Pistons fan - Draft Day Question

Piston Pete · Post #1 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:18 am

Assuming you guys take Drummond at #6....what would you give us for #9?

I figured you guys would want to trade up to #9 for Lillard - ahead of NO. After NO takes Davis #1, they will likely take Lillard if he's still on the board - but you guys also want him badly.

Just wondering what you'd offer to move up ahead of NO to #9.....

Or are you guys happy to stay at #11 and take Kendall Marshall or whoever else?

jhern87 · Post #2 » by **jhern87** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:20 am

Meh.. possibly one of our 2nd rounders.. Personally I think I'd rather have the PG that would make Drummonds transition as easy as possible.. Marshall.

portlandoden · Post #3 » by **portlandoden** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:40 am

You won't get a proper answer from me because I'd rather Marshall than Lillard

We also don't have many assets at the moment.. Only players under contract are LA, Wes, Smith, Williams (2x) and Babbitt. We also have some 2nd rounders (40 and 41 I think) but I'm sure if they have any value in this deal
I'd say S Williams has negative to no value in this deal, E. Williams would be better off kept. Depending how badly we want Lillard, the only option would be Nolan/Babbitt and 11 for 9

Piston Pete · Post #4 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:44 am

Which is fine.

Part of this thread was to determine how you felt toward Lillard/Marshall - and if you'd want to move up, what you'd likely offer.

DusterBuster · Post #5 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:51 am

Getting Drummond and Lillard would be huge.

I'd offer the Blazers 2nd round picks (40 and 41) plus cash considerations. If those don't float the Pistons boat and they want a player of some sort, I'd say any of Shawne Williams, Nolan Smith, Luke Babbitt, Elliot Williams, Victor Claver or Joel Freeland would be open game.

Anything more than that and I think the Blazers just wait until 11 and take Marshall.

All this said, I'd question if Lillard would make it past the Raptors @ #8.

portlandoden · Post #6 » by **portlandoden** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:04 am

Out of curiosity who do you have Detroit wanting that they'd be comfortable trading down and still acquiring? Henson?

Norm2953 · Post #7 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:06 am

It's a fair question for Detroit is where I would go to if a trade up but
it's very possible New Orleans at 10 will pick another big to pair with
Davis. They might pick the big the Piston's would covet at 9.

Piston Pete · Post #8 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:28 am

portlandoden wrote:Out of curiosity who do you have Detroit wanting that they'd be comfortable trading down and still acquiring? Henson?

At 11, I'd hope to get one of:

Henson
Leonard
Moultrie
Terrence Jones

I see at least two of them being there at #11. Personally, I was thinking about doing #9 and Villanueva for #11 and Shawne Williams.....or something similar.

Basically, I was looking to see what you guys would consider doing to get Lillard.

Goldbum · Post #9 » by **Goldbum** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:38 am

#11 and both 2nd round picks plus cash?

PS this is kinda my dream scenario. A Lillard and Drummond draft could be on par with Roy/ Aldridge.

GeraldWallace3 · Post #10 » by **GeraldWallace3** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:39 am

Goldbum wrote:#11 and both 2nd round picks plus cash?

#11, Luke Babbitt, #41

What say you?

Piston Pete · Post #11 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:42 am

I don't think we'd have interest in your 2nd rounders....

1) It would be like us offering #9 and both our 2nd rounders and cash to you guys for #6....
2) We already have a full roster set to return next season and won't have room for two more 2nd rounders.

Wickzki · Post #12 » by **Wickzki** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:43 am

#9 + Austin Daye for #11 + Luke Babbitt + second rounders?

Goldbum · Post #13 » by **Goldbum** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:49 am

You can have Babbitt and #11.

DusterBuster · Post #14 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:52 am

Piston Pete wrote:It would be like us offering #9 and both our 2nd rounders and cash to you guys for #6....

This is totally wrong. There's a distinct drop-off in talent after about the 6th or 7th pick in this draft. That talent drop-off is not there when going from #9 to #11. Players around 8-15 are all pretty equal from a potential standpoint when you're talking about the likes of Lamb, PJ3, Rivers, Leonard, Waiters, Marshall, Zeller, etc.

I'm not saying the Pistons should move down for the Blazers 2nd rounders, but the specific analogy you used there is unquestionably flawed.

Goldbum wrote:PS this is kinda my dream scenario. A Lillard and Drummond draft could be on par with Roy/ Aldridge.

Totally agree. If I'm the Blazers though, the team I look at trading with would be the Raptors. Then again, if Lillard has helped his value as much as has been reported, they might not be interested in trading down as they'd want him too.

SalemStoner · Post #15 » by **SalemStoner** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:08 am

I personally have no desire to move up to grab Lillard. I also wouldn't draft Drummond at 6.

I don't see any particular reason at this time to want to slide up two spots from #11 to #9. I'd do it if you had interest in taking some seconds, but I value the few guys we have on our roster that might be available(Babbit, EWilliams) for this type of move more than I would the extra two spots up in the draft.

Post #16 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:14 am

If we got Drummond, Marshall might be the best young PG to pair with him.

I am not convinced by the Lillard hype, I don't think he is the clearcut best of the 3rd tier lottery (picks 7-14).

If Detroit is asking for more than second rounders, then they can go ahead and pick Henson or whomever at 9 instead of 11. Fine by me if you want to refuse what would essentially be free assets and pay your rookie more because of it. I also think Henson is a reach at that draft pick.

I also think don't think Lillard would do that well in New Orleans - if they are convinced about getting a PG (and IMO they need a SF more, Jack fits just fine with Gordon) then they should think about Marshall to get the most out of Davis and Gordon, not a scorer like Lillard who would take shots away from Gordon and Davis.

So basically, I am fine with whichever of Marshall/Lillard falls to us at 11, and would not try very hard to move up. I absolutely would not take on a bad contract! (I also want Dragic in the offseason, so I might not even pick a PG at 11)

DusterBuster · Post #17 » by **DusterBuster** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:32 am

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:If we got Drummond, Marshall might be the best young PG to pair with him.

I am not convinced by the Lillard hype, I don't think he is the clearcut best of the 3rd tier lottery (picks 7-14).

If Detroit is asking for more than second rounders, then they can go ahead and pick Henson or whomever at 9 instead of 11. Fine by me if you want to refuse what would essentially be free assets and pay your rookie more because of it. I also think Henson is a reach at that draft pick.

I also think don't think Lillard would do that well in New Orleans - if they are convinced about getting a PG (and IMO they need a SF more, Jack fits just fine with Gordon) then they should think about Marshall to get the most out of Davis and Gordon, not a scorer like Lillard who would take shots away from Gordon and Davis.

So basically, I am fine with whichever of Marshall/Lillard falls to us at 11, and would not try very hard to move up. I absolutely would not take on a bad contract! (I also want Dragic in the offseason, so I might not even pick a PG at 11)

I actually disagree on multiple accounts. I think Lillard definitely is the head of the 3rd tier, if not having wiggled himself into that 2nd tier. On top of that, I think Lillard is a much better PG for Portland if they pick Drummond. While he has a lot of potential, Drummond is going to be pretty much non-existent on the offensive end of the floor for his 1st year. The Blazers need a PG who can score and dish some. With Marshall and Drummond, other teams defenses will be able to let their PG's and C's help double team Aldridge routinely. It would be a nightmare for LA.

All that said, I agree that I'd roll the dice with Marshall @ #11 before I take on a bad contract to move up from 11 to grab Lillard. So it's a big no from me for overpaying to move up.

Piston Pete · Post #18 » by **Piston Pete** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:59 am

Well then the other scenario could be Toronto taking a PG at #8 (Lillard or Marshall) and NO taking the other at #10.

PDXKnight · Post #19 » by **PDXKnight** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:02 am

NO WAY! I don't want lillard and frankly if someone picks lillard before 11 it'll make my day to know that we can't make that mistake! I want Dion Waiters or Terrence Ross at 11 in that order. Frankly both are worlds ahead of any PG in this draft in my opinion. If waiters will be picked higher than we think I'd move up to 9 to nab him but for Lillard, no way.

PDXKnight · Post #20 » by **PDXKnight** » Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:03 am

Piston Pete wrote:Well then the other scenario could be Toronto taking a PG at #8 (Lillard or Marshall) and NO taking the other at #10.

Meh let them leave the REAL prospects to us. I am very happy to not draft one of those two stinkers. I smell sewage and it stinks of the Lillard and Marshall hype getting way beyond ridiculous.

AD
Beal
Robinson
MKG
Barnes
Drummond
Henson
Lamb
Lillard
Sullinger

In no particular order should be the top 10 picks (NOTE: these are not my rankings). I think Waiters can be had at 11 and frankly I think he's the 6th best prospect in the draft and infinitely better than any PG in this draft.