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JT's contract may be 34 mil over 5 years 

Post#1 » by blind prophet » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:02 am

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/7/10 ... er-5-years

While it has been known for a few days now that the Sacramento Kings would re-sign Restricted Free Agent Forward Jason Thompson, the terms of the deal have not been discloses. Prior speculation put the deal at 4 years, $26 million, but a recent report from the CourierPostOnline.com says that the terms of the contract are 5 years, $34 million. Thompson does himself say in the interview that his deal is at least five years, although financials are not mentioned.

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Post#2 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:32 am

Yep, welcome back Kenny Thomas. :lol:
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Post#3 » by blind prophet » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:51 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Yep, welcome back Kenny Thomas. :lol:


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Post#4 » by KF10 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:00 am

I hope the 5th year is at least a team option or partial guaranteed or something along those lines.
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Post#5 » by blind prophet » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:07 am

KF10 wrote:I hope the 5th year is at least a team option or partial guaranteed or something along those lines.


it is not clear, but I hope so as well.
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Post#6 » by pillwenney » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:15 am

Oh God damn it. This better only be partly true.
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Post#7 » by sacking123 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:02 am

Hopefully that 5th year is a team option which I would expect it to be one.
When will we see something official with this and what it means in terms of yearly salary for JT?
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Post#8 » by City of Trees » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:16 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:Yep, welcome back Kenny Thomas. :lol:

You guys are ridiculous

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Post#9 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:00 pm

No, the only thing ridiculous is anyone who can't see the potential correlation between two 7 million a year bigs who are decent all around players, who don't specialize in any one aspect of the game, who make 7 million dollars off the bench, and who just won't be able to produce like they should because of lack of opportunity. It almost has nothing to do with Jason Thompson the player, it has everything to do with this team. It's like saying JJ Hickson is worth a 1st round pick. Well yeah, as a talent he is, but for the Kings was he? He didn't fit because he also didn't fill those same needs. If this team had a spot for Hicksons talents all last year like Portland did for the last few weeks of the season he'd probably be back here on a near max contract. See how good that contract looks when JT is getting 9 and 6 off the bench. As a starter I think he could easily live up to that deal. Situation is everything.

You also have to wonder what the market for JT was, I heard nothing about any suitors in that range, nor any suitors period. If you're going to overpay for someone, you need to at least be certain that there is some sort of relative value here.
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Post#10 » by City of Trees » Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:24 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:You also have to wonder what the market for JT was, I heard nothing about any suitors in that range, nor any suitors period. If you're going to overpay for someone, you need to at least be certain that there is some sort of relative value here.




We can return to this once free agency is over. JT was ranked the 6th best PF in FA.. Once all the deals are done we can kind of gauge this deal.
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Post#11 » by SacKingZZZ » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:10 pm

By who? The GM's? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that no team offered him anything that he signed. He was a restricted FA and no team signed him to a tender because the Kings didn't have to match ANYTHING.
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Post#12 » by KF10 » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:34 pm

From AV's live chat:

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Any new indications on the length of JT's deal? Hoping for no more than 3 years. JT still has a lot to prove.


A:

I believe JT signed a five-year deal, for $5-6 million per season average, with the Kings holding option on the final year for $2.5 million. This seems like a very reasonable deal for both parties. It's also a very tradeable contract for a durable young big, even if JT is best suited as a 4-5 off the bench. Teams need those players (think A.C. Green). Now .... if Thompson could ever become consistent ...


She believes the deal is for 5 years averaging $5-$6 million per season. Final year is partially guaranteed, $2.5 million.
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Post#13 » by blind prophet » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:45 pm

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SacKingZZZ wrote:Yep, welcome back Kenny Thomas. :lol:

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Post#14 » by sacking123 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:23 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:No, the only thing ridiculous is anyone who can't see the potential correlation between two 7 million a year bigs who are decent all around players, who don't specialize in any one aspect of the game, who make 7 million dollars off the bench, and who just won't be able to produce like they should because of lack of opportunity. It almost has nothing to do with Jason Thompson the player, it has everything to do with this team. It's like saying JJ Hickson is worth a 1st round pick. Well yeah, as a talent he is, but for the Kings was he? He didn't fit because he also didn't fill those same needs. If this team had a spot for Hicksons talents all last year like Portland did for the last few weeks of the season he'd probably be back here on a near max contract. See how good that contract looks when JT is getting 9 and 6 off the bench. As a starter I think he could easily live up to that deal. Situation is everything.

You also have to wonder what the market for JT was, I heard nothing about any suitors in that range, nor any suitors period. If you're going to overpay for someone, you need to at least be certain that there is some sort of relative value here.

That is what I was wondering all along. As soon as Petrie said it was priority number 1 to sign him I thought he was just paying lip service and would wait until he got some indication of his value.
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Post#15 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:03 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:No, the only thing ridiculous is anyone who can't see the potential correlation between two 7 million a year bigs who are decent all around players, who don't specialize in any one aspect of the game, who make 7 million dollars off the bench, and who just won't be able to produce like they should because of lack of opportunity. It almost has nothing to do with Jason Thompson the player, it has everything to do with this team. It's like saying JJ Hickson is worth a 1st round pick. Well yeah, as a talent he is, but for the Kings was he? He didn't fit because he also didn't fill those same needs. If this team had a spot for Hicksons talents all last year like Portland did for the last few weeks of the season he'd probably be back here on a near max contract. See how good that contract looks when JT is getting 9 and 6 off the bench. As a starter I think he could easily live up to that deal. Situation is everything.

You also have to wonder what the market for JT was, I heard nothing about any suitors in that range, nor any suitors period. If you're going to overpay for someone, you need to at least be certain that there is some sort of relative value here.

That is what I was wondering all along. As soon as Petrie said it was priority number 1 to sign him I thought he was just paying lip service and would wait until he got some indication of his value.



Petrie has always been more than fair to players he likes. As fans we can take the human element and throw it out the window. I have no doubt that JT just as a good human being is worth a bonus. Good teammate, ultimate professional, etc. etc. But your exactly right. The only caveat would be that he may have feared that when teams started getting their offers matched they'd then turn to JT and overpay for him. Personally, I didn't and don't see that happening. And even if it did maybe you can get a nice sign and trade. This smells too close to one of those moves where you hold onto someone just so nobody else can have him. Terrible timing to do that. Pretty much any space the Kings now have going forward is only good enough to keep the pieces you already have, adding anything else without trading for it is pretty much extinguished.
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Post#16 » by blind prophet » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:14 am

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Petrie has always been more than fair to players he likes. As fans we can take the human element and throw it out the window. I have no doubt that JT just as a good human being is worth a bonus. Good teammate, ultimate professional, etc. etc. But your exactly right. The only caveat would be that he may have feared that when teams started getting their offers matched they'd then turn to JT and overpay for him. Personally, I didn't and don't see that happening. And even if it did maybe you can get a nice sign and trade. This smells too close to one of those moves where you hold onto someone just so nobody else can have him. Terrible timing to do that. Pretty much any space the Kings now have going forward is only good enough to keep the pieces you already have, adding anything else without trading for it is pretty much extinguished.


To be fair to Geoff, JT, and Chuck....

JT & Chuck seem to be positive attitude and good teammates for a variety of reasons.

T Rob is just starting out, so may be some complications, but I like the kid and expect him to out play JT within a short amount of time.

Perhaps Geoff figured there was nothing worth taking in FA, and locked up JT while he could with the expectation on moving Chuck or JT by the deadline, or next off season.

Would I have made these assumptions that I could move JT or Chuck for something reasonable in the future? No I would have not, especially with both of them locked for at least 3 years.

If Hassan develops decently I would have to assume either Chuck or JT would be on the block by trade deadline.

I am very happy for JT as a person, he seems like a really good guy, but still don't like this long term commitment.
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Post#17 » by SacKingZZZ » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:28 am

If TRob doesn't come out right away and take that PF spot he's a bust. And I don't see that happening, he's got major potential (I see the passing ability big fella!), just hope he gets a chance to show it. If you're a top 5 talent in a decent draft going to a team with a revolving door at your position the year before and you don't nail it down, whoops! I don't have many doubts that the position is his (it better be from day 1 Smart!), but you never know with this team!

We obviously know some things, and don't know others. I always like to take as much fact as I can, or is available and use that to formulate a portion of my opinion. Besides the need filling differences between Hayes and Thompson lets just look at potential value around the league. By all accounts the JT signing was a one horse race. Last year Hayes at least had multiple suitors including one that has already attempted to trade back for him. That says he's probably movable at his price. JT? Who knows. If he gets the minutes off the bench he did last year, and performs the way he did off the bench last year, it's still decent production, but at 7 million a year, even 6 or 5, you're probably eating a crap deal in return to move him.

I wasn't hinging this teams future on free agent signings, not by any stretch. I moreso wanted to see some movement in the direction Petrie even cited as focal point of the summer. Brandon Rush makes sense. Maybe looking into Dorrel Wright makes sense. Going after Ryan Anderson makes sense to an extent. Going after Anderson thinking he can be your SF, I'm sorry, consider my confidence shaken! haha.
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Post#18 » by Inigo_Montoya » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:37 pm

SacKingZZZ wrote:By who? The GM's? Maybe, maybe not. All I know is that no team offered him anything that he signed. He was a restricted FA and no team signed him to a tender because the Kings didn't have to match ANYTHING.

Here is a new quote from JT: "I was fortunate to have other options to look at," Thompson said. "… I felt this was the best situation."
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/12/462546 ... rylink=cpy
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Post#19 » by City of Trees » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:35 am

I know all of you were crying about paying JT... did I just here his cap number this year is only 5.25 mil ?!?!?!
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Post#20 » by blind prophet » Fri Jul 13, 2012 2:00 am

Evans Is King wrote:I know all of you were crying about paying JT... did I just here his cap number this year is only 5.25 mil ?!?!?!


It starts at 6, it progressively increases by 7.5% more each year after from what I understand, no details on 5th year if it is a team option or not yet.

so at 7.5+7.5+7.5 by year 4 should be close to 7.5 mil then.

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