The OFFICIAL Paul Brothers Boxing Thread

Dupp · Post #261 » by **Dupp** » Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:55 am

Also those lefts hooks Tito through were um... very non threatening..

cowboyronnie · Post #262 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:46 pm

OMG the Trump **** at the end...with the Triller scumbags and Vitor all kowtowing to him as he looks down from a balcony.

Criminals, cheats, conmen... I guess that's the demo.

Los_29 · Post #263 » by **Los_29** » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:35 pm

Jasen777 wrote:
Los_29 wrote:Sanctioning this Holyfield/Belfort fight is an absolute disgrace.

I hadn't realized that California had refused to do so (because they didn't have time to evaluate Holyfield) and they moved the whole event to Florida.

Yep, Holyfield has actually been denied his license to fight before. The fact someone allowed him to fight at the age of 58 is one of the craziest things I have ever witnessed as a combat sports fan. I knew it was going to end badly when I saw how bad he looked in his open workout. The fact he didn't get put to sleep is actually somewhat of a miracle for him.

Jasen777 · Post #264 » by **Jasen777** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:31 am

This Gore Williams match is amusing.

Susan · Post #265 » by **Susan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:47 am

Jasen777 wrote:This Gore Williams match is amusing.

Was better than expected.

DWill has some hands, Gore had nice power, neither had cardio.

duppyy · Post #266 » by **duppyy** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:27 am

Woodly should retire from fighting.

Jasen777 · Post #267 » by **Jasen777** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:33 am

duppyy wrote:Woodly should retire from fighting.

He just hasn't let his hands go in... I'm not sure I can't even remember.

Post #268 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:33 am

**** hell, that's bad.

Los_29 · Post #269 » by **Los_29** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:11 am

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

Dupp · Post #270 » by **Dupp** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:38 am

I hope the money was worth it

Post #271 » by **Headliner** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:57 am

I’m sure it was. He probably got almost a mill to take a short notice Paul fight. Probably 2 mill like last time.

That’s a nice pay day rolling into 40 years of unemployment and who’s Net worth is listed as 4 mill.

He’s doubled his career ufc earnings with two Paul fights. There’s so much to unpack there

cowboyronnie · Post #272 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:31 pm

The impact of that KO is sickening. I feel physically ill.

cowboyronnie · Post #273 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:02 pm

radeonboy wrote:Jake haha pussying out of a rematch

U know stuff this guy

cowboyronnie · Post #274 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:04 pm

radeonboy wrote:
Jasen777 wrote:Surprised Paul didn't put him away easy. He'll have to be really careful with his next opponent selection.

Woodley made Paul question his fight future. I'm gonna go crazy and predict he stops fighting LOL.

Lol

Susan · Post #275 » by **Susan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:12 pm

Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

Susan · Post #276 » by **Susan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:14 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:The impact of that KO is sickening. I feel physically ill.

Part of the game.

At least he's gotten paid - the bare knuckle retirement plan is just as brutal for barely anything - sadder to think about.

cowboyronnie · Post #277 » by **cowboyronnie** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 6:23 pm

Susan wrote:Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

Maybe. But gloves matter. The extra padding on the knuckles alters how you can throw (it's why Woodleys power didn't carry). Diaz's slappy **** to the body and the tapping w his lead and the stance switches wont work.

Plus, the lack of making angles with his feet will catch up with him. The diaz's rely on angling their arms around the meager guard of someone holding 4oz gloves. But in boxing you gotta angle and set with your feet.

Los_29 · Post #278 » by **Los_29** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:08 pm

Susan wrote:Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

That's the thing, he doesn't. Diaz has a great chin, throws with high volume but has poor defense and has no pop especially at the weight he will be fighting Paul at. His power at 190 will be laughable. Diaz could get away with fighting that style in MMA against guys who are LW's and WW's but Paul is significantly bigger.

Paul can put Diaz's lights out. It pains me to say that but it could be a very rough night for Diaz and even Jorge.

Susan · Post #279 » by **Susan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:21 pm

Los_29 wrote:
Susan wrote:Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

That's the thing, he doesn't. Diaz has a great chin, throws with high volume but has poor defense and has no pop especially at the weight he will be fighting Paul at. His power at 190 will be laughable. Diaz could get away with fighting that style in MMA against guys who are LW's and WW's but Paul is significantly bigger.

Paul can put Diaz's lights out. It pains me to say that but it could be a very rough night for Diaz and even Jorge.

Going to preface this - I'm by no means a striking expert so I could absolutely be wrong but they've spent 15+ years boxing and are tried and true against high level competitors.

-Woodley was an elite athlete who always had people afraid of his takedowns and had explosive power to put out anybody's lights - he never straight up boxed. So when you put him out there, with diminished explosiveness and no threat of a takedown, his lack of technical ability gets exposed
-Diaz Bros have pretty much trained the opposite way from what I can gather. They straight up boxed and straight up did BJJ with very little inbetween game and elite cardio. While unorthodox, they have enough scalps on their wall that their combo of technique and cardio has to be something that's respected and considering how they did it, something that could transfer over to straight boxing

Of course he'd have to make technical adjustments to account for the size difference and different gloves, but he's adept enough to do so because he's got the hours in the ring with legit dudes.

In this instance, the power does not matter - it's the pace. You get dragged out too far outside of your comfort zone and you're overwhelmed cardiovascularly - you'll find a way out of the fight.

Jorge would just whoop that ass.

Susan · Post #280 » by **Susan** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:34 pm

cowboyronnie wrote:
Susan wrote:Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

Maybe. But gloves matter. The extra padding on the knuckles alters how you can throw (it's why Woodleys power didn't carry). Diaz's slappy **** to the body and the tapping w his lead and the stance switches wont work.

Plus, the lack of making angles with his feet will catch up with him. The diaz's rely on angling their arms around the meager guard of someone holding 4oz gloves. But in boxing you gotta angle and set with your feet.

Posted it a ltitle bit above but the Diaz Bros have been training with legit boxers forever now?

They're technically adept to know what works for them with smaller gloves and what works for them with bigger gloves.

Anderson's game translated over well to boxing because none of his MMA game was dependent on getting a takedown and additionally, he didn't have to worry about getting taken down at all so there's more mental ability there to focus just on the striking.

You give some pretty decent athlete kid 4 years with excellent grappling training, they're going to be able to beat somebody like Wonderboy Thompson in a grappling match. You put them up against somebody like Demian Maia or Ben Askren, they get embarrassed pretty bad. The dudes who are specialists in MMA at one skill are pretty freaking good - the Diaz' Bros at their peak were some of the highest level technical boxers IMO and technique like that will always prevail.