Draft Results: Damian Lillard, Meyers Leonard, Will Barton.

GreenRiddler · Post #121 » by **GreenRiddler** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:45 pm

Calderon Amnestied, good pick up till Lillard takes that starting spot. I can't see Nolan with us come Nov. In any case. With Calderon, Lillard, Wes, Barton and E-Will, Nolan has to be moved. Maybe a future 2nd rounder?

Post #122 » by **kdawg32086** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:54 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:
PTPaQ wrote:ah man some of yall act like nobody from a small school has a shot in the NBA.

This. Didn't Steph Curry have a good rookie year?

Curry also proved that he could hang with major D1 talent when he faced them in college. Watch him against Duke and NC State during his junior year for example. Then, watch Lillard against Cal...

AllMyNeilOlshey · Post #123 » by **AllMyNeilOlshey** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:58 pm

kdawg32086 wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:
PTPaQ wrote:ah man some of yall act like nobody from a small school has a shot in the NBA.

This. Didn't Steph Curry have a good rookie year?

Curry also proved that he could hang with major D1 talent when he faced them in college. Watch him against Duke and NC State during his junior year for example. Then, watch Lillard against Cal...

Did you watch Lillard against Cal? What did you see that indicated he would struggle against all superior competition he faced? Not trying to provoke you. Just curious.

Clarity · Post #124 » by **Clarity** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:04 pm

AllMyNeilOlshey wrote:So you are all mad that we didn't draft players based on "potential"? Are you not all the same people that get mad that Batum hasn't reached his "potential"? This job is going to be a lot harder then I thought. Maybe your just insecure about the picks because the majority of you have never seen Lillard or Leonard play?

-Olshey Out-

I dont think anyone's mad lol

I think some have said passing on an overall better player in Harrison Barnes for a need when the GM said in plain english last wk he wasnt gonna do that was tough to swallow. I havent seen many say Lillard wasnt good or anything.

As for potential, sure Batum has potential but in the case of the argument for Drummond, he has Dwight Howard potential. Superstar potential at a position that wins you titles. Thats a little different than Batum.

I watched 4 or 5 of Lillard's games last year, if you didnt tons of film on him is available online as well, same w/ Leonard.

& its "you're insecure"

Post #125 » by **kdawg32086** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:21 pm

AllMyNeilOlshey wrote:
kdawg32086 wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:This. Didn't Steph Curry have a good rookie year?

Curry also proved that he could hang with major D1 talent when he faced them in college. Watch him against Duke and NC State during his junior year for example. Then, watch Lillard against Cal...

Did you watch Lillard against Cal? What did you see that indicated he would struggle against all superior competition he faced? Not trying to provoke you. Just curious.

Yes and I saw Lillard struggle mightily against Jorge Gutierrez, who was extremely effective in neutralizing him. This was the only time that Lillard faced a good college team with potential NBA prospects this season. If he struggles with a defender like Gutierrez (great in college, could be good in the NBA), I can't imagine how poorly he would be against someone proven as a good defender in the NBA like Rajon Rondo, Tony Allen, or Tyreke Evans.

I see Lillard's justification for being a good player coming from:
1) His combine performance (Not an actual game)
2) Stephen Curry (who played well against upper level college teams) having a good rookie year
3) PG's from small schools with completely different playing styles (Stockton, Nash) being good NBA players
4) Blazer scouts/management knowing what they're doing drafting him (didn't they like Telfair, Jack, Rodriguez, Bayless, and Nolan Smith too? They also passed up Chris Paul and Deron Williams for Webster.)

I'm willing to admit that Lillard could be a good player (and I'll eat the crow) but he hasn't shown me anything that makes me think so. I see people saying "the scouts know more than you" about a million times but no actual game footage where he excelled against potential NBA level competition in college (it doesn't exist, trust me I looked). That leads me to believe that Lillard is overhyped and will be a disappointment. I may be wrong (we'll know in 5 years) but I doubt it.

AllMyNeilOlshey · Post #126 » by **AllMyNeilOlshey** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:25 pm

Clarity wrote:
AllMyNeilOlshey wrote:So you are all mad that we didn't draft players based on "potential"? Are you not all the same people that get mad that Batum hasn't reached his "potential"? This job is going to be a lot harder then I thought. Maybe your just insecure about the picks because the majority of you have never seen Lillard or Leonard play?

-Olshey Out-

I dont think anyone's mad lol

I think some have said passing on an overall better player in Harrison Barnes for a need when the GM said in plain english last wk he wasnt gonna do that was tough to swallow. I havent seen many say Lillard wasnt good or anything.

As for potential, sure Batum has potential but in the case of the argument for Drummond, he has Dwight Howard potential. Superstar potential at a position that wins you titles. Thats a little different than Batum.

I watched 4 or 5 of Lillard's games last year, if you didnt tons of film on him is available online as well, same w/ Leonard.

& its "you're insecure"

Your name fits you.

It's all a matter of opinion. I for instance have watched Barnes play numerous times and I wouldn't have wanted to select him even if we had a need at that position.

I was more so talking about lamb then Drummond. Drummond is a valid argument. I liked Drummond. Not sure his potential was Howard but DeAndre Jordan didn't seem to far off.

And I think a fire the GM thread would indicate a little frustration.

Also thank you very much for correcting my grammar. Please continue to do so. We should be friends in no time.

GreenRiddler · Post #127 » by **GreenRiddler** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:42 pm

I think I'll make my bold Prediction of the year now. Damian Lillard will not only be a candidate for ROY, he will win it.

Post #128 » by **mojomarc** » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:56 pm

GreenRiddler wrote:I think I'll make my bold Prediction of the year now. Damian Lillard will not only be a candidate for ROY, he will win it.

I think I see a bet between you and kdawg here. Something fun like having to carry a phrase of the winner's choice in the sig?

BlazersRizing · Post #129 » by **BlazersRizing** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:14 am

I feel a little better about the draft than I did last night...

just gotta hope it works out. the Blazers are DUE for some good luck.

imagine if Leonard turns into a starter...

Lillard
<need a SG> / Matthews
Batum?
Aldridge/Leonard/Hickson 3 man PF/C rotation

not that bad.

GreenRiddler · Post #130 » by **GreenRiddler** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:14 am

mojomarc wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:I think I'll make my bold Prediction of the year now. Damian Lillard will not only be a candidate for ROY, he will win it.

I think I see a bet between you and kdawg here. Something fun like having to carry a phrase of the winner's choice in the sig?

I'll take that bet, will Kdawg?

Clarity · Post #131 » by **Clarity** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:36 am

AllMyNeilOlshey wrote:

Your name fits you.

It's all a matter of opinion. I for instance have watched Barnes play numerous times and I wouldn't have wanted to select him even if we had a need at that position.

I was more so talking about lamb then Drummond. Drummond is a valid argument. I liked Drummond. Not sure his potential was Howard but DeAndre Jordan didn't seem to far off.

And I think a fire the GM thread would indicate a little frustration.

Also thank you very much for correcting my grammar. Please continue to do so. We should be friends in no time.

Well the majority of opinion is Barnes is a legit scoring wing in the NBA.

Ceiling of Dwight, id agree a floor of DeAndre. Lamb would have been a great option at 11 & a big time need for Portland.

I didnt see a fire GM thread, I agree though that is ridiculous, I thought you were referencing this thread.

GreenRiddler · Post #132 » by **GreenRiddler** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:37 am

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketb ... 2012-draft

How can you not love this guy?

DusterBuster · Post #133 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:21 am

GreenRiddler wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/19446848/with-his-climb-to-lottery-pick-lillard-most-unlikely-story-of-2012-draft

How can you not love this guy?

By being over-reactionary and flying off the handle over personal opinions instead of being rational and simply waiting until these guys play a few games.

Post #134 » by **kdawg32086** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:32 am

GreenRiddler wrote:
mojomarc wrote:
GreenRiddler wrote:I think I'll make my bold Prediction of the year now. Damian Lillard will not only be a candidate for ROY, he will win it.

I think I see a bet between you and kdawg here. Something fun like having to carry a phrase of the winner's choice in the sig?

I'll take that bet, will Kdawg?

Absolutely. Damian Lillard will not be rookie of the year.

PTPaQ · Post #135 » by **PTPaQ** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:51 am

The odds are with you by just saying "he will notbe r.o.y.". Its hard to argue that. The test is for you to say he wont be in the running and i dont know if they keep track of 2nd place 3 plc etc, but imo that would be more telling of his 1st yr success. Id say if he doesnt take too much time to adjust the minutes will be there as we dont have anyone to challenge him right now, barring a FA pickup.

DusterBuster · Post #136 » by **DusterBuster** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 1:54 am

Agreed. Lillard very likely won't be the RotY with Davis, but it's definitely not out of the question that he could be in the running during the season.

Norm2953 · Post #137 » by **Norm2953** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:08 am

There will be other guys who will get some votes for ROY for Bradley Beal, Robinson
and Barnes are going to get PT. Needless to say Davis is the odds on favorite as
long as Jarrett Jack is willing to give him the ball.

What would be horrific for Portland is if Drummond has a strong rookie season

Post #138 » by **mojomarc** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:29 am

Maybe the reason Portland opted for Meyers Leonard over Drummond is they thought they were drafting Vince Carter:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/SUroGQZQj-g[/youtube]

Brandon-Clyde · Post #139 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:32 am

mojomarc wrote:Maybe the reason Portland opted for Meyers Leonard over Drummond is they thought they were drafting Vince Carter:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/SUroGQZQj-g[/youtube]

Impressive dunk but you need to fix the link

Post #140 » by **mojomarc** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 2:34 am

Brandon-Clyde wrote:
mojomarc wrote:Maybe the reason Portland opted for Meyers Leonard over Drummond is they thought they were drafting Vince Carter:

[youtube]http://youtu.be/SUroGQZQj-g[/youtube]

Impressive dunk but you need to fix the link

Sometimes the youtube tags work, sometimes they don't. My guess is sometime tomorrow this will magically be embedded.