16-17 Trade Discussion Thread *Read mod note on pg. 35*

JohnWillow · Post #1321 » by **JohnWillow** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:12 pm

Andre Roberstan wrote:https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&u=http://gamaspor.com/haber/12829/bogdanovic-sakatlandi&prev=search

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I don't speak Turkish but this doesn't look good for Bogdan.

Rolled his ankle pretty badly.

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bleeds_purple · Post #1322 » by **bleeds_purple** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:39 pm

c3j3h wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:Kanter doesn't really fit the direction of the team or the league in general. I wouldn't take him for free.

We don't have our pick in 2019 and the reality is we should be trying to win the lottery next year. We have the next two years to add talent and then it's going to be sink or swim for whatever group we put together to start the 2018-19 season. Kanter doesn't help that in any way shape or form.

Even though it's a moot point because OKC can't trade a 1st until 2022, I think you severely underestimate Kanter's impact. He's an elite rebounder and an elite scorer. He was one of the biggest reasons why OKC was able to take GSW to 7 games in the WCF last year. Kanter is a valuable NBA player even if he's a bad defender. And his contract isn't that bad either. He has 1 more year at $18 Million with a Player Option for $18.6 Million for the year after that. With guys like Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner, Bismack Biyombo, Timofey Mozgov, and Luol Deng getting contracts in that same annual range for the next 3 seasons, Kanter is a steal.

You're not taking into consideration playstyle. Empty stats guys are empty stats guys but in this case its closer to a detrimental stats guy. Rudy Gay is another prime example. If you have Gay or Kanter clogging up the middle of the floor for you and touching the ball all the time you're entire team is going to suffer even if that guy is dropping 20 a night. Vlade should be cultivating a modern lineup. Kanter doesn't fit. I want triple threat guys at the wing and guard positions and athletic bigs like WCS and Skal. Hard pass.

c3j3h · Post #1323 » by **c3j3h** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:57 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
c3j3h wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:Kanter doesn't really fit the direction of the team or the league in general. I wouldn't take him for free.

We don't have our pick in 2019 and the reality is we should be trying to win the lottery next year. We have the next two years to add talent and then it's going to be sink or swim for whatever group we put together to start the 2018-19 season. Kanter doesn't help that in any way shape or form.

Even though it's a moot point because OKC can't trade a 1st until 2022, I think you severely underestimate Kanter's impact. He's an elite rebounder and an elite scorer. He was one of the biggest reasons why OKC was able to take GSW to 7 games in the WCF last year. Kanter is a valuable NBA player even if he's a bad defender. And his contract isn't that bad either. He has 1 more year at $18 Million with a Player Option for $18.6 Million for the year after that. With guys like Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner, Bismack Biyombo, Timofey Mozgov, and Luol Deng getting contracts in that same annual range for the next 3 seasons, Kanter is a steal.

You're not taking into consideration playstyle. Empty stats guys are empty stats guys but in this case its closer to a detrimental stats guy. Rudy Gay is another prime example. If you have Gay or Kanter clogging up the middle of the floor for you and touching the ball all the time you're entire team is going to suffer even if that guy is dropping 20 a night. Vlade should be cultivating a modern lineup. Kanter doesn't fit. I want triple threat guys at the wing and guard positions and athletic bigs like WCS and Skal. Hard pass.

Man nobody is talking about building the team around him. The idea is you trade for the last year remaining on his contract in order to get a 1st Round pick. Can always flip him again. Plus he would actually fit pretty well next to a guy like Skal.

bleeds_purple · Post #1324 » by **bleeds_purple** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:33 pm

c3j3h wrote:Man nobody is talking about building the team around him. The idea is you trade for the last year remaining on his contract in order to get a 1st Round pick. Can always flip him again. Plus he would actually fit pretty well next to a guy like Skal.

Every player you add is a player you build with.

That being said, I can't see OKC giving up a first round pick to dump Kanter.

LightTheBeam · Post #1325 » by **LightTheBeam** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:41 pm

c3j3h wrote:
bleeds_purple wrote:
c3j3h wrote:

Even though it's a moot point because OKC can't trade a 1st until 2022, I think you severely underestimate Kanter's impact. He's an elite rebounder and an elite scorer. He was one of the biggest reasons why OKC was able to take GSW to 7 games in the WCF last year. Kanter is a valuable NBA player even if he's a bad defender. And his contract isn't that bad either. He has 1 more year at $18 Million with a Player Option for $18.6 Million for the year after that. With guys like Allen Crabbe, Evan Turner, Bismack Biyombo, Timofey Mozgov, and Luol Deng getting contracts in that same annual range for the next 3 seasons, Kanter is a steal.

You're not taking into consideration playstyle. Empty stats guys are empty stats guys but in this case its closer to a detrimental stats guy. Rudy Gay is another prime example. If you have Gay or Kanter clogging up the middle of the floor for you and touching the ball all the time you're entire team is going to suffer even if that guy is dropping 20 a night. Vlade should be cultivating a modern lineup. Kanter doesn't fit. I want triple threat guys at the wing and guard positions and athletic bigs like WCS and Skal. Hard pass.

Man nobody is talking about building the team around him. The idea is you trade for the last year remaining on his contract in order to get a 1st Round pick. Can always flip him again. Plus he would actually fit pretty well next to a guy like Skal.

But you were saying you would give Papa for Kanter? Now it's turned into Kanter and a 1st for free? I don't think anyone said no to that.

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Post #1326 » by **Andre Roberstan** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:18 pm

bleeds_purple wrote:
c3j3h wrote:Man nobody is talking about building the team around him. The idea is you trade for the last year remaining on his contract in order to get a 1st Round pick. Can always flip him again. Plus he would actually fit pretty well next to a guy like Skal.

Every player you add is a player you build with.

That being said, I can't see OKC giving up a first round pick to dump Kanter.

It's very, very unlikely.

My Main Man · Post #1327 » by **My Main Man** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:03 pm

Wolves fan here.

Curious as to where you all are at with WCS. I'm wondering if there is any sort of deal between us where we do a pick swap (assuming we stay put in the lottery) that would include WCS.

(#8 or #10) + WCS

for

#6 + ?????

As of now, DX has Malik Monk slotted in the #6 spot. If you think he can run the point, a line-up built around Monk and Hield plus your other draft choice seems like a great start to a rebuild.

Post #1328 » by **codydaze** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:24 pm

My Main Man wrote:Wolves fan here.

Curious as to where you all are at with WCS. I'm wondering if there is any sort of deal between us where we do a pick swap (assuming we stay put in the lottery) that would include WCS.

(#8 or #10) + WCS

for

#6 + ?????

As of now, DX has Malik Monk slotted in the #6 spot. If you think he can run the point, a line-up built around Monk and Hield plus your other draft choice seems like a great start to a rebuild.

I wouldn't trade WCS to move up for Monk. I'm personally not that high on Monk's potential as a PG, I think he'll be a great super sixth man offensive punch, so I'd only consider drafting him if he was available at our pick, but definitely not trading one of the picks and WCS to move up unless it's top 3.

SacKingZZZ · Post #1329 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:33 pm

I highly doubt the Kings move Willie and I would doubt even more they'd give up a pick in doing so unless they were getting an all star now and we're trying to circumvent the rebuild process.

Post #1330 » by **KF10** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:02 pm

I don't like the idea of using Willie to move up in the draft.

Just keep it simple:

The Kings keep their 2 lotto picks and use them for themselves.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #1331 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:04 pm

KF10 wrote:I don't like the idea of using Willie to move up in the draft.

Just keep it simple:

The Kings keep their 2 lotto picks and use them for themselves.

100% agreement

Post #1332 » by **City of Trees** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:08 pm

Id be so angry if they used Willie to move up.

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Silver Man · Post #1333 » by **Silver Man** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:21 pm

City of Trees wrote:Id be so angry if they used Willie to move up.

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Agreed.

There's no players in this draft worthy of moving from 8 to 6 while giving up WCS to do so.

SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #1334 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:33 pm

Unless we are targeting someone specific higher up ( I like Fox, but I would not trade up for him ), no need to trade up. 4-10 are pretty much a wash in terms of prospects

RipCity71252 · Post #1335 » by **RipCity71252** » Wed May 3, 2017 10:33 pm

How would you guys feel about this package if Smith Jr / Ntilikina don't fall:

#15 + #20 + Aminu

for

#10 + #34 + Tolliver

Post #1336 » by **GimmeDat** » Sun May 7, 2017 1:27 pm

Here's another offer - 16/Portis/38 for 10.

Post #1337 » by **City of Trees** » Sun May 7, 2017 5:29 pm

RipCity71252 wrote:How would you guys feel about this package if Smith Jr / Ntilikina don't fall:

#15 + #20 + Aminu

for

#10 + #34 + Tolliver

15/20/Harkless

For

10/34/Afflalo

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SactownHrtBrks8 · Post #1338 » by **SactownHrtBrks8** » Sun May 7, 2017 6:45 pm

City of Trees wrote:
RipCity71252 wrote:How would you guys feel about this package if Smith Jr / Ntilikina don't fall:

#15 + #20 + Aminu

for

#10 + #34 + Tolliver

15/20/Harkless

For

10/34/Afflalo

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I am not really looking to trade back. Is Harmless a starting caliber SF?

DusterBuster · Post #1339 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun May 7, 2017 6:52 pm

City of Trees wrote:
RipCity71252 wrote:How would you guys feel about this package if Smith Jr / Ntilikina don't fall:

#15 + #20 + Aminu

for

#10 + #34 + Tolliver

15/20/Harkless

For

10/34/Afflalo

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Good lord these trades are awful for simply trying to move up 5 spots.

Post #1340 » by **City of Trees** » Sun May 7, 2017 7:06 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
City of Trees wrote:
RipCity71252 wrote:How would you guys feel about this package if Smith Jr / Ntilikina don't fall:

#15 + #20 + Aminu

for

#10 + #34 + Tolliver

15/20/Harkless

For

10/34/Afflalo

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Good lord these trades are awful for simply trying to move up 5 spots.

Not really look at last draft:

8

For

13, Bogdonavic*, 28

*value at 16-20 last draft so let's call it 18. ... so I see it as 8 for 13, 18, and 28.

Maybe another version that could work with Portland is 10 for 15, Harkless, 26... however I'd probably just stay at 10 if this was the trade.

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