Brandon Roy...

Newbballfan · Post #1 » by **Newbballfan** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:38 am

Roy looks like an injured horse out there....

He really just needs to be put down. Put the poor guy out of his misery.

fishnc · Post #2 » by **fishnc** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:46 am

So you think we should euthanize Brandon Roy?

J~Rush · Post #3 » by **J~Rush** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 3:46 am

I agree. We should hire a migrant farm worker to take him out with a spade.

Newbballfan · Post #4 » by **Newbballfan** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:40 am

fishnc wrote:So you think we should euthanize Brandon Roy?

I did not want to be so blunt, but yes.

Shem · Post #5 » by **Shem** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:19 am

If this isn't going to get better, I think Roy should retire soon. That way his contract comes off the salary cap books and Portland can use that space for someone else.

Yadadimean · Post #6 » by **Yadadimean** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:25 am

J~Rush wrote:I agree. We should hire a migrant farm worker to take him out with a spade.

have meg whitman hire one for ten years then fire him right before the elections

EGame · Post #7 » by **EGame** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:42 am

It is so sad to see him in the condition he is. He has brought so much for us and made us as fans care about both basketball and the Trail Blazers again. But the poor guy seriously looks like an 80 year old man out there the way he runs it almost looks like he is about to just fall and break into many pieces. I really don't want to bring Roy down, but this thing is not just going to miraculously heal itself and as much as I love Roy and love him on our team, he really should consider retirement. He has no spring in his legs anymore at all and it shows. One or two more bad injuries and he will be calling it a career I think. Much respect for him and I thank him for everything, but it is time to think about his future beyond basketball and not cripple himself.

Same could be said for Oden too...

Wizenheimer · Post #8 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:46 am

Shem wrote:If this isn't going to get better, I think Roy should retire soon. That way his contract comes off the salary cap books and Portland can use that space for someone else.

there's no guarantee at all that the salary would come off the books:

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q55

It could easily be that a league appointed doctor would not sign off on Roy being unfit to play. His apparent lack of ability to play like he used to is not likely to be the same as the medical criteria the doctor would use.

now, it is possible that the new CBA will offer more relief to both a team and a player in the situation that Roy and the Blazers appear to be headed

GEE · Post #9 » by **GEE** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:50 am

EGame wrote:It is so sad to see him in the condition he is. He has brought so much for us and made us as fans care about both basketball and the Trail Blazers again. But the poor guy seriously looks like an 80 year old man out there the way he runs it almost looks like he is about to just fall and break into many pieces. I really don't want to bring Roy down, but this thing is not just going to miraculously heal itself and as much as I love Roy and love him on our team, he really should consider retirement. He has no spring in his legs anymore at all and it shows. One or two more bad injuries and he will be calling it a career I think. Much respect for him and I thank him for everything, but it is time to think about his future beyond basketball and not cripple himself.

Same could be said for Oden too...

LMAO at "the poor guy". Though I too feel a bit sorry for him, the $80 mil kinda offsets that feeling.

Sinobas · Post #10 » by **Sinobas** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:55 am

Hey Wizzy, do you still think we were over-reacting by saying Roy's career is basically shot?

TBpup · Post #11 » by **TBpup** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:56 am

It is sad to see Brandon trying to play in the condition he is in. What is worse is to watch the elephant in the room that no one will aknowledge...DO SOMETHING NOW!!! It isn't a matter of 'if' this needs to be addressed but 'when'. Might as well start now.

I applaud Brandon getting 8 assists and maybe that is his role for the future. Be a PG who can shoot, learn the herky-jerky dribble from Andre' Miller and run the offense without trying to take it over. You wouldn't be able to sag off him because he is a decent shooter and if he can work on his catch and shoot skills, he could be a weapon. The problem would be on defense where you will have to hide him a bit because he seems to have lost most of his quickness and explosiveness. There are still ocassional flashes but it is nothing you can count on consistantly and isn't going to get any better by waiting.

It is painful to watch a guy who had so much talent and game into the league a seasoned college senior so we got to see that talent right away. Sadly, continuing to have any hope of him being an offensive leader is misplaced. He needs to develop his 'solid contributor/Grant Hill skills about 10 year before Grant had to figure out that is what he needed to do. Let the other players develop into roles they are going to have to step into and stop being so short sighted by trying to win a game or two now.

It's time to look to the future and Brandon just is not that future anymore. Sad day...

Shem · Post #12 » by **Shem** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:57 am

Sinobas wrote:Hey Wizzy, do you still think we were over-reacting by saying Roy's career is basically shot?

Well, he did try to convince me with a statistical analysis how we can still depend on Roy just yesterday.

Wizenheimer · Post #13 » by **Wizenheimer** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:59 am

Sinobas wrote:Hey Wizzy, do you still think we were over-reacting by saying Roy's career is basically shot?

yes

Shem · Post #14 » by **Shem** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:59 am

TBpup wrote: I applaud Brandon getting 8 assists and maybe that is his role for the future.

Roy had 5 assists.

It was Miller who dished out 8 assists.

fishnc · Post #15 » by **fishnc** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:01 am

TBpup wrote:It is sad to see Brandon trying to play in the condition he is in. What is worse is to watch the elephant in the room that no one will aknowledge...DO SOMETHING NOW!!! It isn't a matter of 'if' this needs to be addressed but 'when'. Might as well start now.

I applaud Brandon getting 8 assists and maybe that is his role for the future. Be a PG who can shoot, learn the herky-jerky dribble from Andre' Miller and run the offense without trying to take it over. You wouldn't be able to sag off him because he is a decent shooter and if he can work on his catch and shoot skills, he could be a weapon. The problem would be on defense where you will have to hide him a bit because he seems to have lost most of his quickness and explosiveness. There are still ocassional flashes but it is nothing you can count on consistantly and isn't going to get any better by waiting.

It is painful to watch a guy who had so much talent and game into the league a seasoned college senior so we got to see that talent right away. Sadly, continuing to have any hope of him being an offensive leader is misplaced. He needs to develop his 'solid contributor/Grant Hill skills about 10 year before Grant had to figure out that is what he needed to do. Let the other players develop into roles they are going to have to step into and stop being so short sighted by trying to win a game or two now.

It's time to look to the future and Brandon just is not that future anymore. Sad day...

Only 5 assists actually.

But I agree, Roy is deadweight. I've been trying to find a player in recent NBA history who fell off so quickly at such a young age. Rookie of the year, three time all-star, and now...well, we can all see what injuries have reduced him to. It seems unprecedented to me. Maybe someone else can remember a similar case.

Agenda42 · Post #16 » by **Agenda42** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 6:06 am

TBpup wrote:It is sad to see Brandon trying to play in the condition he is in. What is worse is to watch the elephant in the room that no one will aknowledge...DO SOMETHING NOW!!! It isn't a matter of 'if' this needs to be addressed but 'when'. Might as well start now.

I don't know that anything can be done right now. I hate it. Brandon is going to need to work out what he can do, and then the Blazers are going to need to figure out how to work with that.

I fear this will be a long sucky process. For now, the big thing I want to see the Blazers do is change Roy's minutes and the gameplan based on how he's feeling on a day to day basis.

TBpup wrote: I applaud Brandon getting 8 assists and maybe that is his role for the future. Be a PG who can shoot, learn the herky-jerky dribble from Andre' Miller and run the offense without trying to take it over. You wouldn't be able to sag off him because he is a decent shooter and if he can work on his catch and shoot skills, he could be a weapon. The problem would be on defense where you will have to hide him a bit because he seems to have lost most of his quickness and explosiveness. There are still ocassional flashes but it is nothing you can count on consistantly and isn't going to get any better by waiting.

I think that Brandon can certainly be a top quality role player as a shooter. Really I still hold out hope for him being a third option kind of player on a good team. If he was the one getting space from his teammates, rather than generating space for his teammates, he's a fantastic shooter and has good distribution ability too.

JK80 · Post #17 » by **JK80** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:09 am

It's sad to see what Roy has become due to the injuries. He is going to be a very overpaid role player for the rest of his career, if there is much of a career left.

Village Idiot · Post #18 » by **Village Idiot** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:43 am

Brandon and Nate are clearly still in a state of denial about this and hence are lashing out at others. Typical behavior. The faster they realize that they need to readjust their expectations the quicker they'll be able to make something positive out of this situation. Nic and Andre have already been alienated and Rudy doesn't give a hoot any more. Brandon can still be a valuable contributor in this league but it will have to be off the bench if this team is going to succeed. If he can limit his minutes to a degree that he can give full defensive effort this situation can be salvaged. I'd much rather have 20 minutes of Brandon at 85 % than 35 minutes of him at 60 %.

southnc · Post #19 » by **southnc** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:16 pm

Roy has done a lot of great things for this team. In addition to his knees, he is dealing with a very different system and new teammates with their own agenda. That can be tough on a young player - even a very talented one.

Does anyone remember when Kobe was whining and threatening to leave the Lakers? Kobe won and got who he wanted. The rest is history. And many of the fans there were calling him selfish and even asking for his ouster.

Yeah, it may be selfish; but, you should listen to your superstar, and Roy clearly does not like the current system and personnel that has been put together to play it. Of course, you could get rid of Roy... And the Lakers could have gotten rid of Kobe too - imagine that.

Blazinaway · Post #20 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:24 pm

southnc wrote:Roy has done a lot of great things for this team. In addition to his knees, he is dealing with a very different system and new teammates with their own agenda. That can be tough on a young player - even a very talented one.

Does anyone remember when Kobe was whining and threatening to leave the Lakers? Kobe won and got who he wanted. The rest is history. And many of the fans there were calling him selfish and even asking for his ouster.

Yeah, it may be selfish; but, you should listen to your superstar, and Roy clearly does not like the current system and personnel that has been put together to play it. Of course, you could get rid of Roy... And the Lakers could have gotten rid of Kobe too - imagine that.

sorry but ridiculous to compare Kobe and Roy the way you are attempting, Roy has a permanently diminished physical capacity, which did not at all happen to Kobe. Surrounding Kobe, with his skills, with complimentary players was the right thing to do, it in not IMO at all the right thing to do here with Roy.