Starting lineup?

[codydaze]

benchmobbin is never wrong, guys.

I like Koufos starting with WCS off the bench from what I saw last night. Koufos is solid and I like the spark the Collison/Belinelli/WCS trio brings off the bench. Our starting unit is going to need to find a way to get it done because the bench kept us in that game last night.

Especially when the entire basis on your argument is based around what wasn't even said in the first place.

Koufos and Cousins can work in certain scenarios but all evidence so far suggests that there are much better lineups to be had.

First part was definitely green font but idk. It's a tough matchup against the Clippers because how athletic Griffin is, but I think Koufos will work fine in the starting lineup. My thought process is let the second unit be explosive and dynamic with WCS/Casspi/Collison/Belli and let Koufos and Cousins lock down the paint for the starting lineup. I just think WCS would be a marginal difference in the starting lineup and could bring a lot more running with the bench.

[benchmobbin02]

I'm still trying to figure out what you "called me" on.

The fact that your evidence for the statement and stance that you took was none existent and asinine.

Also how does only including number 3 above matter at all?

It matters because "all over the place" means disjointed or unorganized in a large way. Karl explained that the lineups would change so changing them isnt "all over the place". Doesn't even come close to that description.

Rotating lineups with an idea of how you want to match up is one thing but deciding on a whim is another. Maybe that's not what it was, but it sure sounded like it to me.

He didn't decide on a whim. A whim is an unexplained sudden desire or change of mind. He made a coaching decision that fell in line with statements he already made as to assembling the starting lineup after watching the 2 final practices before the regular season and explained it.

We can do this any way you want but you'll be wrong every time.

Whim: A sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained. Not exclusively an unexplained sudden desire. This is your problem you jumble up words and the entire point of someones statement. Where did I say it was unexplained?

You didn't say it was unexplained. I said it was explained as a way to further support my statement that his coaching decision wasn't a whim. Which it wasn't.

[benchmobbin02]

I'm still trying to figure out what you "called me" on.

The fact that your evidence for the statement and stance that you took was none existent and asinine.

Also how does only including number 3 above matter at all?

It matters because "all over the place" means disjointed or unorganized in a large way. Karl explained that the lineups would change so changing them isnt "all over the place". Doesn't even come close to that description.

Rotating lineups with an idea of how you want to match up is one thing but deciding on a whim is another. Maybe that's not what it was, but it sure sounded like it to me.

He didn't decide on a whim. A whim is an unexplained sudden desire or change of mind. He made a coaching decision that fell in line with statements he already made as to assembling the starting lineup after watching the 2 final practices before the regular season and explained it.

We can do this any way you want but you'll be wrong every time.

Whim: A sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained. Not exclusively an unexplained sudden desire. This is your problem you jumble up words and the entire point of someones statement. Where did I say it was unexplained?

You didn't say it was unexplained. I said it was explained as a way to further support my statement that his coaching decision wasn't a whim. Which it wasn't.

[benchmobbin02]

Whim: A sudden desire or change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained. Not exclusively an unexplained sudden desire. This is your problem you jumble up words and the entire point of someones statement. Where did I say it was unexplained?

You didn't say it was unexplained. I said it was explained as a way to further support my statement that his coaching decision wasn't a whim. Which it wasn't. Pretty simple.

[Kings2013]

Something to keep an eye on with the starters is Rondo's fit with the franchise. As Grant said Collison right now could be considered the team's third best player and last summer didn't hide his disdain for the franchise's move to acquire another PG, and in his interview with Grant today I got the sense if he had his druthers he would be starting. Hopefully it works with Rondo

[blind prophet]

Something to keep an eye on with the starters is Rondo's fit with the franchise. As Grant said Collison right now could be considered the team's third best player and last summer didn't hide his disdain for the franchise's move to acquire another PG, and in his interview with Grant today I got the sense if he had his druthers he would be starting. Hopefully it works with Rondo

I think Rondo on a proven winner with a long term contract is much more likely to accept a "lesser" role.

[SacKingZZZ]

Collison was the first PG that fit with Cousins. So far, it looks likes things aren't too much different. More shooting for a big that can carve out space and pass from almost any position on the floor is always a good thing.

Personally I'm interested in seeing more of that lineup what brought the Kings back in the first game and also the one he went with to finish the game with Rondo in there instead of Omri next to Collison and Marco.

[SacKingZZZ]

I think I'll just leave this here:

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[benchmobbin02]

Players being frustrated is more a reflection of losing. The stress on this team has been constant with injuries, slumping players, young players, inexperienced players in the system the team is running and the outside scrutiny. When all players are on the same page and really start buying into what they are being asked to do and we start making gains in productions and wins it won't matter who is starting but who is the best player at the moment to help the team. Cuz calling the player meeting is a sign that he is rallying the guys together. They need to all be out for each other first of all and the other stuff comes after that.

[SacKingZZZ]

No doubt, and hopefully they can grow stronger from this, but I think the players are right on this one, they need the right system in place first in order to not fight the same uphill battle they have been. The structure needs to be there and it can only come from the top down, not just from the players themselves.

[benchmobbin02]

Just because it's not the type of structure you're use to seeing, that is to say, the same 5 players starting every game and set post plays, doesn't mean there isn't a structure and a defined way to play. Karl has always been about playing together on defense, giving players freedom to create within the system and playing uptempo. Once the players buy into that structure and are all on the same page we will start seeing better results.

[benchmobbin02]

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[benchmobbin02]

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[SacKingZZZ]

Just because it's not the type of structure you're use to seeing, that is to say, the same 5 players starting every game and set post plays, doesn't mean there isn't a structure and a defined way to play. Karl has always been about playing together on defense, giving players freedom to create within the system and playing uptempo. Once the players buy into that structure and are all on the same page we will start seeing better results.

There's some sort of structure there, just the wrong one apparently. The structure that fits these players needs to be there. Hopefully there is some sort of middle ground at least.

[benchmobbin02]

It's not apparent that the structure is intrinsically "wrong". The players have only barely begun to get comfortable in the system and have had injuries to key guys to deal with. It's a process. But you are right that the system design and the skill set, natural attributes and chemistry of the players all need to be considered by the coaches when putting together a game plan. It's far too early to say whether the overall structure is wrong in my opinion.

[SacKingZZZ]

Apparently not too early for the players themselves to point it out. Some stuff might work but the overall fundamental basis needs altering, and yes, the intrinsic nature of the system just never looked right with the team Vlade built. Things need to change including from a rotation and player management perspective.

[benchmobbin02]

The fundamental basis is what has worked and will work in the long run. You know nothing about the player management, the inner workings of the locker room or the reasoning for the rotation. I will hereafter refer to this as YOLF behavior (Ye Of Little Faith). Not name calling but a description of perceived behavior.

[SacKingZZZ]

The fundamental basis is what has worked and will work in the long run. You know nothing about the player management, the inner workings of the locker room or the reasoning for the rotation. I will hereafter refer to this as YOLF behavior (Ye Of Little Faith). Not name calling but a description of perceived behavior.

No, not ye of little faith, more like QTSMBMOOA (questioning the same mistakes being made over and over again).

[benchmobbin02]

Those exhibiting YOLF behavior always have an excuse. So yes, YOLF

[jeffjtk1234]

Those exhibiting YOLF behavior always have an excuse. So yes, YOLF

Two things...

1. Your posts are truly hard to handle sometimes. Not a personal attack, just an observation.

2. SacKingZZZ is right here. How can anyone trust anything this franchise does after the last 10 years of futility and chaos? The lineups have been inconsistent and there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the changes. Hopefully Karl sticks with the lineup now (although I'd prefer BMac over Anderson) and lets them play.

Honestly the system does not seem to fit the players within it. Yeah they beat the pistons, but do you really think we can consistently win games with Cousins as a stretch 5? You have a dominant presence down low and never feed him down low. He's being used to set screens and hit long 2's/3's. That's not going to win many games.

I have yet to see Karl devise a game plan that puts cousins or even gay in a position to utilize their strengths. Frankly, running the same off ball screens for Marco and isolating Gay at end of games is concerning.

Rondo is excelling because he has freedom, but I want to see the system play to their stars strengths not force them to do things that aren't necessarily efficient or smart.