LAL@Kings - Monday, Dec. 26, 2011: game one

[gold_leader64]

This entire effort tonight completely flew over your head.

No, it didn't, because effort won't always compensate. The rockets are a perfect example. They had effort guys, including two that played here in Landry and Hayes, but that didn't stop them from being outclassed by size. Effort can go a long way down the stretch, but it doesn't always matter when you are facing the top teams and expect to make a playoff run. At that level, effort alone isn't enough.

The defense was real and it was unlike ANYTHING seen at ANY point last year. If you didn't recognize it, it's on you and nobody else.

I do recognize, but who were they defending? An old and injured Kobe, Gasol, and who else? Hayes did a great job on Gasol, but they didn't defend anybody, because there wasn't much to defend. Artest still had his way tonight, and the Lakers had no other weapons on the roster with Bynum sitting, so I'm trying to find all this offense that the Kings stopped with their great defense. Let's be real here.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

Wowzers, come all in fired up about our excellent victory, and all I see is "IGNORANT!" posted twenty times.

Come on boys, tonight is a night for optimism! Or I guess my head is just stuck in the sand. Rather be smiling and wrong than pissed off and 'right'.

That's because there's a difference between fanboys and basketball fans. I posted both good and bad from what I saw tonight, and then the fanboys jumped on certain comments, then started to react to a point which I never attempted to make. But hey, that's the internet for you.

You somehow linked our small ball being because we dont have Dally. Get a clue, we saw a team play team defense. We didn't sit around and watch a guy fill up the box score and still manage to give up 110 points.

We know we are going to get outrebounded when we play small ball. We know we are going to get outrebouned when coach puts in Outlaw over Thompson as our PF. We know we are going to get out rebounded when our starting center is in foul trouble. Its not a big deal. 5 more boards is what they had. I can probably say they had like 6 offensive rebounds for bad shots because they were throwing up bricks after we got in thier faces.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

BTW the Dally lead Rockets outrebouned the Magic by 6 tonight. But they gave up 104 points, and still lost the game.

They have 2 7 footers on their team. WE NEED HEIGHT.

[boogie-reke]

This entire effort tonight completely flew over your head.

No, it didn't, because effort won't always compensate. The rockets are a perfect example. They had effort guys, including two that played here in Landry and Hayes, but that didn't stop them from being outclassed by size. Effort can go a long way down the stretch, but it doesn't always matter when you are facing the top teams and expect to make a playoff run. At that level, effort alone isn't enough.

Just like we had size last year but still gave up a shtload of points and sucked defensively?

[gold_leader64]

Dude. Hayes was HUGE today, whichever way you spin it.

Exhibit A: I rest my case.

I totally don't understand what your intetions here are, and what are you actually argueing (again, if it's saying we'd be better with Dally together with Hayes and Cousins - who in the world would argue against it? - if it's having Dally over Hayes, which is what you made everyone here believe from your first reaction, then I and i'm sure many others disagree)

I didn't "make" anybody believe anything. As your first sentence pointed out, that's the default reaction to anything not positive said about this game, regardless of what point I was trying to make.

Free throw shooting? HAYES
Rebounding? HAYES
Coaching? HAYES

I was trying to discuss this team and it's future, but as you pointed out, people just want emotional reactions instead of basketball discussions.

And you wouldn't seem arrogant if you would ACT arrogant. simple as. don't blaim us for acting like an ass to others pal.

I blame people for a "PSHHHH" reaction to an argument I never attempted to make. That's why I can't stand some of the members here. They invent a point and then react to something that was never argued.

[gold_leader64]

You somehow linked our small ball being because we dont have Dally. Get a clue, we saw a team play team defense. We didn't sit around and watch a guy fill up the box score and still manage to give up 110 points.

We know we are going to get outrebounded when we play small ball. We know we are going to get outrebouned when coach puts in Outlaw over Thompson as our PF. We know we are going to get out rebounded when our starting center is in foul trouble. Its not a big deal. 5 more boards is what they had. I can probably say they had like 6 offensive rebounds for bad shots because they were throwing up bricks after we got in thier faces.

Come back to me at the end of the season when the kings are in the lottery again and tell me it's not a big deal.

[SacKingZZZ]

This entire effort tonight completely flew over your head.

No, it didn't, because effort won't always compensate. The rockets are a perfect example. They had effort guys, including two that played here in Landry and Hayes, but that didn't stop them from being outclassed by size. Effort can go a long way down the stretch, but it doesn't always matter when you are facing the top teams and expect to make a playoff run. At that level, effort alone isn't enough.

The defense was real and it was unlike ANYTHING seen at ANY point last year. If you didn't recognize it, it's on you and nobody else.

I do recognize, but who were they defending? An old and injured Kobe, Gasol, and who else? Hayes did a great job on Gasol, but they didn't defend anybody, because there wasn't much to defend. Artest still had his way tonight, and the Lakers had no other weapons on the roster with Bynum sitting, so I'm trying to find all this offense that the Kings stopped with their great defense. Let's be real here.

When you have talent, effort is the key to winning big. That and chemistry on the floor. So the Lakers have no other weapons without Bynum? OK, sure. Maybe that explains why the Kings pretty much controlled the game then? Their help defense was beyond solid and Hayes' help D was off the charts. Many times he stepped in the lane to help and deterred open shots. Not just his blocks or charges, but many times. They did pretty well on the pick and roll as well and Tyreke was just a complete ball hawk. Salmons was great on Kobe as well.

The best thing is the commitment and how the team was playing as a unit on defense, even when Westphal starting to mass substitute they didn't completely fall apart, even though that kind of subbing can destroy team defense and offense.

[gold_leader64]

Just like we had size last year but still gave up a shtload of points and sucked defensively?

Not after they dumped *gasp* the undersized "effort" "leader" Landry. Once they went to their big 3-man rotation, and had Thornton, they started having their best stretch of the season.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

At this point you are looking to attention. Not a single person in this thread acknowledge your initial post. You respond to a post I made about Dally. If the Kings are in the playoffs, will you go away in to your hole were u can look up players heights and stat sheets?

[boogie-reke]

So wait. Hayes was what today, by your definition? Average?

[gold_leader64]

At this point you are looking to attention. Not a single person in this thread acknowledge your initial post. You respond to a post I made about Dally. If the Kings are in the playoffs, will you go away in to your hole were u can look up players heights and stat sheets?

Go ask Utah or Houston how much "stat sheets" did to crap on their frontlines while LA raised more banners. I want the kings to win, not settle for a first round one-and-done season. If you want that, go be a warrior fan. I saw a great opportunity missed this season.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

He must of missed the 27 minutes of lock down defense from Hayes. Maybe he didn't like how the box score looked. Probably just didn't like the way we won the game.

[SacKingZZZ]

You somehow linked our small ball being because we dont have Dally. Get a clue, we saw a team play team defense. We didn't sit around and watch a guy fill up the box score and still manage to give up 110 points.

We know we are going to get outrebounded when we play small ball. We know we are going to get outrebouned when coach puts in Outlaw over Thompson as our PF. We know we are going to get out rebounded when our starting center is in foul trouble. Its not a big deal. 5 more boards is what they had. I can probably say they had like 6 offensive rebounds for bad shots because they were throwing up bricks after we got in thier faces.

Come back to me at the end of the season when the kings are in the lottery again and tell me it's not a big deal.

So, you think a player of Sam Dalemberts ilk makes this team a playoff contender? I won't argue having both Hayes and Dalembert on the squad wouldn't help, and I'm sorry, you have to be talking about him because he was the only realistic option to fulfill that role this year, but you really think that? Evans and Cousins along with Marcus Thornton along with chemistry and experience will be what makes this team a playoff contender. I agree this team could use an interior force, but as evidenced last season, it's a small piece of the puzzle cause last I checked, last season was a lotto year.

[LovingCousins]

Don't feed the troll.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

At this point you are looking to attention. Not a single person in this thread acknowledge your initial post. You respond to a post I made about Dally. If the Kings are in the playoffs, will you go away in to your hole were u can look up players heights and stat sheets?

Go ask Utah or Houston how much "stat sheets" did to crap on their frontlines while LA raised more banners. I want the kings to win, not settle for a first round one-and-done season. If you want that, go be a warrior fan. I saw a great opportunity missed this season.

If you think Dally is going to make us a championship contender than you have alot more to learn about the game of basketball than "OMFG WE NEED 7 FOOOTERS"

[gold_leader64]

So wait. Hayes was what today, by your definition? Average?

I never said the team is worse off with Hayes, but rather worse off with an overall size down-grade. I would have liked to see them pursue some other guys in the market. I was disappointed I didn't hear of a huge offer to Marc Gasol, but there were guys like Aaron Gray who I thought would have been perfect for the team, but they wanted small-ball instead.

[boogie-reke]

At this point you are looking to attention. Not a single person in this thread acknowledge your initial post. You respond to a post I made about Dally. If the Kings are in the playoffs, will you go away in to your hole were u can look up players heights and stat sheets?

Go ask Utah or Houston how much "stat sheets" did to crap on their frontlines while LA raised more banners. I want the kings to win, not settle for a first round one-and-done season. If you want that, go be a warrior fan. I saw a great opportunity missed this season.

You act like this team we have right now is what we'll go to war with for years to come.

I honestly don't understand if you actually believe it, or just say it for the sake of argueing - cause we both know we WILL add more players, almost surely a bigman, to this current roster as we progress as a team and are more ready to make our step.

I think Hayes salary indicates just that.

Why do we have to have someone now? why not try and wait, get a better understanding of our team in a not so importent year for us, and try get a better solution, closer to the time we will REALLY make our push?

[Don Draper]

I miss Chuck Hayes

[AnDrOiDKing4]

At this point you are looking to attention. Not a single person in this thread acknowledge your initial post. You respond to a post I made about Dally. If the Kings are in the playoffs, will you go away in to your hole were u can look up players heights and stat sheets?

Go ask Utah or Houston how much "stat sheets" did to crap on their frontlines while LA raised more banners. I want the kings to win, not settle for a first round one-and-done season. If you want that, go be a warrior fan. I saw a great opportunity missed this season.

You act like this team we have right now is what we'll go to war with for years to come.

I honestly don't understand if you actually believe it, or just say it for the sake of argueing - cause we both know we WILL add more players, almost surely a bigman, to this current roster as we progress as a team and are more ready to make our step.

I think Hayes salary indicates just that.

Didnt you know, we are done making moves. This is it. Forever. We won't make any more trades. We won't use the cap room we have next year. We won't draft any more people. We will just have to watch from our couches when Dally raises a banner in Houston.

[RIPskaterdude]

Jesus, from reading the comments in the last few pages, you would have thought that we lost tonight.....

ENJOY THE WIN AND STOP BITCHING ALREADY