Worst contracts in the league, Jarl Thompandry

[blind prophet]

http://grantland.com/features/bill-simm ... contracts/

14. Jarl Thompandry: four years, $50.9 million combined
Possible reasons why new Kings owner Vivek Ranadive gave backup power forward Carl Landry a four-year, $26 million deal just 12 months after the old Kings owners gave backup power forward Jason Thompson a five-year, $30.1 million extension …

Possibility No. 1: Didn’t know about the salary cap yet. Thought his front office was kidding when they kept mentioning it.

Possibility No. 2: Needed $50.9 million of misguided backup power forward insurance in case Sacramento’s $60 million extension for Boogie Cousins turned out to be misguided.

Possibility No. 3: Drunk-signed Landry at 2:30 a.m. the same way people drunk-order stuff on eBay or Amazon.

Possibility No. 4: Cared more about hurting the Warriors (Landry’s old team) than helping the Kings. (My favorite scenario, by the way. Total spite signing!)

Possibility No. 5: Wanted to see if I’d go with “Carlson Landrompson” or “Jarl Thompandry” when I combined them for my 30 Worst Contracts column.

Possibilty No. 6: All of the above.

A hint for future owners and GMs: If you have $40 million or more committed to someone who could be one of the three best players on a Finals team, or you have $50 million or more committed to two backups who play the same position, well … (hold on, I gotta figure out how to say this delicately) … (just give me one more second) … YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!!!! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?????



Does anyone around here still defend this?

[SacKingZZZ]

The only way it makes sense is if they thought Thompson could be traded down the line. They then realized at the deadline the cold hard realities on that one.

[SactoKingsFan]

Didn't like the JT contract from the start. Thought they should have let him walk. And I thought PDA gave Landry that ridiculous contract just so they could say they signed someone.

[pillwenney]

In all fairness, Landry really didn't have a chance to play up to the contract this year. The injuries made it worse, but that stuff generally isn't foreseen.

It's bad, but it can only get better from here.

[blind prophet]

In all fairness, Landry really didn't have a chance to play up to the contract this year. The injuries made it worse, but that stuff generally isn't foreseen.

It's bad, but it can only get better from here.

You're a nice guy,

it stinks, its terrible, come on say it with me now.

Booooo

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[blind prophet]

The only way it makes sense is if they thought Thompson could be traded down the line. They then realized at the deadline the cold hard realities on that one.

Yeah this is a possibility, would of been just a bad setup then. But I bet they did think JT could be moved easier than he could be.

[blind prophet]

Didn't like the JT contract from the start. Thought they should have let him walk. And I thought PDA gave Landry that ridiculous contract just so they could say they signed someone.

I'm thinking it was ownership tinkering, old Warrior ties.

No proof of that, but is a possible explanation.

[SacKingZZZ]

Carl isn't that bad though. I think if in the right situation, just like with JT maybe, he can live up to that deal.

[blind prophet]

Carl isn't that bad though. I think if in the right situation, just like with JT maybe, he can live up to that deal.

JT backing up Cousins, and a decent 4 with Evans off the bench is solid. JT paid like 3 million that is.

Certainly not at his current rate.

And anyone paying more than 5 million for a healthy Landry per IMO is making a terrible move.

Combine them both, wow.

[nolimit0820]

I think they brought in Landry to help establish Malones culture...given he coached Landry with two different franchises


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[SacKingZZZ]

Carl isn't that bad though. I think if in the right situation, just like with JT maybe, he can live up to that deal.

JT backing up Cousins, and a decent 4 with Evans off the bench is solid. JT paid like 3 million that is.

Certainly not at his current rate.

And anyone paying more than 5 million for a healthy Landry per IMO is making a terrible move.

Combine them both, wow.

JT in order for him to be worth his deal he'd have to be a full time starter for a team, or a starter minute backup on the right team. Landry is still at least in the range of potential 6th man of the year type money. Maybe a little overpaid. If they use him for his scoring he won't be nearly as overpaid as JT since Landry has been and can be a legit 6th man of the year candidate in any given year.

[Big_Cat]

If we resign Isaiah, keep our draft pick, and did no other moves...our roster next season will cost more than the

San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets, Chicago Bulls, Memphis Grizzlies, Phoenix Suns...heck, our roster may even potentially be more expensive than the Miami Heat.


Let that sink in. All for what? A roster that will be desperately fighting for maybe an 8th seed? Most likely a lottery team?



Guys like Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Marcus Thornton, John Salmons, Kenny Thomas, Beno Udrih, Mikki Moore, etc., etc., etc., etc.,....is what KILLS a franchise. And yet watch...we'll probably give out another MLE this summer sigggh....

[Wolfay]

And all but one of those were given out by a 100% different ownership/management, and the one that wasn't, was injured most of the year. Two of them were unloaded quite easily by the new ownership/management. Three if you want to include Chuck Hayes, and all of them in a single season.

It's really whining for the sake of whining at this point.

[Big_Cat]

And all but one of those were given out by a 100% different ownership/management, and the one that wasn't, was injured most of the year. Two of them were unloaded quite easily by the new ownership/management. Three if you want to include Chuck Hayes, and all of them in a single season.

It's really whining for the sake of whining at this point.

It's not whining. It's pointing out and hopefully the organization and everyone learns the mistake of overpaying for bench/role players. At first it may seem that a MLE contract isn't significant in the grand scheme of things, but when you really analysis it, 1 MLE contract is often the difference between being able to afford an All-Star vs a normal starter.


The whole point is, we REALLY need to be sure of what we want to do with Isaiah Thomas and if we retain him, we need to ensure our system and surrounding pieces will help feature his talents and abilities. If he just ends up being another "talented" piece and we don't create the perfect fit, I am 100% confident he will end up on the list of players I previously mentioned. We CANNOT afford to resign Isaiah (or any MLE) without understanding how the remaining pieces will fit around them, their exact role, and if we can highlight their strengths and minimize their weaknesses (ie look at SAS).

[blind prophet]

And all but one of those were given out by a 100% different ownership/management, and the one that wasn't, was injured most of the year. Two of them were unloaded quite easily by the new ownership/management. Three if you want to include Chuck Hayes, and all of them in a single season.

It's really whining for the sake of whining at this point.

It's not whining. It's pointing out and hopefully the organization and everyone learns the mistake of overpaying for bench/role players. At first it may seem that a MLE contract isn't significant in the grand scheme of things, but when you really analysis it, 1 MLE contract is often the difference between being able to afford an All-Star vs a normal starter.


The whole point is, we REALLY need to be sure of what we want to do with Isaiah Thomas and if we retain him, we need to ensure our system and surrounding pieces will help feature his talents and abilities. If he just ends up being another "talented" piece and we don't create the perfect fit, I am 100% confident he will end up on the list of players I previously mentioned. We CANNOT afford to resign Isaiah (or any MLE) without understanding how the remaining pieces will fit around them, their exact role, and if we can highlight their strengths and minimize their weaknesses (ie look at SAS).

We can always overpay for 1 year when in a tough spot too.

Some of these guys try to justify it, when its a 4 or even 5 year deal. That's garbage, we've handcuffed our-self so massively its hard to have any faith.

I sure hope we find a way to do something by the deadline, this season was hosed anyway, the odds are poor we will be able to move Landry or JT though.

[SacKingZZZ]

If we resign Isaiah, keep our draft pick, and did no other moves...our roster next season will cost more than the

San Antonio Spurs, Golden State Warriors, Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets, Chicago Bulls, Memphis Grizzlies, Phoenix Suns...heck, our roster may even potentially be more expensive than the Miami Heat.


Let that sink in. All for what? A roster that will be desperately fighting for maybe an 8th seed? Most likely a lottery team?



Guys like Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Marcus Thornton, John Salmons, Kenny Thomas, Beno Udrih, Mikki Moore, etc., etc., etc., etc.,....is what KILLS a franchise. And yet watch...we'll probably give out another MLE this summer sigggh....

On the flip side, the right role players at the right time can make a team too. The Kings used to be really good at bringing in the right guys for the job. Give that MLE, full MLE isn't probably necessary, to someone like Thabo Sefelosha and you've made a wise choice for this team. Give a MLE deal to Glen Davis and you're not just off the map but out of the universe.

I say never pass up on the right guy at the right time, but if you can't get the right guy, don't just go for the value pick. Go for the next best fit.

[SacKingZZZ]

And all but one of those were given out by a 100% different ownership/management, and the one that wasn't, was injured most of the year. Two of them were unloaded quite easily by the new ownership/management. Three if you want to include Chuck Hayes, and all of them in a single season.

It's really whining for the sake of whining at this point.

It's not whining. It's pointing out and hopefully the organization and everyone learns the mistake of overpaying for bench/role players. At first it may seem that a MLE contract isn't significant in the grand scheme of things, but when you really analysis it, 1 MLE contract is often the difference between being able to afford an All-Star vs a normal starter.


The whole point is, we REALLY need to be sure of what we want to do with Isaiah Thomas and if we retain him, we need to ensure our system and surrounding pieces will help feature his talents and abilities. If he just ends up being another "talented" piece and we don't create the perfect fit, I am 100% confident he will end up on the list of players I previously mentioned. We CANNOT afford to resign Isaiah (or any MLE) without understanding how the remaining pieces will fit around them, their exact role, and if we can highlight their strengths and minimize their weaknesses (ie look at SAS).

Exactly, but it still depends on what IT gets. I think there is a price range where you don't even question bringing him back or not. That price range isn't all that high though so good luck to them getting him back at that price level.

[Wolfay]

And yet watch...we'll probably give out another MLE this summer sigggh....

This is the line I had a problem with. You used the history of an ownership/management that doesn't exist anymore to justify an absurd stance on a new ownership/management that if anything, has done the opposite when they unloaded three bad contracts in a single season. That's whining, and whining doesn't contribute to discussion.

[bleeds_purple]

This is the line I had a problem with. You used the history of an ownership/management that doesn't exist anymore to justify an absurd stance on a new ownership/management that if anything, has done the opposite when they unloaded three bad contracts in a single season. That's whining, and whining doesn't contribute to discussion.

What would you call the Landry signing then? You can call what Big_Cat said was whining, from an outside perspective I would call it pointing out pitfalls in a logical manner.

[Wolfay]

This is the line I had a problem with. You used the history of an ownership/management that doesn't exist anymore to justify an absurd stance on a new ownership/management that if anything, has done the opposite when they unloaded three bad contracts in a single season. That's whining, and whining doesn't contribute to discussion.

What would you call the Landry signing then? You can call what Big_Cat said was whining, from an outside perspective I would call it pointing out pitfalls in a logical manner.

I don't call it anything. He was injured. To make any firm judgement when he's barely played is silly.