Back Alley brawl: Zion vs McGregor who wins?

[primecougar]

Realgm is the place where nba players in 6 months can learn everything.

Zion will learn to wrestle, defend takedowns, learn basic bjj defence, learn to check leg kicks and get striking down.

In 2 years a pro athlete training in a major mma gym taking fighting very serious could possibly learn how to punch properly.

Greg hardy was was a pro bowler and is been training for like 3 years now and he's barely a fringe top 20 in the heavy weight division, which is shallow and doesn't require a lot of skill cause 1 punch and it's night night.

In 2 years zion won't know how to do any of those things. Maybe he will throw a decent 1-2 in a fight or learn some basic bjj skills where he won't be immediately submitted.

[primecougar]

You can tackle in MMA, Literally anyone who's vsing a good striker wants to tackle them, It's not like world class MMA fighters train all day to defend takedowns in MMA. It's not like every fighter who's ever fought McGregor bar Aldo had the plan to tackle Mcgregor. The fact its a "Street fight" makes no difference trying to bring a guy to the ground

Stop trying to bring a controlled MMA environment with equally classed people into this scenario... Have you ever seen a 6'6'', 285 pound professional athlete tackle a 5'7'', 175 pound fighter unexpectedly in a back alley?

Dude that's like saying a 6-7 atheltic guy that's never played basketball could beat cp3 in 1v1 game outdoors, call your own fouls.

How would cp3 stop him from backing him down? This is not a regular 6-7 guy, it's an athletic guy. "Theres a reason, they have positions in basketball and pg defend other pg". This is also street ball much different than an nba game

That's how stupid you sound.

These are the ways zion wins a 1v1 fight
He has a gun, he stabs him from behind with a large knife.

[brutalitops]

You can tackle in MMA, Literally anyone who's vsing a good striker wants to tackle them, It's not like world class MMA fighters train all day to defend takedowns in MMA. It's not like every fighter who's ever fought McGregor bar Aldo had the plan to tackle Mcgregor. The fact its a "Street fight" makes no difference trying to bring a guy to the ground

Stop trying to bring a controlled MMA environment with equally classed people into this scenario... Have you ever seen a 6'6'', 285 pound professional athlete tackle a 5'7'', 175 pound fighter unexpectedly in a back alley?

Dude that's like saying a 6-7 atheltic guy that's never played basketball could beat cp3 in 1v1 game outdoors, call your own fouls.

How would cp3 stop him from backing him down? This is not a regular 6-7 guy, it's an athletic guy. "Theres a reason, they have positions in basketball and pg defend other pg". This is also street ball much different than an nba game

That's how stupid you sound.

These are the ways zion wins a 1v1 fight
He has a gun, he stabs him from behind with a large knife.

Francis Ngannou beats Steph Curry in basketball by posting up on him.

[EArl]

Realgm is the place where nba players in 6 months can learn everything.
Zion will learn to wrestle, defend takedowns, learn basic bjj defence, learn to check leg kicks and get striking down.

In 2 years a pro athlete training in a major mma gym taking fighting very serious could possibly learn how to punch properly.

Greg hardy was was a pro bowler and is been training for like 3 years now and he's barely a fringe top 20 in the heavy weight division, which is shallow and doesn't require a lot of skill cause 1 punch and it's night night.

In 2 years zion won't know how to do any of those things. Maybe he will throw a decent 1-2 in a fight or learn some basic bjj skills where he won't be immediately submitted.

Im still waiting for the if Lebron/Nash/any smart player could practice medicine vs a doctor who would win.
People would be saying that Nash could pick it up in a few months because of his intelligence and his superior dexterity would give him the win.

[HeartBreakKid]

if your name is zion(israel) im sure you have lots of fights done in grade school,high school

Haha ya Im sure at the rough halls of Spartanburg Day Private School the kids were picking fights with Zion left and right...

Don’t you think that Zion would have a shot though if he just bum rushed and tackled Connor and got him on the mat? He could use all of his body on Connor and nail him...

Assuming you're a normal sized Western fellow - do you think if you bum rushed Henry Cejudo you could get him to the floor? The size difference between you and him is functionally larger.


Anyway the problem with bum rushing someone in a fight is that there is always distance between you two. It's much harder than you think to shut your brain off and just run into someone like a Pro Wrestling spear. When there is a threat of being hit, people - both fighters and non fighters instinctively approach with relative caution even before unleashing a frantic flurry.

It would be very hard for Zion to close the distance on Conor McGregor without exposing his chin because he's not trained to do otherwise, and of course Conor has much experience in real time fighting much less thousands of hours of practice in being able to hit someone doing that.

And even if he did take down Zion he might end up in a submission instantly. And if he's not hes still in a lot of trouble because he doesn't really have a way to end the fight if he is on the ground, he will get very tired.

There's a looooot of things that would have to go right for Zion to have a chance at beating McGregor.

[cowboyronnie]

Where is this cancel culture I keep hearing about when we need it to lock this thread and get everyone fired?

[REDDzone]

This thread reminds me of a similar thread a few years back where someone honestly argued that the NBA player would win because he could out bench press the MMA fighter.

[Susan]

I like how the GB just throws this **** into our board.

Let's start making crazy MMA vs Basketball player threads and throw it onto their freaking board and see how they like it. We got any mods who will help me with this troll effort?

[M4P]

Basketball is a game where height matters (similar to how size matters in a fight) and Jon jones is 5 inches taller, has bigger reach, and more athletic. Will he be able to beat cp3 in a 1v1 game? Like just back him down and score and block every shot after

Are you really trying to compare or insinuate that basketball is anywhere close to or near a combat sport or "fighting"? If you are, I hate to be the first to tell you, but basketball is not a combat sport. Also MMA is sport and not an alleyway brawl. There is a difference.

[M4P]

Realgm is the place where nba players in 6 months can learn everything.

Zion will learn to wrestle, defend takedowns, learn basic bjj defence, learn to check leg kicks and get striking down.

In 2 years a pro athlete training in a major mma gym taking fighting very serious could possibly learn how to punch properly.

Greg hardy was was a pro bowler and is been training for like 3 years now and he's barely a fringe top 20 in the heavy weight division, which is shallow and doesn't require a lot of skill cause 1 punch and it's night night.

In 2 years zion won't know how to do any of those things. Maybe he will throw a decent 1-2 in a fight or learn some basic bjj skills where he won't be immediately submitted.

You sound misled because you're interpreting this thread as a sanctioned, MMA bout with fixed variables between Zion and Conor. An alleyway brawl is what the prompt asked. If you think modern MMA events are anywhere close to what actual brawls look like, you have either never been involved with or seen fights happen in person, or are just forming your opinions by irrelevant comparisons (see above).

Assuming no weapons and purely on empty hand techniques, you are comparing

- 6'7, 300+ (offseason) more athletic and EXPLOSIVE individual vs 5'9, 180+ (offseason) less athletic/explosive individual
- concrete ("alleyway")
- clothed (gi vs nogi)

Give any law enforcement or similar employment specialists this exact same scenario with the variables listed without mentioning the names, and they will 9/10 times tell you the same thing. Conor gets mauled easily by blue belt ZIon. 70s' Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris flicks aren't real.

And for the people that don't really seem to comprehend the size difference, here is a comparison photo between Lebron and someone Conor's size, when clothed. Keep in mind that Zion easily has 40 - 50lbs on Lebron any day of the week.

[primecougar]

Basketball is a game where height matters (similar to how size matters in a fight) and Jon jones is 5 inches taller, has bigger reach, and more athletic. Will he be able to beat cp3 in a 1v1 game? Like just back him down and score and block every shot after

Are you really trying to compare or insinuate that basketball is anywhere close to or near a combat sport or "fighting"? If you are, I hate to be the first to tell you, but basketball is not a combat sport. Also MMA is sport and not an alleyway brawl. There is a difference.

You're misled because you're interpreting this as a professional nba game between jones and Chris paul. This street basketball. If you think modern NBA games are close to what street basketball look like, you have either never played basketball or watched in person, or forming your opinions by irrelevant comparisons.

[M4P]

Basketball is a game where height matters (similar to how size matters in a fight) and Jon jones is 5 inches taller, has bigger reach, and more athletic. Will he be able to beat cp3 in a 1v1 game? Like just back him down and score and block every shot after

Are you really trying to compare or insinuate that basketball is anywhere close to or near a combat sport or "fighting"? If you are, I hate to be the first to tell you, but basketball is not a combat sport. Also MMA is sport and not an alleyway brawl. There is a difference.

You're misled because you're interpreting this as a professional nba game between jones and Chris paul. This street basketball. If you think modern NBA games are close to what street basketball look like, you have either never played basketball or watched in person, or forming your opinions by irrelevant comparisons.

So is Jon Jones allowed to oblique kick and double leg CP3 because if he can then this is pretty easily Jones by T/KO, no question. You can't score buckets when you're concussed or asleep. Next.

[primecougar]

Realgm is the place where nba players in 6 months can learn everything.

Zion will learn to wrestle, defend takedowns, learn basic bjj defence, learn to check leg kicks and get striking down.

In 2 years a pro athlete training in a major mma gym taking fighting very serious could possibly learn how to punch properly.

Greg hardy was was a pro bowler and is been training for like 3 years now and he's barely a fringe top 20 in the heavy weight division, which is shallow and doesn't require a lot of skill cause 1 punch and it's night night.

In 2 years zion won't know how to do any of those things. Maybe he will throw a decent 1-2 in a fight or learn some basic bjj skills where he won't be immediately submitted.

You sound misled because you're interpreting this thread as a sanctioned, MMA bout with fixed variables between Zion and Conor. An alleyway brawl is what the prompt asked. If you think modern MMA events are anywhere close to what actual brawls look like, you have either never been involved with or seen fights happen in person, or are just forming your opinions by irrelevant comparisons (see above).

Assuming no weapons and purely on empty hand techniques, you are comparing

- 6'7, 300+ (offseason) more athletic and EXPLOSIVE individual vs 5'9, 180+ (offseason) less athletic/explosive individual
- concrete ("alleyway")
- clothed (gi vs nogi)

Give any law enforcement or similar employment specialists this exact same scenario with the variables listed without mentioning the names, and they will 9/10 times tell you the same thing. Conor gets mauled easily by blue belt ZIon. 70s' Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris flicks aren't real.

And for the people that don't really seem to comprehend the size difference, here is a comparison photo between Lebron and someone Conor's size, when clothed. Keep in mind that Zion easily has 40 - 50lbs on Lebron any day of the week.

WOW so unbelievably bad.

You tell me I have never been in a fight or seen one and you think a novice will win a fight against a professional fighter that was a 2 division champs. Who btw has some of the most accurate striking in the most competitive prize fighting organization in the world.

They can fight anywhere and zion would seriously get hurt in every scenario unless he hits mcgregor by surprise from behind and runs.

You have no idea how hard it is to throw a punch and to accurately hit someone, to evade punches or just how exhausting 2-3 mins of sparring is. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about at all.

In these scenarios , why do you all think the professional fighter will suddenly forget how to fight.

Zion with a blue belt won't be mauling any professional fighter. And btw a blue belt takes around 2 years.
Greg hardy has been fighting since 2017 and is barely staying competitive vs fringe top 20 guys. Hardy is 6-4 near 300 pounds. He cuts to 265.

[M4P]

Realgm is the place where nba players in 6 months can learn everything.

Zion will learn to wrestle, defend takedowns, learn basic bjj defence, learn to check leg kicks and get striking down.

In 2 years a pro athlete training in a major mma gym taking fighting very serious could possibly learn how to punch properly.

Greg hardy was was a pro bowler and is been training for like 3 years now and he's barely a fringe top 20 in the heavy weight division, which is shallow and doesn't require a lot of skill cause 1 punch and it's night night.

In 2 years zion won't know how to do any of those things. Maybe he will throw a decent 1-2 in a fight or learn some basic bjj skills where he won't be immediately submitted.

You sound misled because you're interpreting this thread as a sanctioned, MMA bout with fixed variables between Zion and Conor. An alleyway brawl is what the prompt asked. If you think modern MMA events are anywhere close to what actual brawls look like, you have either never been involved with or seen fights happen in person, or are just forming your opinions by irrelevant comparisons (see above).

Assuming no weapons and purely on empty hand techniques, you are comparing

- 6'7, 300+ (offseason) more athletic and EXPLOSIVE individual vs 5'9, 180+ (offseason) less athletic/explosive individual
- concrete ("alleyway")
- clothed (gi vs nogi)

Give any law enforcement or similar employment specialists this exact same scenario with the variables listed without mentioning the names, and they will 9/10 times tell you the same thing. Conor gets mauled easily by blue belt ZIon. 70s' Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris flicks aren't real.

And for the people that don't really seem to comprehend the size difference, here is a comparison photo between Lebron and someone Conor's size, when clothed. Keep in mind that Zion easily has 40 - 50lbs on Lebron any day of the week.

WOW so unbelievably bad.

You tell me I have never been in a fight or seen one and you think a novice will win a fight against a professional fighter that was a 2 division champs. Who btw has some of the most accurate striking in the most competitive prize fighting organization in the world.

They can fight anywhere and zion would seriously get hurt in every scenario unless he hits mcgregor by surprise from behind and runs.

You have no idea how hard it is to throw a punch and to accurately hit someone, to evade punches or just how exhausting 2-3 mins of sparring is. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about at all.

In these scenarios , why do you all think the professional fighter will suddenly forget how to fight.

Zion with a blue belt won't be mauling any professional fighter. And btw a blue belt takes around 2 years.
Greg hardy has been fighting since 2017 and is barely staying competitive vs fringe top 20 guys. Hardy is 6-4 near 300 pounds. He cuts to 265.

You are evaluating this scenario on a sporting context when the thread is asking for an "alleyway brawl". I recommend referencing your source material again and self evaluating.

If it took you 2 years to get a blue belt then you were either out of shape when you started, slow mentally and physically, or had horrible coaching and was just being used as a live training dummy by your coach. Or you kept switching gyms. 2-5+ years from Blue to Purple is understandable, but 2+ years at white usually just means you suck. Zion would absolutely be able to get to blue in under a year/couple of months with a proper team surrounding him, no question.

[Jasen777]

A back alley brawl is even more to Conor's advantage. Real fights don't happen on schedule with everyone prepared. And often what is decisive is being the first to throw (and land) and/or being psycho enough to be the first to escalate to doing real permanent damage. That's not going to be Zion.

[REDDzone]

If it took you 2 years to get a blue belt then you were either out of shape when you started, slow mentally and physically, or had horrible coaching and was just being used as a live training dummy by your coach. Or you kept switching gyms. 2-5+ years from Blue to Purple is understandable, but 2+ years at white usually just means you suck. Zion would absolutely be able to get to blue in under a year/couple of months with a proper team surrounding him, no question.

wut

Many people take two years to blue, at highly respected gyms too. I'd say average time is 1.5 to 2 years with consistent training. BJJ isn't a TMA where belts are handed out like candy.

[M4P]

If it took you 2 years to get a blue belt then you were either out of shape when you started, slow mentally and physically, or had horrible coaching and was just being used as a live training dummy by your coach. Or you kept switching gyms. 2-5+ years from Blue to Purple is understandable, but 2+ years at white usually just means you suck. Zion would absolutely be able to get to blue in under a year/couple of months with a proper team surrounding him, no question.

wut

Many people take two years to blue, at highly respected gyms too. I'd say average time is 1.5 to 2 years with consistent training. BJJ isn't a TMA where belts are handed out like candy.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but blue is still a beginner belt. There's a reason why so many people quit after blue. Also under this scenario Zion would be dedicated solely to MMA specific grappling (aka with strikes) . He wouldn't be a hobbyist that has a 9-5 on the side. If you have no other obligations and you are financially set but you still can't get to blue in a year or under then there's something wrong.

[REDDzone]

If it took you 2 years to get a blue belt then you were either out of shape when you started, slow mentally and physically, or had horrible coaching and was just being used as a live training dummy by your coach. Or you kept switching gyms. 2-5+ years from Blue to Purple is understandable, but 2+ years at white usually just means you suck. Zion would absolutely be able to get to blue in under a year/couple of months with a proper team surrounding him, no question.

wut

Many people take two years to blue, at highly respected gyms too. I'd say average time is 1.5 to 2 years with consistent training. BJJ isn't a TMA where belts are handed out like candy.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but blue is still a beginner belt. There's a reason why so many people quit after blue. Also under this scenario Zion would be dedicated solely to MMA specific grappling (aka with strikes) . He wouldn't be a hobbyist that has a 9-5 on the side. If you have no other obligations and you are financially set but you still can't get to blue in a year or under then there's something wrong.

Frankly I'm not even addressing the Zion nonsense because the notion that a basketball player could win a fight versus a former UFC champion is honestly too stupid to deal with.

thx for explaining how blue belts work tho bro

[M4P]

wut

Many people take two years to blue, at highly respected gyms too. I'd say average time is 1.5 to 2 years with consistent training. BJJ isn't a TMA where belts are handed out like candy.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but blue is still a beginner belt. There's a reason why so many people quit after blue. Also under this scenario Zion would be dedicated solely to MMA specific grappling (aka with strikes) . He wouldn't be a hobbyist that has a 9-5 on the side. If you have no other obligations and you are financially set but you still can't get to blue in a year or under then there's something wrong.

Frankly I'm not even addressing the Zion nonsense because the notion that a basketball player could win a fight versus a former UFC champion is honestly too stupid to deal with.

thx for explaining how blue belts work tho bro

that's fine but that doesn't change the fact that the first "real" belt in BJJ that is indicative of whether or not someone is going to stick it out till black is purple.

No problem, you asked I delivered. It's actually pretty fun once you get past the injuries.

[REDDzone]

How big does a UFC champion have to be before they could beat up an NBA player? Could Kumaru do it? How about Izzy? Jones?