Mulhollanddrive wrote:I think we finish 8th.
Lose to Sacramento away play in
Beat Lakers at home play in
Lose 4-1 to Denver 1st round
if you think they will let Lebron lose in an elimination game to get into the playoffs, you are mistaken.
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Mulhollanddrive wrote:I think we finish 8th.
Lose to Sacramento away play in
Beat Lakers at home play in
Lose 4-1 to Denver 1st round
Revived wrote:
If/when the Suns lose in the first or second round next month, I would strongly reach out to Houston and ask them for this same offer + Whitmore for KD.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Revived wrote:
If/when the Suns lose in the first or second round next month, I would strongly reach out to Houston and ask them for this same offer + Whitmore for KD.
Sunlight wrote:Booker doesn't have the ability to run the game intelligently. Often throws a stupid heroball triple attempt and the flow disappears from the whole team. He is not a leading player on a contender team. You can't talk about him in the same sentence as Kobe, CP3 or Luka. Rich man's Monte Ellis is the best metaphor as someone here very well mentioned yesterday.
There was a reason why CP3 came to the Suns. He saw that the orchestra was talented enough to go all the way, but the conductor was missing. In the end, Saric's injury watered down the championship.
The 2031 season is just around the corner. It's a bit of a wait to get there, but a true fan can handle it. Hopefully without Booker.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Revived wrote:
If/when the Suns lose in the first or second round next month, I would strongly reach out to Houston and ask them for this same offer + Whitmore for KD.
sunskerr wrote:Sunlight wrote:Booker doesn't have the ability to run the game intelligently. Often throws a stupid heroball triple attempt and the flow disappears from the whole team. He is not a leading player on a contender team. You can't talk about him in the same sentence as Kobe, CP3 or Luka. Rich man's Monte Ellis is the best metaphor as someone here very well mentioned yesterday.
There was a reason why CP3 came to the Suns. He saw that the orchestra was talented enough to go all the way, but the conductor was missing. In the end, Saric's injury watered down the championship.
The 2031 season is just around the corner. It's a bit of a wait to get there, but a true fan can handle it. Hopefully without Booker.
hes not monta ellis...dont have to exaggerate to get the point across. He's just not a main guy. You got the top tier of Jokic/Giannis/Shai/Luka etc (Wemby will join them next year but his team sucks) then the next tier of Tatum etc and Booker, if he's in that next tier, is going to be at/near the bottom of it.
But I agree the hero ball stuff is just awful to watch.Ghost of Kleine wrote:Revived wrote:
If/when the Suns lose in the first or second round next month, I would strongly reach out to Houston and ask them for this same offer + Whitmore for KD.
They won't give all that up for KD lol. But I'd settle trading KD for less lol. This team is going nowhere.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:sunskerr wrote:Sunlight wrote:Booker doesn't have the ability to run the game intelligently. Often throws a stupid heroball triple attempt and the flow disappears from the whole team. He is not a leading player on a contender team. You can't talk about him in the same sentence as Kobe, CP3 or Luka. Rich man's Monte Ellis is the best metaphor as someone here very well mentioned yesterday.
There was a reason why CP3 came to the Suns. He saw that the orchestra was talented enough to go all the way, but the conductor was missing. In the end, Saric's injury watered down the championship.
The 2031 season is just around the corner. It's a bit of a wait to get there, but a true fan can handle it. Hopefully without Booker.
hes not monta ellis...dont have to exaggerate to get the point across. He's just not a main guy. You got the top tier of Jokic/Giannis/Shai/Luka etc (Wemby will join them next year but his team sucks) then the next tier of Tatum etc and Booker, if he's in that next tier, is going to be at/near the bottom of it.
But I agree the hero ball stuff is just awful to watch.Ghost of Kleine wrote:
They won't give all that up for KD lol. But I'd settle trading KD for less lol. This team is going nowhere.
Maybe not! I'd definitely love to get Green (Jalen not Jeff) back.......lol. But Whitmore isn't a deal breaker for me either. I'd honestly have more interest in Eason and Amen Thompson and the picks being the biggest thing for me really.
But Houston isn't really where I'd send KD anyways as my top 2 preferences for him in a trade would be:
1- New York.
2- OKC.
Due to players and assets that we could get back in a deal for him. I do think that Nurkic (even though I'm fond of him for his physicality and effort) to Houston so they could move Sengun to the 4. And have a more dominant frontcourt. Or maybe Nurkic to Brooklyn in exchange for some young prospects and a pick/ 2nds?
Slim Charless wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:sunskerr wrote:
hes not monta ellis...dont have to exaggerate to get the point across. He's just not a main guy. You got the top tier of Jokic/Giannis/Shai/Luka etc (Wemby will join them next year but his team sucks) then the next tier of Tatum etc and Booker, if he's in that next tier, is going to be at/near the bottom of it.
But I agree the hero ball stuff is just awful to watch.
They won't give all that up for KD lol. But I'd settle trading KD for less lol. This team is going nowhere.
Maybe not! I'd definitely love to get Green (Jalen not Jeff) back.......lol. But Whitmore isn't a deal breaker for me either. I'd honestly have more interest in Eason and Amen Thompson and the picks being the biggest thing for me really.
But Houston isn't really where I'd send KD anyways as my top 2 preferences for him in a trade would be:
1- New York.
2- OKC.
Due to players and assets that we could get back in a deal for him. I do think that Nurkic (even though I'm fond of him for his physicality and effort) to Houston so they could move Sengun to the 4. And have a more dominant frontcourt. Or maybe Nurkic to Brooklyn in exchange for some young prospects and a pick/ 2nds?
Why NYC over OKC? The Thunder have more picks, better picks, and more young players to send as well. They are the prefect team to trade with. Knicks make some sense but I'm not sure KD wants to go back to a new york based team
AtheJ415 wrote:I'm out until playoffs. Hopefully we decide to give a **** at that point. Vogel should've been fired a long time ago.
This team of balless, immature prima donnas does not deserve the fans that it has. It has accomplished absolutely 0 as a unit and plays like it is the reigning champs that just need to make the playoffs and can then turn it on. The KD trade was one of the worst moves possible.
We have, under James Jones:
1. Passed on Luka for Ayton (he was assistant GM but still), but Ayton at least has shown to be one of the best centers in the league when engaged, and he has been killing it in Portland the last month.
2. Passed on Haliburton for Jalen Smith, a move that was inexcusable at the time and is moreso now. Just complete idiocy. Would have been good to maybe get at least Vassell.
3. Traded assets to dump Josh Jackson for no reason costing us potentially Bane.
4. Traded assets to repeatedly get Torrey Craig
5. Tampered to get Drew Eubanks who is an okay player but a bad fit for us and the man crush our head coach has on him has him killing us instead of playing Bol Bol, who is clearly impactful when he is on the court.
6. Traded everything for KD when all you had to do was beat the next best offer. Everybody said don't judge it year 1 despite KD being 60 years old but here we are in year 2 and we are WORSE. Keep Mikal and this team is different, and that offer was good enough to get KD without Mikal even if you had to wait a season for the Nets GM to see no better offers were coming.
7. Hired Vogel.
He may be worse than his predecessor.
Regardless, the players are beyond well paid and beyondwell supported by a fan base that deserves much better than their lazy, entitled play on the court while they make excuse after excuse ater excuse. This team is top 3 in talent, regardless of team makeup. They just can't be bothered to focus enough to cut down on the lazy passes, to hustle on defense or really to do anything that isn't fun. Bunch of soft pansies dying for any semblence of leadership.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
Ghost of Kleine wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Maybe not! I'd definitely love to get Green (Jalen not Jeff) back.......lol. But Whitmore isn't a deal breaker for me either. I'd honestly have more interest in Eason and Amen Thompson and the picks being the biggest thing for me really.
But Houston isn't really where I'd send KD anyways as my top 2 preferences for him in a trade would be:
1- New York.
2- OKC.
Due to players and assets that we could get back in a deal for him. I do think that Nurkic (even though I'm fond of him for his physicality and effort) to Houston so they could move Sengun to the 4. And have a more dominant frontcourt. Or maybe Nurkic to Brooklyn in exchange for some young prospects and a pick/ 2nds?
Why NYC over OKC? The Thunder have more picks, better picks, and more young players to send as well. They are the prefect team to trade with. Knicks make some sense but I'm not sure KD wants to go back to a new york based team
Mostly, I prioritized KD to New York over OKC as a favor to KD because of the reports of his family, etc pushing him to go there, and also because I wanted to get back Randle to give us a more physical frontcourt with Nurkic, and Bojan as a 20 million expiring to rduce our luxury cap tax and the Detroit and/or Washington pick as part of what we'd get back in the deal. And IF Randle balls out in Phoenix, then perhaps we could flip him elsewhere for more assets? But initially, post trade, it'd give us a somewhat strong starting lineup of Beal/Book/Allen/Randle/Nurkic. Although I'm of the same mind as you on OKC being equally good AND having legit interest in KD as the missing piece to put them over the top, And Presti selling a really good storyline of the "prodigal son" whom they drafted returning back home to finish his career where it began, and helping OKC to their first ever championship! (Ironically before us)!
And I had us in my premise (previous posts) getting back something around (for KD at 51 million around the deadline) Dort/Giddey/Dieng/Joe or Wiggins/ 25 Miami 1st (1-14 protected)/ 27 Denver 1st ( 1-5 protected)/ 2028 DAL 1st/ 25 2nd/ 26' GS 2nd.
Slim Charless wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
Why NYC over OKC? The Thunder have more picks, better picks, and more young players to send as well. They are the prefect team to trade with. Knicks make some sense but I'm not sure KD wants to go back to a new york based team
Mostly, I prioritized KD to New York over OKC as a favor to KD because of the reports of his family, etc pushing him to go there, and also because I wanted to get back Randle to give us a more physical frontcourt with Nurkic, and Bojan as a 20 million expiring to rduce our luxury cap tax and the Detroit and/or Washington pick as part of what we'd get back in the deal. And IF Randle balls out in Phoenix, then perhaps we could flip him elsewhere for more assets? But initially, post trade, it'd give us a somewhat strong starting lineup of Beal/Book/Allen/Randle/Nurkic. Although I'm of the same mind as you on OKC being equally good AND having legit interest in KD as the missing piece to put them over the top, And Presti selling a really good storyline of the "prodigal son" whom they drafted returning back home to finish his career where it began, and helping OKC to their first ever championship! (Ironically before us)!
And I had us in my premise (previous posts) getting back something around (for KD at 51 million around the deadline) Dort/Giddey/Dieng/Joe or Wiggins/ 25 Miami 1st (1-14 protected)/ 27 Denver 1st ( 1-5 protected)/ 2028 DAL 1st/ 25 2nd/ 26' GS 2nd.
See, for me the Nurk thing is 1 of the reasons I like OKC. He's been awesome this yr-WAY better then I've ever thought he could be. In fact this is the 2nd most games he's played in his entire career. With a chance to break his own personal record if he doesn't miss any more this season.
In other words, it's a complete freak occurrence that we've gotten healthy Nurk this yr. We need to capitalize on that and trade him this summer. His value will probably never be this high again for the rest of his career.
The Thunder need a big like him and by adding him into the KD trade, we can likely squeeze another asset or 2 out of them. Also saves us a ton of money and means that we can pick players again on the buy out market.
Stix wrote:Beal is just not a winner. All those years in Washington.