Jarl Thompandry dumped with Sauce and future 1st for cap room

[mksp]

I don't think Philly is a bottom-3 team anymore, though this depends mostly on Embiid's health. If he's healthy I think we push for the 8th seed (mostly because we play in the East). If not, we're probably in the 4 - 8 range. Philly wasn't as bad as people thought last year, particularly post all-star break (before Noel was "injured' the last couple games). Even without Embiid, a Wroten--Stauskas--Covington--Noel--Okafor starting five is intriguing, though still only likely to win 30 games or so.

The thing with the pick swaps is that it's additional lottery balls for Philly. So as long as SAC doesn't make the playoffs, the trade is accretive in theory, though obviously the likelihood of those lottery balls being meaningful depends on your record.

You can say that but looking at all the teams right now I would predict the Sixers to finish with the worst record in the league now that the Lakers added Lou Will/Bass/Hibbert. Who's your point guard? Do you even have a single proven player?

Saying you'll make the playoffs is an insane prediction. Even in the east.

You're right on the pick swaps. Its a couple more percentage points toward winning the lottery. Next year could be a great draft for the Sixers - likely to have 4 picks in the first round - probably something like #1, #7, #20, #27.

Yeah, I agree it's pretty insane, but that was with the caveat that Joel Embiid plays. And I recognize he'll be a rookie, I just think he's going to be very, very, very good.

PG is a question, for sure. Hinkie loves Isiah Canaan, but he didn't play particularly well after the trade. TJ McConnell is on our summer league team. Wroten can play point. Jordan McRae has been getting some run at point, we're looking forward to seeing him play in SL.

I think Nerlens Noel is a proven player defensively at this point, and this is supported by all advanced stats. He's a legitimate disruptive force on that side of the ball.

Beyond that, a lot of potential. If Stauskas can look like a legit SG and Covington can improve his 3P% by a couple ticks now that he'll have a bit more space to operate with Embiid and/or Okafor in the middle, then we'll make some noise. If Okafor struggles with NBA level athleticism and Embiid is hurt all year, then Stauskas/Covington will probably struggle as well.

A bit too early to try to rank them, but I think DEN / POR / LAL / MIN / DET / CHA / BK / SAC / PHI / ORL are probably the ten worst teams next season. A lot can change between now and the start of the season though.

[perezident]

^Not sure if serious

[enderwilson]

So now FAs are over, if you were GM of the Kings and someone called and offered you in a trade: Rajon Rondo, Kosta Koufos, and Marco Belinelli for Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas, a protected pick 3 years from now, and some pick swaps with a bad team, I think many GMs would take that deal.

Maybe some would, if they were intent on rebuilding. (Edit: by this I mean a prolonged rebuilding phase.)

We're not. Rondo, Koufos, Belinelli make us a much stronger team than those other three.

[Fola314]

So now FAs are over, if you were GM of the Kings and someone called and offered you in a trade: Rajon Rondo, Kosta Koufos, and Marco Belinelli for Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas, a protected pick 3 years from now, and some pick swaps with a bad team, I think many GMs would take that deal.

Maybe some would, if they were intent on rebuilding. (Edit: by this I mean a prolonged rebuilding phase.)

We're not. Rondo, Koufos, Belinelli make us a much stronger team than those other three.

Yea that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion, I sort of phrased it in a weird way. I meant most GMs in the Kings position would take the deal. Meaning supposing you are Kings GM, and GM of X team calls you up and says "Hey ender I'll give you Kuofos, Rondo and Belinelli and you give me a pick, some pick swaps, Nik, JT and Landry. Yes or no?" my guess is most people in that position would say yes.

[enderwilson]

So now FAs are over, if you were GM of the Kings and someone called and offered you in a trade: Rajon Rondo, Kosta Koufos, and Marco Belinelli for Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Nik Stauskas, a protected pick 3 years from now, and some pick swaps with a bad team, I think many GMs would take that deal.

Maybe some would, if they were intent on rebuilding. (Edit: by this I mean a prolonged rebuilding phase.)

We're not. Rondo, Koufos, Belinelli make us a much stronger team than those other three.

Yea that's what I meant, sorry for the confusion, I sort of phrased it in a weird way. I meant most GMs in the Kings position would take the deal. Meaning supposing you are Kings GM, and GM of X team calls you up and says "Hey ender I'll give you Kuofos, Rondo and Belinelli and you give me a pick, some pick swaps, Nik, JT and Landry. Yes or no?" my guess is most people in that position would say yes.

I get ya. I thought you were suggesting that GM's would reverse the trade. Agree with your original intent.

[ICMTM]

This is a fun conversation.

I think from Sacramento's vantage point, the problem is you guys play in the West. And even he most optimistic fan would have to concede that the following teams are definitely better: (1) GS, (2) SA, (3) OKC, (4) HOU, (5) MEM, (6) LAC.

Then you add NOLA, UTAH, DALLAS and PHX into the group of teams that are competing for the last two seeds, and it's difficult to see a path by which SAC makes the playoffs.

The pick swaps are just playing with fire. If Cousins gets hurts, SAC is probably a bottom 3 team, but you could only end up with the 8th or 9th pick. And how do you sell trading him now if the season doesn't start well? You can't "tank" because you may just end up with Philly's pick.

It's just so bizarre to me that Vlade made this deal.

Do you guys think Nik Stauskas will improve playing in a more stable atmosphere with more of a focus on player development? Three head coaches in your rookie season can't be easy. He obviously needs to get stronger, but it's far from unheard of that a player will get stronger between years 1 and 2.

From our perspective, one of the exciting consequences of this trade is I think most of us are happy to root for wins now, while rooting for SAC and LAL to "tank" (i.e. be bad) by proxy. So don't take it personally that we'll be rooting against y'all for the next two seasons, its just business.

A few things:

1. Cousins only played 59 games last season, Darren Collison 45. This was an injured team
2. Nik's ceiling is JJ Reddick. Floor Jimmer Fredette
3. We have depth now in the back court. Sessions was a nightmare, and we didn't have anyone else that backed up the guard positions to be productive. With Collison and Belinelli being your projected players off the bench that is a major upgrade. Add Koufas, and Casspi (Our only reliable bench player from last year) we have something that looks like depth! Just think I'm calling out bench from last year terrible and Stauskas didn't get any run. He didn't deserve it.
4. I'd replace Dallas with the Clippers. The Clips losing Jordan and Barnes will be big (prediction).

Even missing the playoffs the Kings are among the 4-5 teams fighting for essentially two playoff spots.

[bleeds_purple]

Yeah, I agree it's pretty insane, but that was with the caveat that Joel Embiid plays. And I recognize he'll be a rookie, I just think he's going to be very, very, very good.

PG is a question, for sure. Hinkie loves Isiah Canaan, but he didn't play particularly well after the trade. TJ McConnell is on our summer league team. Wroten can play point. Jordan McRae has been getting some run at point, we're looking forward to seeing him play in SL.

I think Nerlens Noel is a proven player defensively at this point, and this is supported by all advanced stats. He's a legitimate disruptive force on that side of the ball.

Beyond that, a lot of potential. If Stauskas can look like a legit SG and Covington can improve his 3P% by a couple ticks now that he'll have a bit more space to operate with Embiid and/or Okafor in the middle, then we'll make some noise. If Okafor struggles with NBA level athleticism and Embiid is hurt all year, then Stauskas/Covington will probably struggle as well.

A bit too early to try to rank them, but I think DEN / POR / LAL / MIN / DET / CHA / BK / SAC / PHI / ORL are probably the ten worst teams next season. A lot can change between now and the start of the season though.

Isn't that the point? Your most proven player is a defensive specialist with not much of an offensive game. Don't get me wrong I like Heinke's plan and have admired his strategy from its inception - its as audacious as it is brilliant. But the 76ers are going to be bad next year and all of the other bad teams got significantly better. Portland is a big question mark and I could see them with the worst record this year but even then that puts Philly 2nd.

As for the pick swap, let's say the improbable happens and this season becomes a disaster or we somehow manage to win the lottery. EVEN then the pick swap doesn't kill us because Philly is likely to have the worst record in the league. In the disaster season scenario we probably still end up with a worse pick than Philly. In winning the lottery scenario, we end up trading down from 1st to 2nd or 3rd.

The only scenario that could really hurt us is if Philly manages to make the playoffs in the next two years. I'd be willing to bet that doesn't happen.

[codydaze]

As for the pick swap, let's say the improbable happens and this season becomes a disaster or we somehow manage to win the lottery. EVEN then the pick swap doesn't kill us because Philly is likely to have the worst record in the league. In the disaster season scenario we probably still end up with a worse pick than Philly. In winning the lottery scenario, we end up trading down from 1st to 2nd or 3rd.

Good point. This whole pick swap thing is being blown way out of proportion. We're more likely to lose the pick to Chicago this year.

[RIPskaterdude]

I still think Philly could surprise some people this year and remember, it's much easier to win 38 games and make the playoffs in the East. If that happens (by some miracle), we're probably around 11-13 and we flip spots. Nothing to be majorly concerned about unless we win 35-37 games and get the 8 or 9th pick and have to fall back out of the lottery. I just wish we didn't include it on BOTH years. Hopefully when the full trade details are released we'll find out more...

[SacKingZZZ]

Yeah, exactly, it's the east. I do think Miami is going to be good this year so that should be one less spot I guess.

The problem with Philly is when it's time to put together a real team, or go after a surefire superstar, they have more assets than just about anyone to get it done. So in the blink of an eye that whole situation can change, but right now they make very little sense. I don't think the Noel/Okafor combo is as bad as some think though. Noel needs to become a spot shooter anyway since he's too skinny to play center full time and if he does he'll compliment Okafor fairly well.

I think the trade for the most part is what's been reported, at least I hope. They get that 18 pick if it's outside of 10 and pick swaps sandwiching it. There better not be protection on that like the Cavs pick because that will tie it up forever.

[benchmobbin02]

We don't know if there are protections on the pick swaps yet. The only thing that has been reported in is "the right to swap 2 other 1st rd picks." There could be protection and /or year limitations.

[benchmobbin02]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20150706_Deal_with_Kings_is_Sixers__latest_talent_upgrade.html

Found an article that says it is 2018 top10 protected 1st rd pick and the right to swap 2016 and 2017 1st rd picks.

S follow me here, for the 2016 pick to go to CHI it has to be pick 11-30. We will most likey be sending our 2016 1st to CHI. So no swap with Philly next year. Most likey expires.

Now the 2017 pick swap. We have DMC (his contract yr), WCS, Rudy (player option), Koufos and Beli (his contract yr) under contract and Ben and Moreland RFA. If we were winning the past 2 yrs we look to reup DMC and if not look to trade DMC for assets and rebuild. 50/50 shot Philly has built anything, so 50/50 shot we are better then them. Maybe swap.

Is there a cause that pushes the swaps out til they are used or do they expire? We don't know. But it only says 2016 and 2017 swap option. And I have looked at every existing swap pick deal that hasn't happened yet and NONE have the option to push the swap out to another year if not used. They all expire.

Now to 2018. Everyone on our team is a FA except Koufos unless we were winning and resigned the main guys and filled in with other talent to keep chasing the playoffs. Then they would get the pick. If not, we are rebuilding and it's a better shot that we keep the top ten protected pick.

So they got JT and Landry for two yrs, Staukas for 3yrs, no swap in 2016, 50% chance swap 2017 and 40% chance they get our pick in 2018.
We got the ability to sign Koufos, Beli, Casspi, cap room to sign one more vet min player and 2 overseas players. Not to bad IMO.

[City of Trees]

So now there is this. I'm insure how reliable the source but assuming it's true...Damn

@LarryCoon: Some details on Kings-SIxers trade -- Sac gives a 1st two years after sending one to Chicago, protected 1-10 in 2018 & unprotected in 2019.

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[HartfordWhalers]

So now there is this. I'm insure how reliable the source but assuming it's true...Damn

@LarryCoon: Some details on Kings-SIxers trade -- Sac gives a 1st two years after sending one to Chicago, protected 1-10 in 2018 & unprotected in 2019.

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http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Yeah, deal is official.

[mksp]

Unprotected in 2019 is

[Kings2013]

That was my main question if the swaps continued a year if we had to convey to Chicago, looks like they don't. No probs giving the Sixers swap rights the next two years

[blind prophet]

Can't worry about it now, have to win it is as simple as that.

Don't try to defend the fleecing we received either of random pick chance. Hinkie worked his magic.

But we couldn't hope to improve without garbage out. GIGO.

Let's just try to enjoy next season.

[SacTown Kings]

I wasn't worried about the swaps or 2018 top ten protected but unprotected 2019?? Yikes that a bummer. Geezus I knew sauce, jt and landry were garbage but I didn't know it was that bad lol. Oh well it's 4 years from now, I'll probably be dead anyways.

[RIPskaterdude]

Wtf, there's no protection on the swaps AND unprotected pick in 2019?

[SacKingZZZ]

I wasn't worried about the swaps or 2018 top ten protected but unprotected 2019?? Yikes that a bummer. Geezus I knew sauce, jt and landry were garbage but I didn't know it was that bad lol. Oh well it's 4 years from now, I'll probably be dead anyways.

Well, if they don't win it all before then this is the kind of deal that gets the entire management staff fired. That would be right at the heart of a rebuild year with no ammo for the gun you rebuild with. I thought it was kind of funny in that Vlade interview at the practice facility when he said something about not having a first for a while or something like that.