The OFFICIAL Paul Brothers Boxing Thread

[Los_29]

Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

That's the thing, he doesn't. Diaz has a great chin, throws with high volume but has poor defense and has no pop especially at the weight he will be fighting Paul at. His power at 190 will be laughable. Diaz could get away with fighting that style in MMA against guys who are LW's and WW's but Paul is significantly bigger.

Paul can put Diaz's lights out. It pains me to say that but it could be a very rough night for Diaz and even Jorge.

Going to preface this - I'm by no means a striking expert so I could absolutely be wrong but they've spent 15+ years boxing and are tried and true against high level competitors.

-Woodley was an elite athlete who always had people afraid of his takedowns and had explosive power to put out anybody's lights - he never straight up boxed. So when you put him out there, with diminished explosiveness and no threat of a takedown, his lack of technical ability gets exposed
-Diaz Bros have pretty much trained the opposite way from what I can gather. They straight up boxed and straight up did BJJ with very little inbetween game and elite cardio. While unorthodox, they have enough scalps on their wall that their combo of technique and cardio has to be something that's respected and considering how they did it, something that could transfer over to straight boxing

Of course he'd have to make technical adjustments to account for the size difference and different gloves, but he's adept enough to do so because he's got the hours in the ring with legit dudes.

In this instance, the power does not matter - it's the pace. You get dragged out too far outside of your comfort zone and you're overwhelmed cardiovascularly - you'll find a way out of the fight.

Jorge would just whoop that ass.

I agree with a lot of what you said there. But while they do have far better boxing acumen than Tyron they certainly didn't fight better competition than Tyron has. The matter in which they won their fights though was drastically different as Diaz won by constantly walking his opponent down, throwing high volume and just eventually breaking his opponent down. It's very hard to beat Diaz on the feet in a 5 round MMA fight. However, it's only hard for fighters who are 155-170lbs who can't get Diaz to the ground. If Diaz can take Paul's punches, he can win. But I don't think he'll be able to.

Contrary to popular belief, Tyron did actually box. He went to Wild Card Gym and got trained by Eric Brown more than a decade ago. Not sure how consistently he went but I know he did at least train with him on and off for awhile. But given that he was still competing in MMA, I'm sure a lot of what he was doing was built around other aspects of MMA. Like you said, Woodley always had that wrestling threat and he was able to land that overhand on fighters who were constantly worried about that takedown. In straight boxing, Woodley's overhand can be seen from a mile away that even a guy like Jake Paul could see it coming. Woodley didn't have pop at 190 and he didn't have the boxing ability to outbox Paul for 8 rounds. Low volume, no variety in his punches and undersized was a great stylistic matchup for Paul lol.

I would absolutely favour Diaz against Paul if he was better defensively. But he's not, he gets beat up in every fight he's in. He's very easy to hit and has been relying on his chin and volume his entire career. Against someone who walks around at 215lbs that is usually a recipe for disaster. Jake Paul absolutely has the ability to KO Diaz and I never thought I'd say that.

And with Masvidal, he doesn't have the power to get Paul out of there. He certainly has better hands than Tyron but having good hands doesn't mean you're a good boxer. Masvidal is another guy that fought at LW and Paul would have a significant size advantage.

[Susan]

That's the thing, he doesn't. Diaz has a great chin, throws with high volume but has poor defense and has no pop especially at the weight he will be fighting Paul at. His power at 190 will be laughable. Diaz could get away with fighting that style in MMA against guys who are LW's and WW's but Paul is significantly bigger.

Paul can put Diaz's lights out. It pains me to say that but it could be a very rough night for Diaz and even Jorge.

Going to preface this - I'm by no means a striking expert so I could absolutely be wrong but they've spent 15+ years boxing and are tried and true against high level competitors.

-Woodley was an elite athlete who always had people afraid of his takedowns and had explosive power to put out anybody's lights - he never straight up boxed. So when you put him out there, with diminished explosiveness and no threat of a takedown, his lack of technical ability gets exposed
-Diaz Bros have pretty much trained the opposite way from what I can gather. They straight up boxed and straight up did BJJ with very little inbetween game and elite cardio. While unorthodox, they have enough scalps on their wall that their combo of technique and cardio has to be something that's respected and considering how they did it, something that could transfer over to straight boxing

Of course he'd have to make technical adjustments to account for the size difference and different gloves, but he's adept enough to do so because he's got the hours in the ring with legit dudes.

In this instance, the power does not matter - it's the pace. You get dragged out too far outside of your comfort zone and you're overwhelmed cardiovascularly - you'll find a way out of the fight.

Jorge would just whoop that ass.

I agree with a lot of what you said there. But while they do have far better boxing acumen than Tyron they certainly didn't fight better competition than Tyron has. The matter in which they won their fights though was drastically different as Diaz won by constantly walking his opponent down, throwing high volume and just eventually breaking his opponent down. It's very hard to beat Diaz on the feet in a 5 round MMA fight. However, it's only hard for fighters who are 155-170lbs who can't get Diaz to the ground. If Diaz can take Paul's punches, he can win. But I don't think he'll be able to.

Contrary to popular belief, Tyron did actually box. He went to Wild Card Gym and got trained by Eric Brown more than a decade ago. Not sure how consistently he went but I know he did at least train with him on and off for awhile. But given that he was still competing in MMA, I'm sure a lot of what he was doing was built around other aspects of MMA. Like you said, Woodley always had that wrestling threat and he was able to land that overhand on fighters who were constantly worried about that takedown. In straight boxing, Woodley's overhand can be seen from a mile away that even a guy like Jake Paul could see it coming. Woodley didn't have pop at 190 and he didn't have the boxing ability to outbox Paul for 8 rounds. Low volume, no variety in his punches and undersized was a great stylistic matchup for Paul lol.

I would absolutely favour Diaz against Paul if he was better defensively. But he's not, he gets beat up in every fight he's in. He's very easy to hit and has been relying on his chin and volume his entire career. Against someone who walks around at 215lbs that is usually a recipe for disaster. Jake Paul absolutely has the ability to KO Diaz and I never thought I'd say that.

And with Masvidal, he doesn't have the power to get Paul out of there. He certainly has better hands than Tyron but having good hands doesn't mean you're a good boxer. Masvidal is another guy that fought at LW and Paul would have a significant size advantage.

Good post!

One last point - Woodley was somebody who heavily relied on his athletic advantage in MMA, that does not age well (unless your name is Yoel Romero) and his psyche has been questioned since even before he lost the belt. His last moment of OMG athleticism was in 2016 which is 6.5 years ago now. He got beat down badly in his last 4 fights in the UFC, he's well off from his peak right now.

Elite cardiovascular endurance is something that ages well - the two best marathoners are 37 & 39 years old right now and Diaz in particular relies on this more than pretty much anybody else in the sport. If NIck hadn't spent the last 6 years abusing his body with booze - he would still be awfully close to his peak.

[cowboyronnie]

Diaz has the technical skills to beat him.

Maybe. But gloves matter. The extra padding on the knuckles alters how you can throw (it's why Woodleys power didn't carry). Diaz's slappy **** to the body and the tapping w his lead and the stance switches wont work.

Plus, the lack of making angles with his feet will catch up with him. The diaz's rely on angling their arms around the meager guard of someone holding 4oz gloves. But in boxing you gotta angle and set with your feet.

Posted it a ltitle bit above but the Diaz Bros have been training with legit boxers forever now?

They're technically adept to know what works for them with smaller gloves and what works for them with bigger gloves.

Anderson's game translated over well to boxing because none of his MMA game was dependent on getting a takedown and additionally, he didn't have to worry about getting taken down at all so there's more mental ability there to focus just on the striking.

You give some pretty decent athlete kid 4 years with excellent grappling training, they're going to be able to beat somebody like Wonderboy Thompson in a grappling match. You put them up against somebody like Demian Maia or Ben Askren, they get embarrassed pretty bad. The dudes who are specialists in MMA at one skill are pretty freaking good - the Diaz' Bros at their peak were some of the highest level technical boxers IMO and technique like that will always prevail.

I have to admit that I don't know the Diaz brothers do *anything*. And you're certainty right that they appear to have been boxing and kickboxing, with sparring gloves on, against a lot of legit strikers for a decade+. Andre Ward, Joe Schilling, etc.

But my money is still on a fraction of their MMA boxing translating to actual boxing. Like, you can't open your combo with a slap (followed by a 2) in boxing gloves...they don't open and because of aerodynamics. I don't think you can do those back-handed flicking jabs either...you're not allowed to hit with the top of your knuckles and you've got an extra 6 ozers of weight on your hands.

That said, it's a mystery to me that they are able to succeed in MMA. Anderson Silva had laser straight punches, a mastery of range, and throws from his core. It's not a great surprise that he could hang in boxing.

[Los_29]

Going to preface this - I'm by no means a striking expert so I could absolutely be wrong but they've spent 15+ years boxing and are tried and true against high level competitors.

-Woodley was an elite athlete who always had people afraid of his takedowns and had explosive power to put out anybody's lights - he never straight up boxed. So when you put him out there, with diminished explosiveness and no threat of a takedown, his lack of technical ability gets exposed
-Diaz Bros have pretty much trained the opposite way from what I can gather. They straight up boxed and straight up did BJJ with very little inbetween game and elite cardio. While unorthodox, they have enough scalps on their wall that their combo of technique and cardio has to be something that's respected and considering how they did it, something that could transfer over to straight boxing

Of course he'd have to make technical adjustments to account for the size difference and different gloves, but he's adept enough to do so because he's got the hours in the ring with legit dudes.

In this instance, the power does not matter - it's the pace. You get dragged out too far outside of your comfort zone and you're overwhelmed cardiovascularly - you'll find a way out of the fight.

Jorge would just whoop that ass.

I agree with a lot of what you said there. But while they do have far better boxing acumen than Tyron they certainly didn't fight better competition than Tyron has. The matter in which they won their fights though was drastically different as Diaz won by constantly walking his opponent down, throwing high volume and just eventually breaking his opponent down. It's very hard to beat Diaz on the feet in a 5 round MMA fight. However, it's only hard for fighters who are 155-170lbs who can't get Diaz to the ground. If Diaz can take Paul's punches, he can win. But I don't think he'll be able to.

Contrary to popular belief, Tyron did actually box. He went to Wild Card Gym and got trained by Eric Brown more than a decade ago. Not sure how consistently he went but I know he did at least train with him on and off for awhile. But given that he was still competing in MMA, I'm sure a lot of what he was doing was built around other aspects of MMA. Like you said, Woodley always had that wrestling threat and he was able to land that overhand on fighters who were constantly worried about that takedown. In straight boxing, Woodley's overhand can be seen from a mile away that even a guy like Jake Paul could see it coming. Woodley didn't have pop at 190 and he didn't have the boxing ability to outbox Paul for 8 rounds. Low volume, no variety in his punches and undersized was a great stylistic matchup for Paul lol.

I would absolutely favour Diaz against Paul if he was better defensively. But he's not, he gets beat up in every fight he's in. He's very easy to hit and has been relying on his chin and volume his entire career. Against someone who walks around at 215lbs that is usually a recipe for disaster. Jake Paul absolutely has the ability to KO Diaz and I never thought I'd say that.

And with Masvidal, he doesn't have the power to get Paul out of there. He certainly has better hands than Tyron but having good hands doesn't mean you're a good boxer. Masvidal is another guy that fought at LW and Paul would have a significant size advantage.

Good post!

One last point - Woodley was somebody who heavily relied on his athletic advantage in MMA, that does not age well (unless your name is Yoel Romero) and his psyche has been questioned since even before he lost the belt. His last moment of OMG athleticism was in 2016 which is 6.5 years ago now. He got beat down badly in his last 4 fights in the UFC, he's well off from his peak right now.

Elite cardiovascular endurance is something that ages well - the two best marathoners are 37 & 39 years old right now and Diaz in particular relies on this more than pretty much anybody else in the sport. If NIck hadn't spent the last 6 years abusing his body with booze - he would still be awfully close to his peak.

Agreed, Diaz and Masvidal rely far more on their skills than Tyron does. I just wish they were a bit bigger. If they were of equal size to Paul they would both beat the brakes off of him.

[RoyceDa59]

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

[Los_29]

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

First off, I don't see anywhere in my post where I'm hating on Paul. I actually said he would likely beat Diaz AND Masvidal if they fought.

Secondly, saying that there is no one in the UFC within his weight range that could beat Paul in a boxing match is honestly one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this forum. Israel Adesanya would beat the brakes off of Jake Paul and it wouldn't even be competitive. There are a handful of MW/LHW fighters that would also batter Paul around the ring in a boxing match. But I will say this, it's a lot less than people think.

Paul won't move onto boxers because 1) the boxers with popularity just so happen to be elite at what they do (this is why he's trying to fight Fury because Fury is a reality TV star with no boxing background who happens to be Tyson Fury's half-brother) and 2) the low-level boxers that he can beat don't have a name therefore no money is in it. MMA fighters are perfect because you can fight guys with a name behind them and people would view it as a big step up in competition even though an MMA fighter may not actually be a good boxer. You can easily be a good-great MMA fighter without having any striking ability at all.

There is more money to be made fighting MMA fighters. The moment Paul fights a legitimate boxer is the moment this show comes to an end.

[Susan]

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[Susan]

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

You're lucky Mike Perry is no longer in the UFC because he'd be coming to your house for such a bad post.

[Dupp]

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Anyway this tweet led to another tweet where Nate pretends to throw at someone and they nearly fall over from flinching. Funny stuff.

Nates a douche too but likeable

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[Dupp]

That punch was so forecasted and Tyron just dropped his hand and said here kill me.


I didn't watch but assume he was hurting his body prior. Really bad choice. Pretty brutal.

[Jasen777]

You give some pretty decent athlete kid 4 years with excellent grappling training, they're going to be able to beat somebody like Wonderboy Thompson in a grappling match. You put them up against somebody like Demian Maia or Ben Askren, they get embarrassed pretty bad. The dudes who are specialists in MMA at one skill are pretty freaking good - the Diaz' Bros at their peak were some of the highest level technical boxers IMO and technique like that will always prevail.

I don't know how either Diaz would do against Paul in a boxing match. But they're just two guys who trained boxing right? They aren't close to being boxing specialists the way Askren was a wrestling specialist. Askren was a collegiate champion and Olympic competitor. You have to be a top 10 boxer at your weight class to be roughly equivalent.

[Susan]

You give some pretty decent athlete kid 4 years with excellent grappling training, they're going to be able to beat somebody like Wonderboy Thompson in a grappling match. You put them up against somebody like Demian Maia or Ben Askren, they get embarrassed pretty bad. The dudes who are specialists in MMA at one skill are pretty freaking good - the Diaz' Bros at their peak were some of the highest level technical boxers IMO and technique like that will always prevail.

I don't know how either Diaz would do against Paul in a boxing match. But they're just two guys who trained boxing right? They aren't close to being boxing specialists the way Askren was a wrestling specialist. Askren was a collegiate champion and Olympic competitor. You have to be a top 10 boxer at your weight class to be roughly equivalent.

For 15+ years at this point and have extensive combat experience at the highest level. Not quite Askren level but a tier below a Izzy/Alex Pereira type. Good catch.

[Cavsfansince84]

That punch was so forecasted and Tyron just dropped his hand and said here kill me.


I didn't watch but assume he was hurting his body prior. Really bad choice. Pretty brutal.

He'd been using body shots to eventually open up the head shot when Tyron dropped his hand before that. So as soon as he saw the hand drop he took it up and ko'd him.

[Cavsfansince84]

You give some pretty decent athlete kid 4 years with excellent grappling training, they're going to be able to beat somebody like Wonderboy Thompson in a grappling match. You put them up against somebody like Demian Maia or Ben Askren, they get embarrassed pretty bad. The dudes who are specialists in MMA at one skill are pretty freaking good - the Diaz' Bros at their peak were some of the highest level technical boxers IMO and technique like that will always prevail.

I don't know how either Diaz would do against Paul in a boxing match. But they're just two guys who trained boxing right? They aren't close to being boxing specialists the way Askren was a wrestling specialist. Askren was a collegiate champion and Olympic competitor. You have to be a top 10 boxer at your weight class to be roughly equivalent.

I think Nick is more of a real boxer and bigger so that would be a better fight. I don't think Nate would do much. Most mma guys are not capable of doing good boxing defense with gloves and head movement. Its two different worlds outside of being able to throw a punch. mma guys talk all this **** because its about looking tough and their ego but they are at a big disadvantage in a real boxing match. Plus they all want that check.

[BlackThought]

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

First off, I don't see anywhere in my post where I'm hating on Paul. I actually said he would likely beat Diaz AND Masvidal if they fought.

Secondly, saying that there is no one in the UFC within his weight range that could beat Paul in a boxing match is honestly one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this forum. Israel Adesanya would beat the brakes off of Jake Paul and it wouldn't even be competitive. There are a handful of MW/LHW fighters that would also batter Paul around the ring in a boxing match. But I will say this, it's a lot less than people think.

Paul won't move onto boxers because 1) the boxers with popularity just so happen to be elite at what they do (this is why he's trying to fight Fury because Fury is a reality TV star with no boxing background who happens to be Tyson Fury's half-brother) and 2) the low-level boxers that he can beat don't have a name therefore no money is in it. MMA fighters are perfect because you can fight guys with a name behind them and people would view it as a big step up in competition even though an MMA fighter may not actually be a good boxer. You can easily be a good-great MMA fighter without having any striking ability at all.

There is more money to be made fighting MMA fighters. The moment Paul fights a legitimate boxer is the moment this show comes to an end.

lol bro nobody have ever heard of Ben Askren or Tyron Woodley outside of UFC fans and I doubt any of them bought the fight. Jake Paul is the main draw of his fight and people will definitely pay to see him fight a professional boxer no matter who it is. The reason why he doesn't fight pros with a name is simply because they would just destroy him. He's fighting MMA guys because MMA guys can't box and casuals like you think that they can so beating them makes it seem like a bigger deal than it actually is.

Mcgregor isn't a bad striker is he? You watch him against Mayweather it's apparant that Conor doesn't know how to properly throw a punch.

[cowboyronnie]

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

You think Paul beats Alex Pereirra and Adesanya??

[Los_29]

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

First off, I don't see anywhere in my post where I'm hating on Paul. I actually said he would likely beat Diaz AND Masvidal if they fought.

Secondly, saying that there is no one in the UFC within his weight range that could beat Paul in a boxing match is honestly one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this forum. Israel Adesanya would beat the brakes off of Jake Paul and it wouldn't even be competitive. There are a handful of MW/LHW fighters that would also batter Paul around the ring in a boxing match. But I will say this, it's a lot less than people think.

Paul won't move onto boxers because 1) the boxers with popularity just so happen to be elite at what they do (this is why he's trying to fight Fury because Fury is a reality TV star with no boxing background who happens to be Tyson Fury's half-brother) and 2) the low-level boxers that he can beat don't have a name therefore no money is in it. MMA fighters are perfect because you can fight guys with a name behind them and people would view it as a big step up in competition even though an MMA fighter may not actually be a good boxer. You can easily be a good-great MMA fighter without having any striking ability at all.

There is more money to be made fighting MMA fighters. The moment Paul fights a legitimate boxer is the moment this show comes to an end.

lol bro nobody have ever heard of Ben Askren or Tyron Woodley outside of UFC fans and I doubt any of them bought the fight. Jake Paul is the main draw of his fight and people will definitely pay to see him fight a professional boxer no matter who it is. The reason why he doesn't fight pros with a name is simply because they would just destroy him. He's fighting MMA guys because MMA guys can't box and casuals like you think that they can so beating them makes it seem like a bigger deal than it actually is.

Mcgregor isn't a bad striker is he? You watch him against Mayweather it's apparant that Conor doesn't know how to properly throw a punch.

Tyron Woodley was a UFC champion and Askren got viciously KO'd by one of the most popular UFC fighters in Jorge Masvidal. Askren and Woodley had names in MMA and were seen as a significant step up from fighting guys like KSI and Nate Robinson.

And no, Jake Paul fighting some no name boxer from the Ukraine or something isn't going to sell. Why in the world would he fight a legitimate pro boxer for a fraction of what he would make fighting UFC WW's? Why do you think he's trying to fight Fury? Fury has a big name and he's not a good boxer.

Jake Paul isn't going to fight a credible boxer because he's going to get starched (So I agree with you there). Trust me, he's going to milk this thing for awhile. He's already calling out Gamebred, he wants Diaz. He likely beats both those guys.

And who are you calling a casual? When did I say MMA fighters can box? Not many of them can but you're fooling yourself if you don't think some can. It's abundantly clear who the casual is. You don't even know the backgrounds of MMA fighters.

[Los_29]

I think there are many problems here. Contrary to popular opinion, Woodley can't actually box. At WW he had a powerful overhand right. But at 190lbs with 10oz gloves on, that power becomes relatively average and he doesn't have the takedown threat to set up that overhand right.

Paul isn't a great boxer, he's not really even a good boxer. But he's far bigger than Tyron and he's juiced to the gills with the best trainers, nutritionists money can buy. I honestly don't think Diaz beats Paul. There is a significant size disparity between the two and Diaz just doesn't have the pop to bother Paul. Masvidal is far more interesting but he won't be able to get out of his contract. But even then, you're talking about a guy who fought at LW and WW in MMA.

Paul is selecting his opponents well because any MW in MMA with decent boxing ability would absolutely destroy Paul.

I want an MMA to guy to beat Paul. Top boxers just aren't interesting enough because it wouldn't be a competitive fight. Paul vs MMA is the angle to take here lol.

There’s not a single guy in the UFC who could beat Paul in a boxing match (within his weight range). He’s done KOing former UFC champs, he’ll move onto boxers now.

Quit hating on him.

You think Paul beats Alex Pereirra and Adesanya??

Exactly, they'd completely annihilate Paul.

Let's not forget that Woodley actually won rounds against Paul and Woodley flat out can't box. And he's a WW. There are absolutely some MW fighters in the UFC that could beat Paul and there are most certainly some UFC LHW's that can beat him as well.

I know he's not in the UFC but does anyone honestly think that Anderson Silva wouldn't box Paul's face off? lol

[BlackThought]

I think you replied to the wrong person.

First off, I don't see anywhere in my post where I'm hating on Paul. I actually said he would likely beat Diaz AND Masvidal if they fought.

Secondly, saying that there is no one in the UFC within his weight range that could beat Paul in a boxing match is honestly one of the worst takes I have ever seen on this forum. Israel Adesanya would beat the brakes off of Jake Paul and it wouldn't even be competitive. There are a handful of MW/LHW fighters that would also batter Paul around the ring in a boxing match. But I will say this, it's a lot less than people think.

Paul won't move onto boxers because 1) the boxers with popularity just so happen to be elite at what they do (this is why he's trying to fight Fury because Fury is a reality TV star with no boxing background who happens to be Tyson Fury's half-brother) and 2) the low-level boxers that he can beat don't have a name therefore no money is in it. MMA fighters are perfect because you can fight guys with a name behind them and people would view it as a big step up in competition even though an MMA fighter may not actually be a good boxer. You can easily be a good-great MMA fighter without having any striking ability at all.

There is more money to be made fighting MMA fighters. The moment Paul fights a legitimate boxer is the moment this show comes to an end.

lol bro nobody have ever heard of Ben Askren or Tyron Woodley outside of UFC fans and I doubt any of them bought the fight. Jake Paul is the main draw of his fight and people will definitely pay to see him fight a professional boxer no matter who it is. The reason why he doesn't fight pros with a name is simply because they would just destroy him. He's fighting MMA guys because MMA guys can't box and casuals like you think that they can so beating them makes it seem like a bigger deal than it actually is.

Mcgregor isn't a bad striker is he? You watch him against Mayweather it's apparant that Conor doesn't know how to properly throw a punch.

Tyron Woodley was a UFC champion and Askren got viciously KO'd by one of the most popular UFC fighters in Jorge Masvidal. Askren and Woodley had names in MMA and were seen as a significant step up from fighting guys like KSI and Nate Robinson.

And no, Jake Paul fighting some no name boxer from the Ukraine or something isn't going to sell. Why in the world would he fight a legitimate pro boxer for a fraction of what he would make fighting UFC WW's? Why do you think he's trying to fight Fury? Fury has a big name and he's not a good boxer.

Jake Paul isn't going to fight a credible boxer because he's going to get starched (So I agree with you there). Trust me, he's going to milk this thing for awhile. He's already calling out Gamebred, he wants Diaz. He likely beats both those guys.

And who are you calling a casual? When did I say MMA fighters can box? Not many of them can but you're fooling yourself if you don't think some can. It's abundantly clear who the casual is. You don't even know the backgrounds of MMA fighters.

Paul and Askren did 1.5 mil ppv buys, you are delusional if you think even a tenth of those buys came from Askren fans. People bought the fight because it's the first time that Paul is fighting an athlete that does combat sport. That's the draw, not the actual fighter. If Paul decides to fight an actual boxer, even a retired one with a name, it would do huge numbers because people want to see him lose.

My point is Paul is the main draw, the game is to fight guys that casual fans think might beat Paul but in reality likely wouldn't beat him. Fighting guys from the ufc is perfect because non boxing fans don't have a clue that those guys can't actually box. They see combat sports and just assume that it'll carry over. Fighting pro boxers is too risky because even an old roy jones would likely knock Paul the **** out, so it's a lose lose situation for Paul.

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lol bro nobody have ever heard of Ben Askren or Tyron Woodley outside of UFC fans and I doubt any of them bought the fight. Jake Paul is the main draw of his fight and people will definitely pay to see him fight a professional boxer no matter who it is. The reason why he doesn't fight pros with a name is simply because they would just destroy him. He's fighting MMA guys because MMA guys can't box and casuals like you think that they can so beating them makes it seem like a bigger deal than it actually is.

Mcgregor isn't a bad striker is he? You watch him against Mayweather it's apparant that Conor doesn't know how to properly throw a punch.

Tyron Woodley was a UFC champion and Askren got viciously KO'd by one of the most popular UFC fighters in Jorge Masvidal. Askren and Woodley had names in MMA and were seen as a significant step up from fighting guys like KSI and Nate Robinson.

And no, Jake Paul fighting some no name boxer from the Ukraine or something isn't going to sell. Why in the world would he fight a legitimate pro boxer for a fraction of what he would make fighting UFC WW's? Why do you think he's trying to fight Fury? Fury has a big name and he's not a good boxer.

Jake Paul isn't going to fight a credible boxer because he's going to get starched (So I agree with you there). Trust me, he's going to milk this thing for awhile. He's already calling out Gamebred, he wants Diaz. He likely beats both those guys.

And who are you calling a casual? When did I say MMA fighters can box? Not many of them can but you're fooling yourself if you don't think some can. It's abundantly clear who the casual is. You don't even know the backgrounds of MMA fighters.

Paul and Askren did 1.5 mil ppv buys, you are delusional if you think even a tenth of those buys came from Askren fans. People bought the fight because it's the first time that Paul is fighting an athlete that does combat sport. That's the draw, not the actual fighter. If Paul decides to fight an actual boxer, even a retired one with a name, it would do huge numbers because people want to see him lose.

My point is Paul is the main draw, the game is to fight guys that casual fans think might beat Paul but in reality likely wouldn't beat him. Fighting guys from the ufc is perfect because non boxing fans don't have a clue that those guys can't actually box. They see combat sports and just assume that it'll carry over. Fighting pro boxers is too risky because even an old roy jones would likely knock Paul the **** out, so it's a lose lose situation for Paul.

Your reading comprehension is astonishingly bad. Yes, people bought that fight because Askren was seen as a big step up in competition and people bought the first Woodley fight because it was seen as an even bigger step up in competition. You're fooling yourself if you think Woodley and Askren aren't big names in the sport. Woodley was a UFC champion and Askren got viciously KO'd by one of the most popular MMA fighters in the world in Masvidal. Both Woodley and Askren have big social media followings. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are big draws, they are most certainly not. However, they are way bigger draws then fighting some random pro boxer.

Yes, I agree, Paul is the main draw but there is far more money involved fighting UFC fighters than average pro boxers. The pro boxers that Paul could fight that would sell amazingly well would completely annihilate Paul inside 2-3 rounds. So he's clearly not going to fight them because that means the show is over. Yes, Paul fighting a decent pro boxer would sell okay. But Paul fighting a UFC fighter sells much better. Go look at the 25th ranked cruiserweight and tell me if you've ever heard of him. No you haven't because the cruiserweight division is completely dead in boxing. We are talking about a difference of 5-10 million fighting UFC guys as opposed to cruiserweight boxers.

And most MMA fighters cannot box. But some definitely can. The way you are wording it is as if ALL MMA fighters can't box. And I'm sure you know that's not true. If you aren't a casual you'd realize that though.