Non-threadworthy MMA Rumors/Quotes/Tweets/Etc., Vol. 4

Jasen777 · Post #681 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:15 pm

Headliner wrote:Let me put it this way, do you think Mouse could beat Brock Lesnar if Lesnar stood with him the whole time? No chance in hell, and lesnar had as much striking experience as any other football guy would have if they came to the UFC.

Lesnar had 2 whole years of MMA training before he got to the UFC. And his wrestling background would have saved a ton of time that other new fighters would have to spend.

If Mighty Mouse could beat a football player after they'd had 2 years of high level extensive mma training (without even being made easier by previous combat background), that's a different question.

REDDzone · Post #682 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:17 pm

Absolutely, give some freak athlete actual formal training and experience and its a different issue.

Post #683 » by **Headliner** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 4:08 pm

Are we talking about a street fight, with eye gouging, fish hooking and ball shots?
An instant UFC fight this second with the UFC rules, but no training?
Or an actual UFC fight where the guy would get months to train some skills?

And are we assuming the NFL player has never boxed, or has no fighting background at all? Because many have some boxing experience, and/or wrestling backgrounds.

REDDzone · Post #684 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:31 pm

Headliner wrote:Are we talking about a street fight, with eye gouging, fish hooking and ball shots?
An instant UFC fight this second with the UFC rules, but no training?
Or an actual UFC fight where the guy would get months to train some skills?

And are we assuming the NFL player has never boxed, or has no fighting background at all? Because many have some boxing experience, and/or wrestling backgrounds.

I'd take Mouse in any of those but I think Rogan at one point laid out the scenario as taking place in the middle of a field, so presumably street fight?

Jasen777 · Post #685 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 6:38 pm

REDDzone wrote:
Headliner wrote:Are we talking about a street fight, with eye gouging, fish hooking and ball shots?
An instant UFC fight this second with the UFC rules, but no training?
Or an actual UFC fight where the guy would get months to train some skills?

And are we assuming the NFL player has never boxed, or has no fighting background at all? Because many have some boxing experience, and/or wrestling backgrounds.

I'd take Mouse in any of those but I think Rogan at one point laid out the scenario as taking place in the middle of a field, so presumably street fight?

Street fights are normally not arranged though, and often go to the guy who strikes first and/or is willing to be the most violent, right?
I mean at least their is a big difference between 2 people agreeing to fight and people being out at a bar or something and things escalate.

And I think the question has to be an NFL player with no combat sports experience. Because otherwise the question is "large athletic guy with limited combat sports experience" and the NFL part isn't particularly relevant.

REDDzone · Post #686 » by **REDDzone** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:48 pm

Roxanne Modafferi would DESTROY Ray Lewis.

Post #687 » by **Headliner** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:41 pm

Woodly vs Wonderboy is happening. Glad to see that.
Hope Wonderboy takes it.

NZB2323 · Post #688 » by **NZB2323** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:24 pm

A lot of NFL player train MMA in the offseason though, like Clay Matthews, and a lot of those guys wrestled in high school. Arthur Jones said he would take Ray Lewis in a street fight over Jon Jones.

Jasen777 · Post #689 » by **Jasen777** » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:33 pm

NZB2323 wrote:Arthur Jones said he would take Ray Lewis in a street fight over Jon Jones.

Arthur Jones was either high or thinking of Lewis' knife skills.

Post #690 » by **Headliner** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:11 am

Woodly already trying to contest the Wonderboy fight lol.

Post #691 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:45 am

Headliner wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:
Headliner wrote:
Using Lesnar as a prototype. He would be giving up a foot and 1 inch height, around 150 pounds and 20+ inches of reach.

Lesnar isn't the average dimensions of a 6'3 or 6'4 man, even in the NFL or NBA.

His reach is average for a 6'4 guy.

Average? Brock is up there with the biggest reaches in the UFC, and he's closer to 6'2.5 than 6'4. Jon Jones
Has 2-3 inches of reach on him, and guys literally say that's such a massive advantage over his contemporaries that it makes it unfair to call him GOAT. :lol:

Lesnar is not the average in any sport.

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Gregoire · Post #692 » by **Gregoire** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 7:29 am

I think prime Alexander Karelin would rag doll the UFC heavyweight division he had way superior strength then Brock and athleticism plus way better wrestling and technique. Rumors out of Japan said he had monster fists and hit like a truck (sounds like Carwin). With some mma training dude would have been hw GOAT. Imagine someone with Brock strength and athleticism, Carwin punching power, and better wrestling technique then Danier Cormier in UFC's heavyweight division.

Also Ithink guys Like Teddy Riner (204 sm, 140 kg) could beverycompetitive.Same with Mijain Lopez.

Nightmaree · Post #693 » by **Nightmaree** » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:38 pm

Watch on YouTube

Nemesis21 · Post #694 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:30 pm

BJ Penn to return in October, at 145 vs Ricardo Lamas,

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/17308104/bj-penn-return-ufc-fight-vs-ricardo-lamas-oct-15

Post #695 » by **Headliner** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:35 pm

I have no interest in ever watching BJ fight again. He's in the same category I have/had W.Silva, Struve, Shogun. I'd rather see him retire with all his facilities in order.

Post #696 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:35 am

Neither do I. Especially with these younger guys who are going out there to destroy him just to make more of a name for themselves.

For Lamas, he's probably seeing it as an easy payday and likely an easy win. All at the cost of BJ's health.

High 5 · Post #697 » by **High 5** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:43 pm

Penn should avoid the unnecessary damage, sure, but mostly he's just super boring to watch these days. He can't do anything out there. It's honestly kind of depressing as someone who use to love watching him fight.

cowboyronnie · Post #698 » by **cowboyronnie** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:52 pm

Lamas is underappreciated. Stone killer.

REDDzone · Post #699 » by **REDDzone** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:22 am

Just ridiculous matchmaking imo. How do you go from hypothetical matchups with guys like Siver or Cole Miller to Ricardo Lamas?

Let's put this in perspective using a lil MMAmath: A fight that makes a lot of sense next is Lamas/Edgar, both top 5ish guys that are coming off losses. BJ fought Edgar last, and that fight is in the argument for least competitive fight in mma history, and took place over two years ago.

Then again what do you expect from a company who is putting 45 year old Dan Henderson in title fights?

cowboyronnie · Post #700 » by **cowboyronnie** » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:12 am

Cole Miller to Lamas, that's a good point.

Makes no difference in terms of moving the needle or technical intrigue (miller's bjj coulda been sold, he's tapped Gurgel). One guy is just 10x the murderer.

Maybe the fight is meant to keep Lamas in the picture? A Miller win is no win for the UFC. This hedges a BJ loss at least.