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Hitachi77 wrote:SunsRback4Good wrote:I mean if we can’t beat the Celtics, who can we beat ???
Hopefully Nuggets in the first round. Beat their ass in 6, then everyone can stop slobbering over them.
Mr Puddles wrote:I've said this before as well, but the 5th and 6th team in the west will likely be determined by the head to head match ups.
The suns still play the kings once and pelicans twice, winner will hold the tie breaker.
The kings and Mavericks are facing off against each other twice still.
Pelicans and Kings still face each other once.
If the Suns can take care of those games, then we'll be in good shape.
SunsRback4Good wrote:I mean if we can’t beat the Celtics, who can we beat ???
SunsRback4Good wrote:Suns have an amazing record when they record 30+ assists a game everyone is getting involved ob offense. 21 assists like tonight is just not gonna cut it especially against a juggernaut team against the Celtics.
sashaturiaf wrote:SunsRback4Good wrote:Suns have an amazing record when they record 30+ assists a game everyone is getting involved ob offense. 21 assists like tonight is just not gonna cut it especially against a juggernaut team against the Celtics.
Celtics mostly played us straight up today. Hence KD went off while Royce and Grayson were held in check. Can't assist if we're going 1v1
I think we played well today but the bench minutes absolutely killed us, Booker being back taking the Eubanks and Lee minutes would have helped a ton.
sunsbg wrote:Watched Celtics Mavs a week or so ago and they did the same by defending Luka 1on1 and limiting everybody else. Obviously this strategy may not look so good when Booker is playing, but I'm not sure KD will be consistently putting 30+ in a series either. As long as two of Big 3 have good game Suns will at least make it close against any other team.
Hitachi77 wrote:Eubanks stat line is amazing. 11 minutes, 0 points, 1 rebound, -20 +/-. In the playoffs I think we go small instead of putting him in. Against the Nuggets him him a chance since he did play well against them.
Mr Puddles wrote:Hitachi77 wrote:Eubanks stat line is amazing. 11 minutes, 0 points, 1 rebound, -20 +/-. In the playoffs I think we go small instead of putting him in. Against the Nuggets him him a chance since he did play well against them.
I actually have mixed feelings about Eubanks having the odd good game. On the one hand, I'm always happy when a Suns player performs well. On the other hand, I've seen enough of Drew that I don't want him anywhere near our playoff rotation.
Whenever Drew has a good game, it seems to buy him another 10 games of good will with Vogel. For the life of me, I can't think of any reason why Eubanks is out there instead of Young. Young has done the little things well when he's out there, like boxing guys out, while Bol is still out there for the athletic rebounds and blocks. The Eubanks / Bol combo is just a couple of poko sticks bouncing around getting out muscled for rebounds by chizzled players known for their bear-like strength, like Luke Kornet.
sunsbg wrote:7th now and still with most difficult schedule in the league. Suns need to beat teams like Celtics to not be a play in team. Good losses won't do it. Simple as that. Let's start with Cavs.
Hitachi77 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:Hitachi77 wrote:Eubanks stat line is amazing. 11 minutes, 0 points, 1 rebound, -20 +/-. In the playoffs I think we go small instead of putting him in. Against the Nuggets him him a chance since he did play well against them.
I actually have mixed feelings about Eubanks having the odd good game. On the one hand, I'm always happy when a Suns player performs well. On the other hand, I've seen enough of Drew that I don't want him anywhere near our playoff rotation.
Whenever Drew has a good game, it seems to buy him another 10 games of good will with Vogel. For the life of me, I can't think of any reason why Eubanks is out there instead of Young. Young has done the little things well when he's out there, like boxing guys out, while Bol is still out there for the athletic rebounds and blocks. The Eubanks / Bol combo is just a couple of poko sticks bouncing around getting out muscled for rebounds by chizzled players known for their bear-like strength, like Luke Kornet.
Yup agreed. In the remaining matchup vs Denver, I say put him in, to see if last game wasn’t a fluke. If he plays well, play him vs Denver in a potential series. If not, don’t. Don’t play him against anyone else, except in the rare situation where Nurk and Bol are getting killed and we need to find a miracle spark somewhere. Some for Okogie.
Maze wrote:Don't see how they reversed that out of bounds call on KD.That was the death nail.
garrick wrote:Hitachi77 wrote:Mr Puddles wrote:
I actually have mixed feelings about Eubanks having the odd good game. On the one hand, I'm always happy when a Suns player performs well. On the other hand, I've seen enough of Drew that I don't want him anywhere near our playoff rotation.
Whenever Drew has a good game, it seems to buy him another 10 games of good will with Vogel. For the life of me, I can't think of any reason why Eubanks is out there instead of Young. Young has done the little things well when he's out there, like boxing guys out, while Bol is still out there for the athletic rebounds and blocks. The Eubanks / Bol combo is just a couple of poko sticks bouncing around getting out muscled for rebounds by chizzled players known for their bear-like strength, like Luke Kornet.
Yup agreed. In the remaining matchup vs Denver, I say put him in, to see if last game wasn’t a fluke. If he plays well, play him vs Denver in a potential series. If not, don’t. Don’t play him against anyone else, except in the rare situation where Nurk and Bol are getting killed and we need to find a miracle spark somewhere. Some for Okogie.
I think both Nurkic and Jokic do decent against Jokic because Jokic doesn't have the foot speed to blow past them and especially Nurkic can use his size to body Nurkic up.
In similar fashion Jock looked like a decent player when matched up against Jokic in the post season and got that huge 8m contract from the Rockets but has been pretty disappointing so far this season. Denver might be the one team where our centers do relatively well?
Hitachi77 wrote:garrick wrote:Hitachi77 wrote:
Yup agreed. In the remaining matchup vs Denver, I say put him in, to see if last game wasn’t a fluke. If he plays well, play him vs Denver in a potential series. If not, don’t. Don’t play him against anyone else, except in the rare situation where Nurk and Bol are getting killed and we need to find a miracle spark somewhere. Some for Okogie.
I think both Nurkic and Jokic do decent against Jokic because Jokic doesn't have the foot speed to blow past them and especially Nurkic can use his size to body Nurkic up.
In similar fashion Jock looked like a decent player when matched up against Jokic in the post season and got that huge 8m contract from the Rockets but has been pretty disappointing so far this season. Denver might be the one team where our centers do relatively well?
Yeah and just to add to that. Eubanks in particular seems to really struggle adding value in space. That’s why he had almost nothing in a full quarter of play yesterday. Without KP playing, Boston’s offense is purely around the perimeter guys. So Eubanks job in that matchup is to float around a bit, help defense, rebounds, close out on 3 point shooters etc. I don’t think he’s effective at all in that role. But against Jokic, his job is clear. Follow around Jokic, put a body on Jokic, etc. that’s it.
Ironically, with KP playing, Eubanks role would be the same as it would be vs Jokic, but like you said, KP is quicker. Others like Giannis are much quicker. So Eubanks would very likely struggle there too.
So yeah, that matchup vs Denver is looking outstanding. We have guys who play Jokic well and they basically have no one to deal with our big 3. That doesn’t mean it’s an auto win for us at all, there are many ways we could still lose. But the matchup looks very good.
garrick wrote:Hitachi77 wrote:garrick wrote:
I think both Nurkic and Jokic do decent against Jokic because Jokic doesn't have the foot speed to blow past them and especially Nurkic can use his size to body Nurkic up.
In similar fashion Jock looked like a decent player when matched up against Jokic in the post season and got that huge 8m contract from the Rockets but has been pretty disappointing so far this season. Denver might be the one team where our centers do relatively well?
Yeah and just to add to that. Eubanks in particular seems to really struggle adding value in space. That’s why he had almost nothing in a full quarter of play yesterday. Without KP playing, Boston’s offense is purely around the perimeter guys. So Eubanks job in that matchup is to float around a bit, help defense, rebounds, close out on 3 point shooters etc. I don’t think he’s effective at all in that role. But against Jokic, his job is clear. Follow around Jokic, put a body on Jokic, etc. that’s it.
Ironically, with KP playing, Eubanks role would be the same as it would be vs Jokic, but like you said, KP is quicker. Others like Giannis are much quicker. So Eubanks would very likely struggle there too.
So yeah, that matchup vs Denver is looking outstanding. We have guys who play Jokic well and they basically have no one to deal with our big 3. That doesn’t mean it’s an auto win for us at all, there are many ways we could still lose. But the matchup looks very good.
Yeah last season with our skeleton crew we took Denver to 6 games which was more than the Lakers or Wolves could do albeit with Book and KD going MJ mode for those wins with little help from the bench so this team will matchup better than last season though I still give Denver the edge.
I think we have no hope for Boston or Milwaukee in the East if we ever make it to the championships but we have to worry about getting out of the West or even making it to the playoffs and avoiding the play in.
