a great playmaker (2.3 assists per 40). If opposing teams can slow him down, the Volunteers can be vulnerable due to the lack of quality shooting around him, something we saw happen against Mississippi State in the SEC tournament. The tourney is a big platform for Knecht to make a statement. -- Woo

3. Donovan Clingan | C | UConn
7-2 | Age: 20.0 | Sophomore

When: No. 1 Connecticut vs. No. 16 Stetson | Friday | 2:45 p.m. ET | CBS

Clingan battled injuries to start the season but has played some of his best basketball in March, especially when he has been able to stay out of foul trouble. He's the most impactful defensive big man in college basketball, putting a lid on the rim with his 7-foot-7 wingspan and tremendous timing as a shot-blocker. He also plays a significant role for the nation's top-ranked offense, as UConn runs many of its half-court sets through him in the low, mid or high post. He sets bruising screens, can facilitate out of dribble handoffs and finishes skillfully with polished footwork using both hands around the basket. However, Clingan doesn't always play above the rim as frequently as scouts might hope and has some questions he has to answer long term regarding his ability to defend in space. Clingan had some excellent moments in last year's NCAA tournament and will have a huge platform to continue to make his case as a potential top-five pick if he can help UConn make another deep run. -- Givony

2. Reed Sheppard | PG/SG | Kentucky
6-2 | Age: 19.7 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

Reed Sheppard hits the trey vs. Texas A&M AggiesReed Sheppard hits the trey vs. Texas A&M Aggies
Sheppard has wowed NBA scouts all season with his shooting prowess, playmaking acumen, defensive instincts, productivity and never-ending poise and confidence. No one thought of him as a one-and-done candidate entering college, but he's continued to state his case as the best freshman in college basketball, winning over skeptics who express concern about his limited physical skills. While exceptionally efficient, Sheppard has one of the lowest usage rates of any player projected to be drafted. Scouts will want to see Sheppard continue to be aggressive seeking out opportunities to create offense for himself and others, while holding his own as a one-on-one defender. -- Givony

1. Rob Dillingham | PG | Kentucky
6-2 | Age: 19.2 | Freshman

When: No. 3 Kentucky vs. No. 14 Oakland | Thursday | 7:10 p.m. ET | CBS

Dillingham is the type of explosive, dynamic guard capable of lighting up an NCAA tournament game. His scoring instincts and sheer star power give him a huge platform to state his case as a potential No. 1 pick if Kentucky can make the Final Four. He gets anywhere he wants on the floor with his electric ballhandling and change of pace, has unlimited confidence pulling up off the dribble and is a creative passer and finisher with a huge amount of swagger who won't shy away from pressure-packed situations. Scouts will be watching to see how he handles physicality on both ends of the floor and if he can find a way to make good decisions and not be a liability defensively, as has been the case in some games this season. -- Givon

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Ghost of Kleine · Post #87 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:54 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:.

So lets talk about our first round pick. Not sure if you've talked about it much, but obviously that is the biggest potential to inject something new into our rotation.

From Tankathon, I will post their Big Board, then mock, then their projected pick. In the mock, the 3 Cs who go between 13-17 right before us look interesting, especially Donovan Clingan, who looks like a defensive monster with size, blocking a lot of shots, rebounding, etc. He also is playing for UConn, one of the best teams in the country, and one who many pick to win it all in the tourney. We should get at least 4-5 games from him in the next few weeks.

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Our projected pick, a 6'8 SF who is a great defender who can get a ton of blocks, is a great rebounder, etc...only problem is he can't shoot 3s. But he could be a great 5th starter in a small ball lineup with Beal, Book, Allen, Dunn, KD, or just a great rotation guy to beef up the defense.....come in when the first guy sits:
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I've talked about our pick a little bit here and there man! But mostly mentioned prospects lists (so far) for what might be available in the late 2nd - undrafted range for us with interest to our financial situation. But for my part, I still have us finishing with a 46- 36 record, basically a 1st round exit to maybe a 2nd round upset as the very best outcome if we can upset our 1st round matchup somehow?? With that outcome, I DO have us landing in the 21-24 range (barring our luck finally running out in terms of injury to Durant or Booker or even Nurkic somehow). And I do love Clingan, BUT honestly I don't think there's anyway whatsoever that he'd fall past the The Heat at 15, and quite honestly strongly believe that the Thunder may likely take him at #11. Or very close in that range of where their pick (from the rockets)ultimately lands. I just really think they'd draft him to play Holmgren at the 4 and let Clingan actually body up against the bigger more physical 5s.

As for Dunn, I'd love to have him anchor our perimter defense even though his shooting is almost non existent! And I actually do think there's a solid chance he could fall to us because of his current offensive limitations. I think only maybe Miami (at #15) or Orlando (at #21) pose a big risk to him reaching our range. I agree with you that he'd be a great 5th starter though as a potential defensive catalyst/ defensive playmaker for us in specific matchups or off the bench. I do also believe he'd be an amazing compliment playing next to Allen IF we were to move him to the bench. In a starter role though, I'd likely move Allen to the bench for added bench scoring/leadership. Maybe even have O'neale and Grayson off the bench, and run a starting lineup of:

Starters
Beal/Booker/Dunn/Durant/Nurkic.
(I only suggest this to give our lineup more size and significant frontcourt defensive upgrade to allow us to more comfortably extend our defenders outside of the paint towards the three). 6'5, 6'7, 6'9, 7 ft, 6'11. It'd also significantly upgrade our bench with better size, quality depth, scoring/defense, two way versatility/ rim protection- (Comche).

Bench
Draft/ Allen/ O'neale/ Bol/ Comche.
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I think that these lineups would offer a big improvement even in spite of our current lack of assets and financial futility. As for the 3 centers that you have (from Tankathon) in the 13-17 range, Clingan, Filipowski,Missi, I'd tier them like this:
Clingan/ Missi/ Filipowski. But honestly would probably take Dunn in that range even over a center option as I've identified numerous equitable quality center options that will be available in the very late 2nd to undrafted range so that we could use that pick on Dunn for his ELITE DEFENSIVE PLAYMAKING VERSATILITY which we desperately need more of on the perimeter and roaming the passing lanes/cutting similar to what Bridges provided defensively. I may keep beating the Ulriche Comche drum though man because of his elite potential two way versatility, ability to switch and play at EITHER the 4 or the 5, and his elite LEGIT 3 & D Big man skillset. Are you at all familiar with him yet? I reasonably see his skillset/talent/versatility as a mix of Al Horford/ Serge Ibaka.
Even as a young prospect, his advance stats/efficiency, etc are very, very impressive already.

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/nba-draft-2024-the-mystery-of-ulrich-chomche

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Chomche played three games played in the Basketball Africa League qualifiers in which he averaged 13 points, nine rebounds, three assists, three blocks and one steal per game while shooting 42.4% from the field, 38.1% from three and 75% from the free-throw line. What stands out about the stats is that he averages three blocks while shooting nearly 40% from three which indicates he has legit 3-and-D potential.

At 6-foot-11 with a 7-foot-4 wingspan he possesses elite physical tools for a forward. The physically gifted prospect also has great mobility and is very explosive making him one of the best all-around athletes in this year’s draft. With the athletic and physical tools he’s gifted it helps him make a significant impact on both ends of the floor and it will allow him to keep up with all the other NBA players in the athletic department. Chomche’s ceiling as a defender is extremely high. He’s a versatile defender that has the mobility and tools to defend smaller players out on the perimeter throughout short spurts of a possession. Having a big that can be somewhat switchable late in shot clocks is awesome to have and all 30 NBA teams would love to have that on their roster. As a shot-blocker he shows great timing, vertical pop and utilization of his length to alter a ton of shots inside the painted area.

Offensively there are still some noticeable holes in his game and some areas he needs to polish up but the flashes are really, really impressive. As a finisher he uses all 6-foot-11 of him to finish efficiently. He’s a legit lob threat due to his wide catch radius, explosiveness and impressive vertical pop. At his size he has impressive shooting ability on great volume from three. In the three games he played he attempted 21 3-pointers and converted on 38.1% of them.

The stretch big potential is evident and he has a chance to be the best shooting big in this draft that is 6-foot-11 or taller. What really makes him so enticing on the offensive end is the playmaking flashes he has shown in the half-court. He shows the ability to be a good perimeter decision-maker with some legit passing creativity. Chomche has really intriguing passing upside which could separate him from a ton of other big men in this year’s draft.

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Ideally my top preference would be for us to somehow end up high enough to secure value to trade back in this draft.Then pick up Comche to back up Nurkic, and maybe even play some spot minutes beside of Nurkic situationally? (maybe even play Bol at the 3 for an enormous frontcourt lineup? and also maybe pick up an additional pick (2nd) to use on a backup guard option maybe one of Ajay Mitchell whose very similar to tyus Jones in many regards. Or Cam Spencer who's very similar to Reed Sheppard (a budget version), Or IF we'd prefer a two way wing with high end impact and versatility, Nique Clifford (Colorado) who's pretty similar to a young Mikal bridges in terms of versatility/impact/potential.

Lastly, I'd switch out Eubanks with an extremely underrated versatile 4/5 like Drew Pember or maybe Yaxel Lendeborg (UAB) or Quinton Post (Boston) who's a skilled 4/5 budget version of Poetl. Or Joel Soriano (St Johns) that's a 6'11 265 lbs Double/Double machine, is very physicaland strong, but still versatile 4/5 who plays bully ball and is a mix of Kurt Thomas/ Boogie Cousins in terms of physicality, dominance (using size/girth, and has a 15.1 Offensive rebounding percentage.
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/no-stone-unturned-2023-the-big-men

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Post #88 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:28 am

I think what we really need is a C. A defensive player at any position that can also hit 3s would be nice. I'm not as worried about a PG as many, though we could use one. I think we more need players at positions that can have more of an impact defensively.

I don't see us wanting to keep Nurk long term after this contract. He does a lot of great things, but we really need a big defensive presence in the middle the way our roster is built. A great defender, rebounder and if he could hit 3s that would be great...also with great finishing.

I really really like Bol though. I think he should watch a lot of Wemby, Sengun and Gobert. If he can take pieces from their games, it would be nice. I think he's a little like Chet, without as much impact shot blocking, which he should have.

sunsbum · Post #89 » by **sunsbum** » Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:18 pm

I like kolek, reminds me of a twitchy goran dragic.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #90 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Mar 22, 2024 12:50 am

bwgood77 wrote:I think what we really need is a C. A defensive player at any position that can also hit 3s would be nice. I'm not as worried about a PG as many, though we could use one. I think we more need players at positions that can have more of an impact defensively.

I don't see us wanting to keep Nurk long term after this contract. He does a lot of great things, but we really need a big defensive presence in the middle the way our roster is built. A great defender, rebounder and if he could hit 3s that would be great...also with great finishing.

I really really like Bol though. I think he should watch a lot of Wemby, Sengun and Gobert. If he can take pieces from their games, it would be nice. I think he's a little like Chet, without as much impact shot blocking, which he should have.

Excellent points man! And I do fully agree with all that you're saying too. Adding O'neale and having Okogie come back will definitely help somewhat more with our perimeter defense. Although, I'm not overtly excited with either players overall lack of elite size/ athleticism for their roles. But their both solid for their roles for what we can currently afford.

I am quite fond of Dunn ( in spite) of his lack of offensive floor spacing because you're very right that we desperately need a defensive connector/ playmaker. I will say that it isn't too much of a big deal if Dunn wasn't our pick in our range because again, I have identified a number of really solid two way wings.

We'd still end up having an A+ night if we landed Comche for our shot blocking floor spacing power forward-center ( 4/5) backup option. And then Nique' Clifford from the late 2nd to undrafted pool as Clifford has a lot of similar attributes to Bridges, although slightly smaller at 6'6. Or go bigger with Jamir Watkins that is around 6'8 and is vertically explosive. physical, and has secondary playmaking/ guard skills.

Point guard is not too.much of a critical issue Although still important objectively, I'd lean more towards a strong defensive compliment. And if outside of the draft and from the undrafted pool, you won't find much better than Ian Martinez

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jamir-watkins-is-doing-everything

Spoiler:

But the reason that I like Ulriche Comche is because he has basically everything that you mentioned in his toolbox for a 4/5 young center already. AND he could play either the 4 or the 5 given his very impressive versatility. I mean he's shooting 38% from three and averaging around 3 blocks. It doesn't get much more 3 & D than that! And you could also look at any of:
Quinton Post, Drew Pember, Joel Soriano, Danny Wolf, etc that have the 3 & D type complimentary skillset that you mentioned as well. Just not as nearly high of a ceiling or advanced versatility that Comche already posesses now at such an early age.

Post #91 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:08 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I think what we really need is a C. A defensive player at any position that can also hit 3s would be nice. I'm not as worried about a PG as many, though we could use one. I think we more need players at positions that can have more of an impact defensively.

I don't see us wanting to keep Nurk long term after this contract. He does a lot of great things, but we really need a big defensive presence in the middle the way our roster is built. A great defender, rebounder and if he could hit 3s that would be great...also with great finishing.

I really really like Bol though. I think he should watch a lot of Wemby, Sengun and Gobert. If he can take pieces from their games, it would be nice. I think he's a little like Chet, without as much impact shot blocking, which he should have.

Excellent points man! And I do fully agree with all that you're saying too. Adding O'neale and having Okogie come back will definitely help somewhat more with our perimeter defense. Although, I'm not overtly excited with either players overall lack of elite size/ athleticism for their roles. But their both solid for their roles for what we can currently afford.

I am quite fond of Dunn ( in spite) of his lack of offensive floor spacing because you're very right that we desperately need a defensive connector/ playmaker. I will say that it isn't too much of a big deal if Dunn wasn't our pick in our range because again, I have identified a number of really solid two way wings.

We'd still end up having an A+ night if we landed Comche for our shot blocking floor spacing power forward-center ( 4/5) backup option. And then Nique' Clifford from the late 2nd to undrafted pool as Clifford has a lot of similar attributes to Bridges, although slightly smaller at 6'6. Or go bigger with Jamir Watkins that is around 6'8 and is vertically explosive. physical, and has secondary playmaking/ guard skills.

Point guard is not too.much of a critical issue. Although still important. I'd lean more towards a strong defensive compliment. And if outside of the draft and from the undrafted pool, you won't find much better than Ian Martinez

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jamir-watkins-is-doing-everything
Spoiler:
Two guards absolutely cooked for the Aggies—Ian Martinez and Darius Brown II. Martinez is a 6’3” senior who just transferred in from Maryland but has found his footing. He’s a nice complementary guy who can shoot from deep, cut well, and has great touch inside. He’s been pesky on defense, too, with three steals and a block in this game. His 3.9 BLK% on the year is a ridiculous number for a guard. He’ll need to show more scoring and playmaking punch to get into the NBA mix.0

But the reason that I like Ulriche Comche is because he has basically everything that you mentioned in his toolbox for a 4/5 young center already. AND he could play either the 4 or the 5 given his very impressive versatility. I mean he's shooting 38% from three and averaging around 3 blocks. It doesn't get much more 3 & D than that! And you could also look at any of:
Quinton Post, Drew Pember, Joel Soriano, Danny Wolf, etc that have the 3 & D type complimentary skillset that you mentioned as well. Just not as nearly high of a ceiling or advanced versatility that Comche already posesses now at such an early age.

Kind of a weird player looking at his #s. He is 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, but shoots 42.4% overall on 11 shots per game. However, he takes 7 3s a game and shoots a little over 38%. So that probably means he's a little over 50% from 2...or around there. He does average a lot of blocks, but his turnovers are crazy. He averages 5 a game or 6 per 36.

I think perimeter D is important but I think having a defensive presense, rim protector, and a guy that can cover a lot of ground quickly with length...basically protecting all of the paint, is important. I don't know that it is super important the C shoot 3s. I like when they can. Brook Lopez would be perfect because he spreads the floor but also contests more shots than any other player in the NBA by far...so he is a great rim protector.

Do you really like Chomche better than DaRon Holmes? Look at the differrence:

Ghost of Kleine · Post #92 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Mar 22, 2024 4:56 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I think what we really need is a C. A defensive player at any position that can also hit 3s would be nice. I'm not as worried about a PG as many, though we could use one. I think we more need players at positions that can have more of an impact defensively.

I don't see us wanting to keep Nurk long term after this contract. He does a lot of great things, but we really need a big defensive presence in the middle the way our roster is built. A great defender, rebounder and if he could hit 3s that would be great...also with great finishing.

I really really like Bol though. I think he should watch a lot of Wemby, Sengun and Gobert. If he can take pieces from their games, it would be nice. I think he's a little like Chet, without as much impact shot blocking, which he should have.

Excellent points man! And I do fully agree with all that you're saying too. Adding O'neale and having Okogie come back will definitely help somewhat more with our perimeter defense. Although, I'm not overtly excited with either players overall lack of elite size/ athleticism for their roles. But their both solid for their roles for what we can currently afford.

I am quite fond of Dunn ( in spite) of his lack of offensive floor spacing because you're very right that we desperately need a defensive connector/ playmaker. I will say that it isn't too much of a big deal if Dunn wasn't our pick in our range because again, I have identified a number of really solid two way wings.

We'd still end up having an A+ night if we landed Comche for our shot blocking floor spacing power forward-center ( 4/5) backup option. And then Nique' Clifford from the late 2nd to undrafted pool as Clifford has a lot of similar attributes to Bridges, although slightly smaller at 6'6. Or go bigger with Jamir Watkins that is around 6'8 and is vertically explosive. physical, and has secondary playmaking/ guard skills.

Point guard is not too.much of a critical issue. Although still important. I'd lean more towards a strong defensive compliment. And if outside of the draft and from the undrafted pool, you won't find much better than Ian Martinez

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jamir-watkins-is-doing-everything
Spoiler:
Two guards absolutely cooked for the Aggies—Ian Martinez and Darius Brown II. Martinez is a 6’3” senior who just transferred in from Maryland but has found his footing. He’s a nice complementary guy who can shoot from deep, cut well, and has great touch inside. He’s been pesky on defense, too, with three steals and a block in this game. His 3.9 BLK% on the year is a ridiculous number for a guard. He’ll need to show more scoring and playmaking punch to get into the NBA mix.0

But the reason that I like Ulriche Comche is because he has basically everything that you mentioned in his toolbox for a 4/5 young center already. AND he could play either the 4 or the 5 given his very impressive versatility. I mean he's shooting 38% from three and averaging around 3 blocks. It doesn't get much more 3 & D than that! And you could also look at any of:
Quinton Post, Drew Pember, Joel Soriano, Danny Wolf, etc that have the 3 & D type complimentary skillset that you mentioned as well. Just not as nearly high of a ceiling or advanced versatility that Comche already posesses now at such an early age.

Kind of a weird player looking at his #s. He is 6'11 with a 7'4 wingspan, but shoots 42.4% overall on 11 shots per game. However, he takes 7 3s a game and shoots a little over 38%. So that probably means he's a little over 50% from 2...or around there. He does average a lot of blocks, but his turnovers are crazy. He averages 5 a game or 6 per 36.

I think perimeter D is important but I think having a defensive presense, rim protector, and a guy that can cover a lot of ground quickly with length...basically protecting all of the paint, is important. I don't know that it is super important the C shoot 3s. I like when they can. Brook Lopez would be perfect because he spreads the floor but also contests more shots than any other player in the NBA by far...so he is a great rim protector.

Do you really like Chomche better than DaRon Holmes? Look at the differrence:

I do really like Holmes, and would not at all be disappointed or upset If we drafted him, and I do think that Holmes would have a solid career and impact in a role similar to Bobby Portis or maybe a bit more like Kevon Looney but with better shooting perhaps? As for liking Comche better than Holmes, In comparing the two IF we had to choose between the two at our pick, then yes, I would give him the distinct edge over Holmes (despite being younger) because of a few key factors in his favor:

1- Better size, Girth, Length (wingspan). As these things matter in scaling up at the NBA level against bigger, stronger, quicker and vastly more athletic competition. Holmes is/has been playing outstanding basketball, and would bring great value and reliable production and defense, but when considering his smaller size, slight frame and 7'0 wingspan for a 6'9 - maybe 6'10 220 lb 4/5. Now Holmes at 21 yrs old, may still have some growth left. But for Comche at only 18 yrs old and already at 6'11 and 234 lbs and already possessing a longer wingspan too at 7'4, I believe the growth considerations are already firmly in his favor.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ulrich-chomche--daron-holmes-ii

2- Much higher long term ceiling. With Comche, again correlating his attributes as well as his deficiencies too back to his young age, he already shows an advanced and very diverse foundation in his overall talent and skillset capabilities. It's true that Holmes is absolutely putting up better scoring numbers and efficiency in some categories with a higher PER too. However, I (for my part) would attribute that more to much higher usage and overall age related experience with that edge going to Holmes favorably. I also attribute his 42% and turnovers concern simply to being young, somewhat inexperienced and perhaps trying to do too much too soon. But in that, in time he'll learn to better let things come to him in the flow of the game, and then those issues will improve or correct themselves (turnovers). And the lower shooting percentages, I also would attribute to style of play with Comche operating more in a faceup big modern big style of play, and with Holmes playing more predominantly in the post as a paint patrolling big with some complimentary versatility on defense too. But overall I believe Holmes takes more efficient shots around/closer to the rim given his style of play post up with some face up vs more face up perimeter oriented style of play from Comche.

3- Comche is just already more dynamic at a younger age. when you watch both prospects play, you'll just notice that Comche is more fluid and dynamic with the ball, both in his ballhandling, taking the ball and leading the break going coast to coast at times, his anticipation and recovery with better lateral fluidity. H's just much more smooth in his movements, etc. Comche is already a more adept and comfortable/skilled passer even though he racks up more turnovers likely again to his youth and inexperience trying to do too much. But again, I do think that gets reigned in more under an nba coaching staff. Again, Comche just already has better size, weight, wingspan and maybe even better vertical burst to bang against actual nba 5s' in specific matchups than Holmes does at a slightly size, weight, and shorter wingspan. Although Holmes experience may cancel some of those factors out initially.

Now to be clear, Both would and should easily be considered a win for us on draft night, But if having to choose between the two, I'd still give the overall edge to Comche for higher long term ceiling as well as higher growth trajectory/ NBA ready build. :dontknow:

Post #93 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:25 pm

Spoiler:

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I do really like Holmes, and would not at all be disappointed or upset If we drafted him, and I do think that Holmes would have a solid career and impact in a role similar to Bobby Portis or maybe a bit more like Kevon Looney but with better shooting perhaps? As for liking Comche better than Holmes, In comparing the two IF we had to choose between the two at our pick, then yes, I would give him the distinct edge over Holmes (despite being younger) because of a few key factors in his favor:

1- Better size, Girth, Length (wingspan). As these things matter in scaling up at the NBA level against bigger, stronger, quicker and vastly more athletic competition. Holmes is/has been playing outstanding basketball, and would bring great value and reliable production and defense, but when considering his smaller size, slight frame and 7'0 wingspan for a 6'9 - maybe 6'10 220 lb 4/5. Now Holmes at 21 yrs old, may still have some growth left. But for Comche at only 18 yrs old and already at 6'11 and 234 lbs and already possessing a longer wingspan too at 7'4, I believe the growth considerations are already firmly in his favor.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ulrich-chomche--daron-holmes-ii

2- Much higher long term ceiling. With Comche, again correlating his attributes as well as his deficiencies too back to his young age, he already shows an advanced and very diverse foundation in his overall talent and skillset capabilities. It's true that Holmes is absolutely putting up better scoring numbers and efficiency in some categories with a higher PER too. However, I (for my part) would attribute that more to much higher usage and overall age related experience with that edge going to Holmes favorably. I also attribute his 42% and turnovers concern simply to being young, somewhat inexperienced and perhaps trying to do too much too soon. But in that, in time he'll learn to better let things come to him in the flow of the game, and then those issues will improve or correct themselves (turnovers). And the lower shooting percentages, I also would attribute to style of play with Comche operating more in a faceup big modern big style of play, and with Holmes playing more predominantly in the post as a paint patrolling big with some complimentary versatility on defense too. But overall I believe Holmes takes more efficient shots around/closer to the rim given his style of play post up with some face up vs more face up perimeter oriented style of play from Comche.

3- Comche is just already more dynamic at a younger age. when you watch both prospects play, you'll just notice that Comche is more fluid and dynamic with the ball, both in his ballhandling, taking the ball and leading the break going coast to coast at times, his anticipation and recovery with better lateral fluidity. H's just much more smooth in his movements, etc. Comche is already a more adept and comfortable/skilled passer even though he racks up more turnovers likely again to his youth and inexperience trying to do too much. But again, I do think that gets reigned in more under an nba coaching staff. Again, Comche just already has better size, weight, wingspan and maybe even better vertical burst to bang against actual nba 5s' in specific matchups than Holmes does at a slightly size, weight, and shorter wingspan. Although Holmes experience may cancel some of those factors out initially.

Now to be clear, Both would and should easily be considered a win for us on draft night, But if having to choose between the two, I'd still give the overall edge to Comche for higher long term ceiling as well as higher growth trajectory/ NBA ready build.

Another reason I think Holmes might be the better fit, aside from having better overall #s, is that he is a junior, from a solid program in Dayton, and is probably more ready, which we need.

They play AZ early tomorrow, so a good chance to see him go against top level college competition, and Ballo.

On another note, would you like Ballo as an UDFA?

And according to tankathon's big board, Kylan Boswell and Caleb Love are outside the top 60. They could be decent guys to pick up for the cheap.

I think the best AZ prospect though is Pelle Larson..smart player, good all around, plays better in big games, can shoot the 3 (44%), 3.6 apg.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #94 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Fri Mar 22, 2024 9:09 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Spoiler:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:I do really like Holmes, and would not at all be disappointed or upset If we drafted him, and I do think that Holmes would have a solid career and impact in a role similar to Bobby Portis or maybe a bit more like Kevon Looney but with better shooting perhaps? As for liking Comche better than Holmes, In comparing the two IF we had to choose between the two at our pick, then yes, I would give him the distinct edge over Holmes (despite being younger) because of a few key factors in his favor:

1- Better size, Girth, Length (wingspan). As these things matter in scaling up at the NBA level against bigger, stronger, quicker and vastly more athletic competition. Holmes is/has been playing outstanding basketball, and would bring great value and reliable production and defense, but when considering his smaller size, slight frame and 7'0 wingspan for a 6'9 - maybe 6'10 220 lb 4/5. Now Holmes at 21 yrs old, may still have some growth left. But for Comche at only 18 yrs old and already at 6'11 and 234 lbs and already possessing a longer wingspan too at 7'4, I believe the growth considerations are already firmly in his favor.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=ulrich-chomche--daron-holmes-ii

2- Much higher long term ceiling. With Comche, again correlating his attributes as well as his deficiencies too back to his young age, he already shows an advanced and very diverse foundation in his overall talent and skillset capabilities. It's true that Holmes is absolutely putting up better scoring numbers and efficiency in some categories with a higher PER too. However, I (for my part) would attribute that more to much higher usage and overall age related experience with that edge going to Holmes favorably. I also attribute his 42% and turnovers concern simply to being young, somewhat inexperienced and perhaps trying to do too much too soon. But in that, in time he'll learn to better let things come to him in the flow of the game, and then those issues will improve or correct themselves (turnovers). And the lower shooting percentages, I also would attribute to style of play with Comche operating more in a faceup big modern big style of play, and with Holmes playing more predominantly in the post as a paint patrolling big with some complimentary versatility on defense too. But overall I believe Holmes takes more efficient shots around/closer to the rim given his style of play post up with some face up vs more face up perimeter oriented style of play from Comche.

3- Comche is just already more dynamic at a younger age. when you watch both prospects play, you'll just notice that Comche is more fluid and dynamic with the ball, both in his ballhandling, taking the ball and leading the break going coast to coast at times, his anticipation and recovery with better lateral fluidity. H's just much more smooth in his movements, etc. Comche is already a more adept and comfortable/skilled passer even though he racks up more turnovers likely again to his youth and inexperience trying to do too much. But again, I do think that gets reigned in more under an nba coaching staff. Again, Comche just already has better size, weight, wingspan and maybe even better vertical burst to bang against actual nba 5s' in specific matchups than Holmes does at a slightly size, weight, and shorter wingspan. Although Holmes experience may cancel some of those factors out initially.

Now to be clear, Both would and should easily be considered a win for us on draft night, But if having to choose between the two, I'd still give the overall edge to Comche for higher long term ceiling as well as higher growth trajectory/ NBA ready build.

Another reason I think Holmes might be the better fit, aside from having better overall #s, is that he is a junior, from a solid program in Dayton, and is probably more ready, which we need.

They play AZ early tomorrow, so a good chance to see him go against top level college competition, and Ballo.

On another note, would you like Ballo as an UDFA?

And according to tankathon's big board, Kylan Boswell and Caleb Love are outside the top 60. They could be decent guys to pick up for the cheap.

I think the best AZ prospect though is Pelle Larson..smart player, good all around, plays better in big games, can shoot the 3 (44%), 3.6 apg.

For sure man! I would like Ballos' size, physicality, length and girth as an undrafted prospect and as potential Nurkic insurance, Although his lack of shooting/free throw % concern me as they'll likely be targeted heavily ala "hack a Shaq" tactics. I also wouldn't be at all disappointed if we took Holmes with our pick as he's really solid too. And his skillset does address some of our concerns. The experience factor as well as playing in a high major division only adds to his allure too. And I've been a fan of his and had him pretty high on my list in the previous draft trying to figure a way to get him with an acquired 1st via trade. With Comche, I just see a higher overall ceiling long term which I think would be more important with respect to a potential post Durant and maybe even post Booker core?? And given his unique talents, I also just see him having a higher overall impact trajectory and evolution. Although I would be quite pleased with eithwr. BUT regardless of either player, I'm ultimately hoping for a trade back scenario (if at all possible) for us to maybe add another asset or recoup some depth and talent?

I'd be cool with Boswell or Caleb Love outside of the top 60 too. Boswell shares many similar skillset traits to Van Vleet, as Love shares with Jordan Clarkson a bit too. I kind of like Tamin Lipsey in a Jose Alvarado role, Or Eric Gaines as an super quick, elite vertical burst budget version of DeAaron Fox who could really improve our penetration, pace, foul generation too. A really solid under the radar name that everyone should check out is Cam Spencer of Uconn. From a great program, he's very, very solid and a only slightly lesser version of Reed Sheppard honestly and very very close to putting up 50/40/90 club numbers wherein he could offer similar impact as Allen has for us at the backup guard spot (maybe replace Gordon)??
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cam-spencer-1.html

And Mark Sears of Alabama is strong, aggressive and putting up very impressive numbers:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/mark-sears-1.html

Darius Brown 2nd is a very solid and intruiging guard with a smooth game that while undersized at 6'2 195 lbs is putting out almost 7 assists to only 2 turnovers with really good shooting and ball handling/game management skills. Did you have any thoughts on names like:

Johni Broome
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/johni-broome-1.html
as another slender framed similar slight 4/5 option with almost identical statistical production and efficiency to Holmes)? But likely a late 2nd to undrafted value option. And his w/s and BPM along with his per 40 numbers are truly impressive. He could be an extreme value alternative to Holmes if we don't draft him specifically.

Quinton Post
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/quinten-post-1.html
as a very skilled/ efficient fundamentally sound 7 ft skilled floor spacing 4/5 comp-liment to whomever we draft?He's kind of a mix of a more two way oriented Poetl/ or a bigger more skilled version of Jock Landale with much better 3 pt shooting too (deep range), passing, etc. He could add great size as a 4/5 interchangable skilled big as an undrafted option. Could be a significant upgrade to Eubanks, allowing us to go super big off the bench in some matchups with Bol at the 3?? Would be a dollar store version of Brook Lopez ironically at least in terms of playstyle, skillset.

Joel Soriano
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/joel-soriano-1.html
as a big, physical double double machine (4/5) that plays with aggression and intensity and has some floor spacing skills, a developing faceup game, and some passing chops too. He's a mix of Boogie Cousins and Jurt Thomas playstyle, but would be another extreme value addition for our frontcourt. He'd be a very solid backup consideration to Nurkic (or Nurkic insurance at least). Or we could play him at the 4 as a very big, physical/ aggressive somewhat skilled 4 and add a highly skilled floor spacing 5 or just have Bol play at the 5 as a spacer for an elite inside/out frontcourt duo?

Amari Williams
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/amari-williams-2.html
As a 6'10 250 lb power 4/5 with an high end motor great physicality and ABSOLUTELY ELITE defensive ability along the lines of a Robert Williams. And a rudimentary offensive face up game, some basic ball handling skills and solid passing as a foundation to build off of toward a potential high end outcome? He's a mix of a smaller Embiid (in style of play) and Timelord (in terms of rim protection, weakside protection/, defensive awareness, anticipation and reaction/recovery.

Danny Wolf
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/danny-wolf-1.html
As a gritty, high motor 7'0 255 lb 4/5 that has solid skill, legit downhill ability, ballhandling, passing, tenacity as a defender and rebounder. And has a really impressive 3 pt shooting at 48% (over 2 attempts per game) he also generates nearly 2.5 stocks per game and a surprising 14% assist rate too. He just oozes skill, versatility and tenacity, although not possessing elite athleticism. He's another rugged 7 footer that can play interchangably at EITHER the 4 or the 5 and would give our frontcourt significant size upgrade and add immense positional matchup options at a value pricetag as an undraftd two way or even exhibit 10 prospect.

Drew Pember
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/drew-pember-1.html
as a long, very mobile, very fluid intense/ passionate 4/5 with incredible versatility and a non stop aggressive motor. Pember at 6'11 has a non stop motor, plays with high end passion/ aggression, and is extraordinarily skilled in that he can handle the ball, pass well, rebound and protect the rim with tenacity, hit the three well, iniate offense, be a defensive playmaker. He's basically a very mobile long, 6'11 aggressive swiss army knife with good offense and switchability as a 4/5 or even some instances at the 3 as well. He's a mix of an ultra quick, athletic frank Kaminsky and Gordon Hayward or Kyle Singler. Pember (or Robbie Avila)
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/robbie-avila-1.html
is exactly the type of player that would be a perfect offensive playmaking versatile compliment to DaRon Holmes defensive playmaking, or Johni Broomes' elite defensive skillset/playmaking all interchangable as 4/5 options depending upon matchup.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #95 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sat Mar 23, 2024 12:20 am

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Post #96 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:49 pm

AZ not looking bad....were looking really good but allowed Dayton to close the gap before the half.

SunsRback4Good · Post #97 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Sat Mar 23, 2024 6:54 pm

Bear down!

Hitachi77 · Post #98 » by **Hitachi77** » Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:02 am

Let’s get back to the elite 8 for the first time in 9 years!

SunsRback4Good · Post #99 » by **SunsRback4Good** » Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:56 am

Hitachi77 wrote:Let’s get back to the elite 8 for the first time in 9 years!

The skies the limit with this team. I don’t normally say this but I truly believe Caleb Love has potential to lead us to the final 4. He’s resilient and unafraid to fail. He has ice in his veins and I believe he will be huge for UofA as the rounds proceed.

Ghost of Kleine · Post #100 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:18 pm

I really like Keshad Johnsons' athleticism, quickness and physicality with purpose! (he utilizes simple and effective moves within his physical advantages). I'd be really cool with him as a backup 3 maybe situational small ball 4 occasionally too.

Watch on YouTube

Maybe he could fill the role of what we were hoping for with Miles Bridges (somewhat as a lesser budget version) but without all of the legal issues and moral concerns? :dontknow: