OT: Pacquiao... he deserves this on a basketball forum.

[mowcrowbar]

It’s crazy how small these great fighters are. They’re 5’7” toothpicks.

New to combat sports are we?

[Up-And-Coming]

It’s crazy how small these great fighters are. They’re 5’7” toothpicks.

New to combat sports are we?

Ya Floyd is only 5'8" and McGregor and Canelo are only 5'9". These guys are about average height like the rest of society haha.

[DCasey91]

It’s crazy how small these great fighters are. They’re 5’7” toothpicks.

New to combat sports are we?

Ya Floyd is only 5'8" and McGregor and Canelo are only 5'9". These guys are about average height like the rest of society haha.

Unless your an old Irish man at the pub or a random Hawaiian I wouldn’t want to mess with them lol.

Khabib is 5”10 and BJ is 5”8”.

They are bred to kill.

[Up-And-Coming]

New to combat sports are we?

Ya Floyd is only 5'8" and McGregor and Canelo are only 5'9". These guys are about average height like the rest of society haha.

Unless your an old Irish man at the pub or a random Hawaiian I wouldn’t want to mess with them lol.

Khabib is 5”10 and BJ is 5”8”.

They are bred to kill.

I'm sure they can crack. Pacquiao at 5'6" handled Margarito at 5'11", who's a legit professional boxer. Retired Floyd at 5'8" defeat Logan Paul at 6'2". When it comes to fighting, these guys can handle dudes 6 inches taller and 40 pounds heavier.

[axeman23]

Strong a case as anybody? Not as strong as Floyd...and Floyd put Pacman in his place.

Great fighter nonetheless. Nothing wrong with being top 5.

Pacman's arm was messed up when he fought Floyd. That loss is meaningless.

Sounds like an excuse to me. He could have postponed the fight.

By taking the fight, he was trying to set himself up for best of both worlds:

1. If he wins, "I beat Mayweather with a bum arm"
2. If he loses, "I had an injury" and his fans will keep repeating it for him

If he's healthy enough to get into the ring, he keeps that L if he loses.

Pacquiao's team requested (and was denied) a pre-fight pain-killing injection of totally legal nature, Toradol. Meanwhile Floyd got a pre-fight IV treatment administered at home, "ammounting to 16% of the total average male's blood quantity, containing saline, multivitamins and vitamin C." Illegal under WADA rules pre-competition, as it could be used to mask performance-enhancers. USADA authorized Mayweather's IV injections, but the NCAC was not told about them until post-fight.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2015/09/09/floyd-mayweather-illegal-iv-injection-manny-pacquiao

Pacquiao got surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff within a week after the fight, kind of a long way to go for an "excuse". Also negotiations had gone on for over 5 years to get the FIRST fight, Pacquiao post-pones, it might be ANOTHER 6 years...

"An analysis of Pacquiao’s fight by Gordon Marino of The Wall Street Journal suggests that Pacquiao’s injury could have affected his performance. He only threw 16 right-handed jabs per round compared to his normal average of 26. Only 18 of those jabs connected with Mayweather all night. Pacquiao barely used the right hook that he usually delivers after a straight left. And he only threw 429 punches in the entire fight, 50% lower than his average and his lowest total ever in a fight. We can only speculate whether Floyd Mayweather’s strategy caused those changes or if Pacquiao’s bum shoulder did."

The above quote is from this article, by an Orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist, here:

https://www.drdavidgeier.com/manny-pacquiao-shoulder-rotator-cuff-tear/

[HeartBreakKid]

If that's the last we see of the Pac-Man and it's likely it is what a great champion we witnessed. 12 time champ in 8 weight divisions he has as strong of case as anybody to be considered the G.O.A.T. What a warrior! Manny took on anybody and everybody multiple times and even captured the welterweight strap at age 40!!! Even in his advanced age he had current title holders shook signing Contracts with both Spence/Crawford before the fights fell apart due to them ducking and faking injuries. I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge Manny "Pac-Man" Pacquiao for setting an awesome example to all future generations he is truly a gladiator.

Strong a case as anybody? Not as strong as Floyd...and Floyd put Pacman in his place.

Great fighter nonetheless. Nothing wrong with being top 5.

You know Floyd is bigger than him right...? He's not considered an all time great because he was undefeated (he had been beaten before he was even famous). It's because he's beaten people in many weight classes.

[Noctilux]

Pacman's arm was messed up when he fought Floyd. That loss is meaningless.

Sounds like an excuse to me. He could have postponed the fight.

By taking the fight, he was trying to set himself up for best of both worlds:

1. If he wins, "I beat Mayweather with a bum arm"
2. If he loses, "I had an injury" and his fans will keep repeating it for him

If he's healthy enough to get into the ring, he keeps that L if he loses.

Pacquiao's team requested (and was denied) a pre-fight pain-killing injection of totally legal nature, Toradol. Meanwhile Floyd got a pre-fight IV treatment administered at home, "ammounting to 16% of the total average male's blood quantity, containing saline, multivitamins and vitamin C." Illegal under WADA rules pre-competition, as it could be used to mask performance-enhancers. USADA authorized Mayweather's IV injections, but the NCAC was not told about them until post-fight.

https://www.si.com/boxing/2015/09/09/floyd-mayweather-illegal-iv-injection-manny-pacquiao

Pacquiao got surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff within a week after the fight, kind of a long way to go for an "excuse". Also negotiations had gone on for over 5 years to get the FIRST fight, Pacquiao post-pones, it might be ANOTHER 6 years...

"An analysis of Pacquiao’s fight by Gordon Marino of The Wall Street Journal suggests that Pacquiao’s injury could have affected his performance. He only threw 16 right-handed jabs per round compared to his normal average of 26. Only 18 of those jabs connected with Mayweather all night. Pacquiao barely used the right hook that he usually delivers after a straight left. And he only threw 429 punches in the entire fight, 50% lower than his average and his lowest total ever in a fight. We can only speculate whether Floyd Mayweather’s strategy caused those changes or if Pacquiao’s bum shoulder did."

The above quote is from this article, by an Orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine specialist, here:

https://www.drdavidgeier.com/manny-pacquiao-shoulder-rotator-cuff-tear/

No version of Pac, under any circumstance, time, place, beats a prime Floyd. Get over it. Pac would also get lit up by Duran and Aaron Pryor. Let’s not even talk about what SRL and Hearns would do to him.

[KingDavid]

Glad to see all the off topic threads and player comparisons threads in general board. I mean no one cares anymore.

We are sure it'll come to a halt once the preseason begins or if it starts getting out of hand before then. Otherwise, I personally don't mind the traffic and conversation (even though I moved that Jake Paul thread and couldn't get it back )

[Sgt Major]

Meh
The only guy from those lighter weights whom I like is Khabib.

[dlts20]

I'm a licensed professional fight judge. I have pics with all of these guys. I grew up a boxing fan but put my daughter in MMA MMA. She turns 7 in September and just won 1st place in the last 2 tournaments that she was in against older girls and boys and these are the same tournaments the top ufc fighters came up in.

P4P, Mayweather is the most skilled fighter I have ever seen. He literally could do it all. Most casual fans didn't see him until he was old and fighting bigger guys. He was already a hof fighter in his 1st weight class before he ever moved up. In fact I tell people that we never saw the best Mayweather because he moved up to chase money. He could have stayed lower, knock guys his size and smaller out. Then have better names like Barrera and Morales on his resume. They were legends who stood no chance if floyd didn't move up to chase money.

Floyd is small and after his 1st division, he was the smaller guy in nearly every fight. Most times way smaller.. He's basically the only guy in history who took long breaks when he was older, came back, was held to the same standards, and dominanted. Mayweather would take 2 years off while others would get credit if they lost after 6 months off because they weren't active.

Im a boxing fan. Manny is a legend. I've watched him from the jump but even the haters on boxing will tell you that Floyd is arguably the best they have ever seen. No one else can throw a stiff jab, a pull counter, a leeping left, can throw short hard punches in the inside the most beautiful boxer on the outside, high iq, top notch defense, elite chin, etc. Most of you are casuals. I literally know guys at the top of the fight game who don't like Floyd at all and say that he's the best they ever seen

I literally just watched Oscar de lahoya, max Kellerman, Roberto Garcia, etc call pacquiao the greatest fighter of all time. You consider them casuals?

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Stop it bruh. I've literally been around all of those dudes and they have never called Pac the GOAT ever

[jokeboy86]

Great fighter and give him a lot of credit late in his career for wanting to fight these new young WWs(except Bud lol). I personally think he would've never beat Floyd if they both faced each other in their prime because Floyd is a masterful defensive fighter and good counter puncher and Bob Arum(Manny's promoter) knew better than to pit Manny against great counter punchers and when he did fight a great one it was a guy who he never beat definitively(Marquez). Arum preferred to pit Manny against guys who would mix it up and don't really have much defense similar to how Canelo was matched early in his career and even now.

Personally I've never had Floyd or Manny as the best of the past two eras because as skilled as they were neither one became undisputed champion at any weight or imo beat a great fighter in their prime. I know some of this was because of the promoter wars but some of it was by their choice too. I give much more credit to Hopkins, Jones Jr., and Ward.

[dlts20]

I'm a licensed professional fight judge. I have pics with all of these guys. I grew up a boxing fan but put my daughter in MMA MMA. She turns 7 in September and just won 1st place in the last 2 tournaments that she was in against older girls and boys and these are the same tournaments the top ufc fighters came up in.

P4P, Mayweather is the most skilled fighter I have ever seen. He literally could do it all. Most casual fans didn't see him until he was old and fighting bigger guys. He was already a hof fighter in his 1st weight class before he ever moved up. In fact I tell people that we never saw the best Mayweather because he moved up to chase money. He could have stayed lower, knock guys his size and smaller out. Then have better names like Barrera and Morales on his resume. They were legends who stood no chance if floyd didn't move up to chase money.

Floyd is small and after his 1st division, he was the smaller guy in nearly every fight. Most times way smaller.. He's basically the only guy in history who took long breaks when he was older, came back, was held to the same standards, and dominanted. Mayweather would take 2 years off while others would get credit if they lost after 6 months off because they weren't active.

Im a boxing fan. Manny is a legend. I've watched him from the jump but even the haters on boxing will tell you that Floyd is arguably the best they have ever seen. No one else can throw a stiff jab, a pull counter, a leeping left, can throw short hard punches in the inside the most beautiful boxer on the outside, high iq, top notch defense, elite chin, etc. Most of you are casuals. I literally know guys at the top of the fight game who don't like Floyd at all and say that he's the best they ever seen

You don't think Mayweather got hit more and had some closer fights when he was younger? He was almost un-hittable as he got older.

And what do you make of prime Manny dominating guys that Floyd had some what close fights with?

He got hit more but was still always considered one of the best 3 or 4 defensive fighters ever and alot had him way higher. He wasn't losing hardly any rounds, he was more aggressive, and still dominated every fight. The only chance you had was to be way bigger or a Southpaw. His dad used to be scared of him fighting Southpaws. It would always take him 4 rounds to figure them out and then he would dominate but later, he could too figure them out right from the jump.

You say that Pac beat them easier but they were 2 different types of fighters so a ko will always look better and honestly, I seriously wouldn't put it past him that Manny was juicing around that point. He didn't look the same when he started getting tested

[dhsilv2]

It’s crazy how small these great fighters are. They’re 5’7” toothpicks.

Not the size of the dog that counts

Other than fighting organizations won't even let these guys compete with actual fighters. It's comical people calling these guys the best fighters...they wouldn't make a top 10,000 fighter list.

[Pelon chingon]

Great fighter and give him a lot of credit late in his career for wanting to fight these new young WWs(except Bud lol). I personally think he would've never beat Floyd if they both faced each other in their prime because Floyd is a masterful defensive fighter and good counter puncher and Bob Arum(Manny's promoter) knew better than to pit Manny against great counter punchers and when he did fight a great one it was a guy who he never beat definitively(Marquez). Arum preferred to pit Manny against guys who would mix it up and don't really have much defense similar to how Canelo was matched early in his career and even now.

Personally I've never had Floyd or Manny as the best of the past two eras because as skilled as they were neither one became undisputed champion at any weight or imo beat a great fighter in their prime. I know some of this was because of the promoter wars but some of it was by their choice too. I give much more credit to Hopkins, Jones Jr., and Ward.

These days there is so much misinformation about boxing you really have to follow closely to know what's going on. I say that because Pacquiao definitely signed that Crawford fight that fell through. Depending on sources I heard the split was something along the lines of 70/30 Pacquiao. Any attempt to disparage Manny at this point is irrelevant TBH hes a legend set in stone I wish the current crop of boxers would take a page from him and fight anybody and everybody lol. These days boxers and their promoters are trying to sell you Charlo vs Montiel and Davis vs Barrios . Luckily we have Canelo who continues to fight champion after champion and doesnt try to masquerade those jr varsity straps to the fans and Teofino Lopez/Josh Taylor who have also separated themselves from the field beating all the legitimate title holders . We'll never get the Spence/Bud fight it's time to flush the current generation of 147's they've been nothing but an embarrassment.

[Pelon chingon]

I'm a licensed professional fight judge. I have pics with all of these guys. I grew up a boxing fan but put my daughter in MMA MMA. She turns 7 in September and just won 1st place in the last 2 tournaments that she was in against older girls and boys and these are the same tournaments the top ufc fighters came up in.

P4P, Mayweather is the most skilled fighter I have ever seen. He literally could do it all. Most casual fans didn't see him until he was old and fighting bigger guys. He was already a hof fighter in his 1st weight class before he ever moved up. In fact I tell people that we never saw the best Mayweather because he moved up to chase money. He could have stayed lower, knock guys his size and smaller out. Then have better names like Barrera and Morales on his resume. They were legends who stood no chance if floyd didn't move up to chase money.

Floyd is small and after his 1st division, he was the smaller guy in nearly every fight. Most times way smaller.. He's basically the only guy in history who took long breaks when he was older, came back, was held to the same standards, and dominanted. Mayweather would take 2 years off while others would get credit if they lost after 6 months off because they weren't active.

Im a boxing fan. Manny is a legend. I've watched him from the jump but even the haters on boxing will tell you that Floyd is arguably the best they have ever seen. No one else can throw a stiff jab, a pull counter, a leeping left, can throw short hard punches in the inside the most beautiful boxer on the outside, high iq, top notch defense, elite chin, etc. Most of you are casuals. I literally know guys at the top of the fight game who don't like Floyd at all and say that he's the best they ever seen

You don't think Mayweather got hit more and had some closer fights when he was younger? He was almost un-hittable as he got older.

And what do you make of prime Manny dominating guys that Floyd had some what close fights with?

He got hit more but was still always considered one of the best 3 or 4 defensive fighters ever and alot had him way higher. He wasn't losing hardly any rounds, he was more aggressive, and still dominated every fight. The only chance you had was to be way bigger or a Southpaw. His dad used to be scared of him fighting Southpaws. It would always take him 4 rounds to figure them out and then he would dominate but later, he could too figure them out right from the jump.

You say that Pac beat them easier but they were 2 different types of fighters so a ko will always look better and honestly, I seriously wouldn't put it past him that Manny was juicing around that point. He didn't look the same when he started getting tested

You mean when he became the oldest(40) welterweight champion in boxing history even dropping his opponent in the opening round?

[jokeboy86]

Great fighter and give him a lot of credit late in his career for wanting to fight these new young WWs(except Bud lol). I personally think he would've never beat Floyd if they both faced each other in their prime because Floyd is a masterful defensive fighter and good counter puncher and Bob Arum(Manny's promoter) knew better than to pit Manny against great counter punchers and when he did fight a great one it was a guy who he never beat definitively(Marquez). Arum preferred to pit Manny against guys who would mix it up and don't really have much defense similar to how Canelo was matched early in his career and even now.

Personally I've never had Floyd or Manny as the best of the past two eras because as skilled as they were neither one became undisputed champion at any weight or imo beat a great fighter in their prime. I know some of this was because of the promoter wars but some of it was by their choice too. I give much more credit to Hopkins, Jones Jr., and Ward.

These days there is so much misinformation about boxing you really have to follow closely to know what's going on. I say that because Pacquiao definitely signed that Crawford fight that fell through. Depending on sources I heard the split was something along the lines of 70/30 Pacquiao. Any attempt to disparage Manny at this point is irrelevant TBH hes a legend set in stone I wish the current crop of boxers would take a page from him and fight anybody and everybody lol. These days boxers and their promoters are trying to sell you Charlo vs Montiel and Davis vs Barrios . Luckily we have Canelo who continues to fight champion after champion and doesnt try to masquerade those jr varsity straps to the fans and Teofino Lopez/Josh Taylor who have also separated themselves from the field beating all the legitimate title holders . We'll never get the Spence/Bud fight it's time to flush the current generation of 147's they've been nothing but an embarrassment.

Canelo and his team are still very careful who they fight though. He's interested in unifying SMW because it's not a deep division cause he had no interest and still doesn't of cleaning out and unifying MW which has always been the deeper division. And if he beats Plant I'd be stunned if he sticks around and fights Benavidez who's clearly the best SMW. And Canelo is a great fighter but I'll say this over and over, he's ducking Andrade period and he can try to justify it all he wants but a duck is a duck. And that's cause he struggles with mobile fighters who are not there to be hit.

[Pelon chingon]

Great fighter and give him a lot of credit late in his career for wanting to fight these new young WWs(except Bud lol). I personally think he would've never beat Floyd if they both faced each other in their prime because Floyd is a masterful defensive fighter and good counter puncher and Bob Arum(Manny's promoter) knew better than to pit Manny against great counter punchers and when he did fight a great one it was a guy who he never beat definitively(Marquez). Arum preferred to pit Manny against guys who would mix it up and don't really have much defense similar to how Canelo was matched early in his career and even now.

Personally I've never had Floyd or Manny as the best of the past two eras because as skilled as they were neither one became undisputed champion at any weight or imo beat a great fighter in their prime. I know some of this was because of the promoter wars but some of it was by their choice too. I give much more credit to Hopkins, Jones Jr., and Ward.

These days there is so much misinformation about boxing you really have to follow closely to know what's going on. I say that because Pacquiao definitely signed that Crawford fight that fell through. Depending on sources I heard the split was something along the lines of 70/30 Pacquiao. Any attempt to disparage Manny at this point is irrelevant TBH hes a legend set in stone I wish the current crop of boxers would take a page from him and fight anybody and everybody lol. These days boxers and their promoters are trying to sell you Charlo vs Montiel and Davis vs Barrios . Luckily we have Canelo who continues to fight champion after champion and doesnt try to masquerade those jr varsity straps to the fans and Teofino Lopez/Josh Taylor who have also separated themselves from the field beating all the legitimate title holders . We'll never get the Spence/Bud fight it's time to flush the current generation of 147's they've been nothing but an embarrassment.

Canelo and his team are still very careful who they fight though. He's interested in unifying SMW because it's not a deep division cause he had no interest and still doesn't of cleaning out and unifying MW which has always been the deeper division. And if he beats Plant I'd be stunned if he sticks around and fights Benavidez who's clearly the best SMW. And Canelo is a great fighter but I'll say this over and over, he's ducking Andrade period and he can try to justify it all he wants but a duck is a duck. And that's cause he struggles with mobile fighters who are not there to be hit.

Benavidez is the best SMW based on what exactly? Its probably all that unifying hes done. Canelo Moved up from 160 and has since captured straps at 175 and is 1 fight away from cleaning out 168 and Andrade is still choking on his dust and hasn't unified ish or moved up from 160 WHY? Andrade is the definition of obscurity and a cautionary tale for all future generations the way he fumbled his own career. Seriously do you even watch his fights they are stinkers. Hate on Canelo all you want but 1st you have to tell me who's doing it better.

[DCasey91]

It’s crazy how small these great fighters are. They’re 5’7” toothpicks.

Not the size of the dog that counts

Other than fighting organizations won't even let these guys compete with actual fighters. It's comical people calling these guys the best fighters...they wouldn't make a top 10,000 fighter list.

Huh?

[jokeboy86]

These days there is so much misinformation about boxing you really have to follow closely to know what's going on. I say that because Pacquiao definitely signed that Crawford fight that fell through. Depending on sources I heard the split was something along the lines of 70/30 Pacquiao. Any attempt to disparage Manny at this point is irrelevant TBH hes a legend set in stone I wish the current crop of boxers would take a page from him and fight anybody and everybody lol. These days boxers and their promoters are trying to sell you Charlo vs Montiel and Davis vs Barrios . Luckily we have Canelo who continues to fight champion after champion and doesnt try to masquerade those jr varsity straps to the fans and Teofino Lopez/Josh Taylor who have also separated themselves from the field beating all the legitimate title holders . We'll never get the Spence/Bud fight it's time to flush the current generation of 147's they've been nothing but an embarrassment.

Canelo and his team are still very careful who they fight though. He's interested in unifying SMW because it's not a deep division cause he had no interest and still doesn't of cleaning out and unifying MW which has always been the deeper division. And if he beats Plant I'd be stunned if he sticks around and fights Benavidez who's clearly the best SMW. And Canelo is a great fighter but I'll say this over and over, he's ducking Andrade period and he can try to justify it all he wants but a duck is a duck. And that's cause he struggles with mobile fighters who are not there to be hit.

Benavidez is the best SMW based on what exactly? Its probably all that unifying hes done. Canelo Moved up from 160 and has since captured straps at 175 and is 1 fight away from cleaning out 168 and Andrade is still choking on his dust and hasn't unified ish or moved up from 160 WHY? Andrade is the definition of obscurity and a cautionary tale for all future generations the way he fumbled his own career. Seriously do you even watch his fights they are stinkers. Hate on Canelo all you want but 1st you have to tell me who's doing it better.

Ring Magazine, ESPN and the majority of boxing fans think Benavidez is and if you notice that's the real fight people want to see. Benavidez has yet to actually lose a title in the ring so if Canelo beats Plant he should give him a shot. I don't care about Canelo's trinket at 175 either because again he fought someone who wasn't even considered the best in the division and has been done since Ward. You notice Canelo didn't want any part of Beterbiev who's been universally considered the best LHW. And as far as who's doing it better give me fighters like Shawn Porter, Spence, or even Usyk and Fury who are down to fight anybody no matter if they're boring or their style is hard to figure out. Canelo talks about how Andrade hasn't beat anybody but fights guys like Kirkland, Chavez Jr, Khan, and Fielding.

[dhsilv2]

Not the size of the dog that counts

Other than fighting organizations won't even let these guys compete with actual fighters. It's comical people calling these guys the best fighters...they wouldn't make a top 10,000 fighter list.

Huh?

They're little people...it would be like an nba for under 6'0. You'd never consider them real basketball players.